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The Ministry of Manipulation
Location: Bristol
Member Since: 8th Nov 2001
Total posts: 2523
New poll,
"Should saddam be removed at any cost?"
At the time of writing we got 93 votes.
and 20 of you said yes, saddam should be removed at any cost.

You 20 people, are you crazy, or are you not thinking.

at ANY cost.

In war cost is not measured in dollers its measured in life.
human life.

Count the lives of your friends and family as the first to end. Then your own...
Has it got too expensive for you yet.


[ 07. February 2003, 23:31: Message edited by: glass ]

Trippie Hippie
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Location: Bewildered state of nothingnes...
Member Since: 18th May 2002
Total posts: 733
Posted:I voted yes.........but as SOON as i did it, i realised that i wasn't thinking properly about the question that had been put to me.
But i couldn't change my answer after that.
"AT ANY COST".......i don't think so. He needs removing but not at "ANY COST".
So you can scrub my vote out of the equation.
So i think that makes it 19 who voted yes....Wheather they ment to or not.
Taking it easy

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Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Member Since: 28th May 2001
Total posts: 13920
Posted:I think he should be removed. Self-determination be damned. Those people have no self-determination. That's what dictators do; they make it almost impossible to overthrow them.

Having said that, ANY cost? Nuclear war?

No, some costs are too big to pay for that goal.

-Mike )'(
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"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura


big and good and broken
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay
Member Since: 29th Aug 2002
Total posts: 7330
Posted:the poll question was somewhat loaded i felt.
maybe it should have had more options like
'should sadam be removed... 1. at any cost, 2. by force, 3. not at all' and so on.

i'm wholly against a war not supported by the un which is why i'll be protesting on saturday week.
however, if the inspectors do find evidence against sadam, i'd like to hear all the hopper's suggestions of workable alternatives to removing him without a war...?

i'm currently pissed about the fact that mugabe is not banned by the eu any more and has since been invited to talks in paris.
its seems like the west's foreign policy is still massively skewed - there's no evidence that sadam is more of a threat to us than mugabe yet hussein has the oil so he gets ousted first.

what gwan?

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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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Member Since: 22nd Dec 2002
Total posts: 531
Posted:I almost checked I don't know until I re-read the question.He should be removed but not if the cost was something like a nuclear war.We can only go so far before we defeat the purpose of overthrowing him.


Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:I do believe he should be removed at any cost. Even if that cost is not removing him, he should be removed.

Even if the cost is so great that it's clearly not worth it, I'm certain it's worth it.

Even if it means that we allow him to become the President of America and systematically execute every American in any way he choses, I think it's worth it.

Even if it means that he gets to rule the world in infinite power and we all must bow down to him while burning flags and constitutions of our own country and tatooing "I love Sadam" on our foreheads, I think it's worth it if he gives up his title of leader of Iraq.

Especially if my tax dollars get to pay for it all.

Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]

Raymund Phule (Fireproof)
Raymund Phule (Fireproof)

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Location: San Diego California
Member Since: 31st Dec 2001
Total posts: 2905
Posted:I check no. I dont care if I die, but I know that my death will hurt the people that I love and that love me. I dont want to hurt Rozi, I love her so much. If we could do it in a way that would keep everyone alive then I am all for it.

Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"

Location: Nova Scotia, Canada.
Member Since: 8th Nov 2002
Total posts: 1591
Posted:I hope there is some good material for good war movies if there is a way.


Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:Oh snap... good call. I didn't think about all the cool war movies they'd be making. Hrm... Do I smell PS2 game?

Wait, can I change my vote? I'm for the war!

Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Member Since: 11th Jan 2002
Total posts: 2996
Posted:Hey guys, I could find that really cold and offensive. I choose not to, so no need to apologise. But seriously, not good in context.

Used to be a big fan of war movies. I could sit there and be sarcastic about the Americans, or the English, point out the stereotypes, predict who the first person would be to die and secretly be affected by the contrived noble gestures etc etc. Then I would walk away to my quiet little peaceful lucky life and get on with it.

Can't do that any more. I watched Black Hawk Down with a friend of mine, and sat petrified on the sofa for the duration. It is all a little close to home right now, and not just because of Ray, but because it may happen right now.

BTW, I do think the poll was loaded, the issue is far more complicated than yes or no. It would give an unfair and oversimplified picture of the range of views held by people on this board.

Additional note: Hooray for the Aussie government who passed a motion of no confidence in John Howard for his handling of the despatch of troops to the middle east without consulting either parliament or the Australian people.

It was a day for screaming at inanimate objects.

What this calls for is a special mix of psychology and extreme violence...


Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Berlin
Member Since: 25th Sep 2002
Total posts: 2617
Posted:No and it's gunna be hard to say what a high or low cost is cause when(if, sorry) they go in the cost of removing him won't be felt by the same people who might be affected if he stays in, has weapons and they get used by terrorists. Them or us seems to be the theme of the day. I know there's more to it but it's been dicussed a hundred times.

I live in a world of infinite possibilities.

SmallBoy - x
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: London
Member Since: 29th May 2002
Total posts: 2737
Posted:(*Please scroll past this post, it's largely just a rant going over some shit most people are already thinking*)

It feels like it's cost this country its democracy already, but then maybe it's just emphasising the fact that this country's leaders don't care about the majority of public opinion any more and that once we vote for one of the 3 parties we no longer have a say.
Democracy is now just a facade to appease the masses, and it wouldn't work out even if there was a responsible bunch out there that had our interests at heart rather than just trying to win the next election.

