the best smiles are the ones you lead to
Written by: Stone
I think you have milked the Auschwitz and Belsen examples for as long as possible. Perhaps, you could ask what it is that the Jews are doing, that causes all this animosity towards them.
kyrian: I've felt your finger connect with me many times
lou kitten: sneaky little meatball..
ezz: please corrupt me more
Written by: Gremlin_Lou
Seriously, you people really need to go and live in Israel. If the Welsh constantly ran acorss the border into UK and blew themselves up, i'm pretty sure England would build a fairly big fence after a while!
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
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"Last of The Lancers"
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Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
Written by: stone
Now it may seem unfair to ask this question given the Nazi holocaust, but when history keeps repeating itself, there may be another explanation. I know some of the reasons I learn at school. But I'd like to know more - “Who are the Jew being that gets everybody offside with them? And what could they do, or who would they have to be to bring peace back to the world?"
kyrian: I've felt your finger connect with me many times
lou kitten: sneaky little meatball..
ezz: please corrupt me more
Written by: Stone
Certainly Lightning. I think that if I was faced with a situation where I was treated with intolerance, arrogance, a lack of compassion as well as being considered something less than human; then I could see how the use of rockets could be an option of last resort.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: stone
Now it may seem unfair to ask this question given the Nazi holocaust, but when history keeps repeating itself, there may be another explanation. I know some of the reasons I learn at school. But I'd like to know more - “Who are the Jew being that gets everybody offside with them? And what could they do, or who would they have to be to bring peace back to the world?"
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: Doc LightningWritten by: jeff(fake)
I would have thought that you would get my philosophy even vaguely right, Doc, rather than forming strawmen . I have never espoused pacifism. My point has always been that the actions by Israel in Lebanon were unneccasery, counter-productive to the security of Israel, and excessively destructive.
Your alternatives were prisoner exchange...and I forget what else. I explained why prisoner exchange wouldn't work. What was the other again? I'm sure I patiently explained why that wouldn't work, either.
So...suppose Hezbollah starts firing rockets again now that there's a cease-fire (which will undoubtedly mean that they can move new personnel and materiel into place). THEN would you be OK with Israel defending itself?
At what point, in your world view, would Israel have the right to shoot back?
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
Written by: FireTom
Jeff: would you then please leave it up to OWD? :P
Written by: Firetom
You find me confused, as you implicate that Hizbullah demanded only the lebanese prisoners to be exchanged by Israel. This is a VERY unusual behaviour and I doubt that this information given is correct.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Written by: jeff(fake)
My other proposal was more or less identical to the current UN plan (+plus some obvious sarcasm), Israeli withdrawal and UN peacekeepers. So far THAT seems to be working.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: jeff(fake)
I have every confidence that a peacekeeping force will be able to defuse the situation, however the massive popularity boost that Israel has given Hezbollah will be hard to counter. Perhaps a few massive donations to the rebuilding fund would help reduce the feelings of ill will felt by the recently homeless in Lebanon.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: Doc LightningWritten by: jeff(fake)
My other proposal was more or less identical to the current UN plan (+plus some obvious sarcasm), Israeli withdrawal and UN peacekeepers. So far THAT seems to be working.
It IS working. What, exactly, was Israel to do during the two weeks that it took for that to be implemented?
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You don't want to give money. The money that went to the victims of the Pakistan quake got diverted to the recent attempt to blow up the planes from England.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Written by: fireNiceWritten by: Stone
I think you have milked the Auschwitz and Belsen examples for as long as possible. Perhaps, you could ask what it is that the Jews are doing, that causes all this animosity towards them.
do you not see the bigotry in this statement?
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
Written by: jeff(fake)
So what do you do when your soldiers are kidnapped? They could have called on the Lebanese government, called on the UN, or even engage in military action against Hezbollah (in a proportionate and humanitarian manner, targeting only Hezbollah military positions, instead of bombing southern Lebanon flat).
Written by:Written by: ]You don't want to give money. The money that went to the victims of the Pakistan quake got diverted to the recent attempt to blow up the planes from England.[/quote
I'm curious where that information comes from.
The New York Times and the BBC. I'm not going to chase after the articles because you apparently aren't reading the news.-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: Stone
No fireNice, I don’t think the Holocaust gives people immunity, or permission to commit genocide against other races.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: Stone
I don’t think the Holocaust gives people immunity, or permission to commit genocide against other races.
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They could have called on the Lebanese government, called on the UN, or even engage in military action against Hezbollah (in a proportionate and humanitarian manner, targeting only Hezbollah military positions, instead of bombing southern Lebanon flat).
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Nietzsche
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Nietzsche
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: RAVI NESSMAN, Associated Press Writer Wed Aug 16
JERUSALEM -
Israel's defense minister appointed a former army chief of staff on Wednesday to investigate the military's handling of the 34-day war in Lebanon as public criticism intensified that the offensive was poorly planned, unsuccessful and not worth its cost in human lives.
The formation of the committee fell well short of meeting demands for an independent, in-depth probe of both the government and the military, and analysts said it marked only the beginning of what promised to be a lengthy string of investigations.
Meanwhile, Israel's current army chief, Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz, came under deep pressure to resign because of revelations he found time to call his broker and sell off his stocks to avoid wartime losses hours before launching Israel's largest military operation since 1982.
With Israelis banding together during the war, approval ratings soared for Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Defense Minister Amir Peretz, men with little military experience who took office just two months before the fighting started. Polls Wednesday showed a collapse in their popularity as Israelis began criticizing the conduct of the war.
Support for Olmert fell from 78 percent during the fighting to 40 percent in a poll of 500 people published by TNS-Teleseker. Peretz's approval rating plunged from 61 percent to 28 percent, according to the poll, which had a margin of error of 4.4 percentage points.
Other reservists sent to Lebanon complained they lacked essential equipment and said the army was disorganized and often gave them conflicting and confusing orders.
Media reports said the war cost the Israeli economy $3 billion in damages and lost revenue, though the government said it was too early to assess the full damage.
A poll Wednesday by the Dahaf Research Institute showed 70 percent of Israelis opposed a cease-fire that did not bring the soldiers back, and 69 percent backed an official inquiry into the war's prosecution. The poll had a margin of error of 4.5 percentage points.
Halutz also faced heat for his wartime decisions. But much of the criticism Wednesday focused on his stock transactions, which were called insensitive and arrogant.
Halutz has acknowledged selling about $28,000 worth of stocks at noon on July 12, three hours after the Hezbollah raid that touched off the war.
Politicians and military commanders called for Halutz' resignation.
"This is something that makes you wonder if there is some very problematic chemistry with this person. How, in the middle of everything, could you suddenly think about your bank account? It doesn't make sense to me," dovish politician Ran Cohen, who is a reserve colonel in the paratroopers, told Israel's Channel 10 TV.
Halutz expressed no regret over the sale, saying he has finances to manage like any other Israeli. "They've turned me into Shylock," he told the Yediot Ahronot daily, referring to Shakespeare's despised Jewish "Merchant of Venice."
Written by: FireTom
sorry guys
I TRY TO MAKE MY VOICE HEARD, BUT I KEEP ON ENdING UP, FEELING LIKE A TURD.