On the other side, I suppose Iraq is currently a dangerous melting point. You have a leader that's been known to order massacres of his own people, and has weapons of mass destruction.....no wait...sorry can't prove that he hasn't got weapons of mass destruction (Good old innocent til proven guilty eh?), and a lot of religious extremists pissed off with us having all the power and wealth to boot (Like no-one saw this coming round again).....so to protect our families we're going to take away their power to challenge us.....which is apparently fair, just and democratic.....

Although Mugabes handling of Zimbabwe is obviously completely different.....I'm personally not sure how, but politicans have a much better grip on reality don't they???.....I mean we vote these people in and out of power don't we????....I mean these people who have enough time/wealth to be able to help run the country/petition good causes/spend half their lives in hotels must spend their free time going round trying to understand life, how people tick, how poor some peoples conditions are, how fucked up health and education is, how people can afford to live when they haven't had a pay rise in line with inflation in 20 years etc etc etc....I mean these are the people we're putting our future in the hands of.....they MUST know what they're talking about right???

Korea is also different no?, I mean nuclear reactors coming online willy-nilly isn't an excuse for a war is it?
Nuclear power is totally safe even in the hands of the people you fear most right?
Weapons rumoured to be kicking about are being hidden right? therefore they've got a much more sinister purpose in mind than the nuke power reactor which the US says wont produce hardly any power, to a country that doesn't have a particular shortage at the moment.....right?

(*Pauses to bang head against wall*)

OK, so my information may be outdated, ill-informed, and complete bollocks for all I know. I may just be acting completely stupidly, arrogantly, or whatever but my information is only fed through the media, which in turn is fed through a whole bunch of people who are ALL biased, and attempting to win support for their war. Maybe it's because I've been fed some much bullshit by these people that I know what it tastes like.......maybe I'm dreaming this whole experience and I'll wake up next to a cute blond chick who's rolling me a smoke......who cares.

We rant and bitch about it, but it's in the hands of a group of dictators and power hungry dick heads who don't seem to have a mind of their own............and some guys in Iraq........

It's cost us money
It's cost us time
It's cost us our faith in our leaders
It's cost our leaders the moral high ground that they were so eager to protect
It's currently costing me stress and my sanity
It'll cost us loved ones, far more money and the lives of many innocents (Including ours if they really do have nukes/bio-weapons)

It's cost too much already so obviously I'm going with a no on this one too......(*Slides it back on topic nicely*)

Small Lardy Person In Disguise

Location: Somerset
Member Since: 28th Dec 2002
Total posts: 18
Posted:maybe George W Bush should be removed at any course, as an undemocratic leader, warmonger, exspansionist and a country that harbours 'weapons of mass destruction', make love not war as they say

Location: Somerset
Member Since: 28th Dec 2002
Total posts: 18
Posted:maybe George W Bush should be removed at any cost, as an undemocratic leader, warmonger, exspansionist and a country that harbours 'weapons of mass destruction', make love not war as they say


Member Since: 25th Feb 2002
Total posts: 420
Posted:Personally (as I e-mailed Malcolm last night) I thought this weeks poll sucked.
I see no relevance to HoP whether "Sadam should be removed at all costs", not that all the polls have a relevance to HoP, but at least if they have no relevance, they are fun.
There are already raging debates about this (seems to mainly be Raymund vs rest of HoP tho) on HoP, so do we really need this poll?
I come to HoP for a bit of respite from this stuff, and to see what's happening in the spinners world, not to have a mis-spelt, loaded question poll about current political situations.

Location: Southampton
Member Since: 2nd Dec 2001
Total posts: 382
Posted:I think that people ought to remember that Saddam is not at the root of the trouble here, merely the face of it. The UN had the capability to take Saddam from power at the end of the last gulf war, but decided not to as they were far more worried about the extremist military leaders poised to take his place, people who offered a far greater threat to our future.

Also, let's not forget that it was the US all those years ago who helped get Saddam into power, and if he had kept his promise of good oil relations this whole madness wouldn't be going on right now.

This war is what must be stopped at all costs.

A conspiracy of silence speaks louder than words...


Location: Florida
Member Since: 20th May 2002
Total posts: 1463
Posted:I think the poll was great! It made me think. Going about my silly day and suddenly BOOM! The here and now.

Drew... Read the book it will give you insight into many things never thought. Also did those 20 unexpected answers make you think? Obviously they did as you came to social to post about it.

To all: loaded or not loaded I dont understand why such large fuss... Its a poll, if you take it seriously then good, you are living in the world, the one here right now...

If we choose to only see what we want to see when we want to see it then we arent really seeing all that is are we?

love and hugs,

tolerance and acceptance allow life together otherwise the war that I always speak of within ourselves is never 'won'

i guess the battle continues to the end of days (not a pun)...



The Ministry of Manipulation
Location: Bristol
Member Since: 8th Nov 2001
Total posts: 2523
Posted:err, finally just got what Knoxious is talking about. ooops. good point. {better go edit - 2 d's doh, I never could spell either.}

smallboy, good rant.

1/2 now million predicted for march in london in 2 weeks


Oolering Man
Location: Farnborough, Hampshire
Member Since: 12th Jan 2002
Total posts: 729
Posted:I'm with Knoxious on this one.

but just by not talking about it doesn't mean it wont happen.......

catch 22

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