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Posted: Definitive List:::: http://lab.firestaff.net



L.A.B. Reports.



A scientific exploration of the possible patterns created by the gestural and physical manipulation and activation of dual stiff linear props, with emphasis (added) in this report as to the connectional patterns.



Experiment 01 - HQ 100mb



Experiment 01 - MQ 50mb





Addendum 1a



A brief exploration of the clash between desired movement and it's actualisation and bridging the gap through the use of non-reflective mental states.



Addendum-Sequence 1-MPEG-4 800Kbps.mp4 ~20mb





L.A.B. 02 - Complete and Utter...



The reinstatment of post-modern irony into a normal everyday actualisation of curiosity in the realm of exploratory objectorial manipulative beliefs.



lab 02 - 90mb.



lab 02 - medium - 45mb.



L.A.B. 03 - IN LEEDS



Me n'Strugz went to leeds and met Chronos, and had a whale of a good hardcore contact time.

One of the most enjoyable videos I've made. Hope you enjoy! I did...



LAB 03: IN LEEDS (large) ~100mb



LAB 03: IN LEEDS (small) ~25mb





L.A.B. APPENDIX 3A - MC-PO-SEPH



me and mostly dave spinning in our lunchtimes. Dave has a unique style amougst unque styles, which he doesn't show much in this video, instead just concentrates on new and hardcore doubles.



MC-PO-SEPH - 43mb



L.A.B. 04 - UBER UNWRAPPED



Uber Europe! This is a video of a super diverse range of staff, from hard hard throws, dual fishtails, doubles contact, fei-cha and uber single staff contact and spinning. As well as a little bit of sillyness and negative space. I'll write a little more later... when i have screenshots... biggrin



L.A.B. 04 - UBER UNWRAPPED (large) ~100mb



L.A.B. 04 - UBER UNWRAPPED (small) ~40mb





L.A.B. 05 - Church of Staff



Leeds too! me, chronos, t&b and sandy, in leeds, lots and lots of contact and some doubles.



L.A.B. 05 - Teaser (small) ~16mb



L.A.B. 05 - Church of Staff (large) ~220mb





L.A.B. 05.1 .2 .v and . [Meg Minus Hair]



All Doubles.

Section 1: Anti-spin

Section 2: Spin

Section 3: Contact

Section 4: Freestyle



LAB 05.1 126mb



LAB 05.1 small - 36mb





LAB 06. WoW



Me n'Simian. Happily Mostly Simian doing stuff that I still don't quite understand after having watched it like ten times during editing. g'damn.



Enjoy:



LAB 06 - Wow ~40mb.





THE LAB



this is what I call geeky. A staff video without any people or actual footage whatsoever. Just animated staffs. One size fits all.



THE LAB ~47mb



google:



http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=1183563926305758390





L.A.B. 06.%



Poi in the Park, 2006 Birthday party. What it was like for me.



Lots of poi in this one. Like what?



http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6205197087321942253



download link to follow. (thou google lets you download.)





Recently I've been mostly watching anime....



http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4061169031942253106



dl: http://videos.tepookatoys.com/media/lab/cowboyfishbop.wmv





L.A.B. 00 - ROUTINE



It's retarded meg occassionally in the first one, and mostly stagefright-meg in the second.



http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2122116747381067643



dl: http://videos.tepookatoys.com/media/lab/lab00.wmv





L.A.B. 07 - Meg talks to herself.



doubles, singles and some other props....



http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-3196487358216134432



dl: http://videos.tepookatoys.com/media/lab/lab07.wmv





LAB 08, part 1, Aidan @ Winter with MCP



dl: aidan / ado-p

gootube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Uwub_Mxzu7g



yup, a whole video dedicated to the irish iron fist!



I thought afterwards that maybe the song is a little cheeky, but the boy is a good dancer, and I wouldn't make an entire video of him, if I didn't like his style.

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"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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Posted:
ubblol

biatch biggrin


"...We don't stop playing because we get old, we get old because we stop playing......."

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Posted:this is me slapping you with a salmon:
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"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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Posted:Strugz.. I remember our talk.. but I also did atleast 3 freespins in the firearea in EJC. And liked it. Crazy huh?

Sorry to bringing this thread back to constructive critisism..

The top poi spinners got their [censored] clean. Take Ronan for example. His doing it for fun but his style is sooo clean. And I love watching him play. But the top contact staffers look like me with poi.. I think there's something wrong there..

I guess I just don't look at videos or people spinning for tricks anymore. I get more inspiration from good style than just some tricks that I don't know. That's why I go to see circus and danceshows. But yeah.. that goes more again to the performance aspect..


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Posted:hehe - i know dude i was watching.....

well just for you antti - strugz & staffs 3 is going to be nothing but super clean perfectly excecuted contact staff....... check back here in a year or so wink

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Posted:No no no... I want you to abuse MY style more antti... then if ya what... I can critisise yours. (Not that I would enjoy such a prospec... oh no wait... wink )

I'll try and make a 'routine' video this weekend that you can destroy if ya want antti... hug


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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Posted:Be careful Antii, She's off on one... Her 'Routine' may involve spandex...

"I used to want to change the world, now I just wanna leave the room with a little dignity..." - Lotus Weinstock

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Posted:no, I meant of the routine I did at play, SF, vienna, and bits of the BrJC one from last year.
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for you neon.

I also found out how to convert videos to flv format in linux, so I converted all my tutorials and after I link em all in my website people will be able to stream my videos! No more complaints due to video codecs! whoop! I may even make a flv based tricks (YEAH TRICKS! tongue ) blog... biggrin


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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Posted:meg bring a hard drive of some sort to my house........ you can steal all the footage from play then.......

or did i go against the way of the slackness and already send it to you ?

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Posted:You did indeed betray the way of slack and gave me a DVD at leeds one. But you're forgiven becuase you were too slack to remember you did it. wink

"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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Posted:Ok.. now that I abused the top contact staffers I can concentrate on YOU.. Whaha.. You look like Arashi taught you contact staff.

No.. really.. let's say you really wasn't the weakest link on your video.. And I truly am trying to be constructive not destructive. Besides your choise of music.


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Posted:Argh! I'll make the routine, cutting between various times I did, to try and get at what I wanted the routine to be... and then you can criticize it antti. I'll pm you criticism of your routine as an example. Though some of my criticism will be personal taste. But I think finding out what different people prefer when it comes to contact is also interesting.

"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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Posted: Written by: The Antti


You look like Arashi taught you contact staff.





Now thats an insult! Go Antti! biggrin

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Posted:Arashi is actually pretty good at contact. It's hella sickening.

"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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Posted:Ok.. I'll send you my criticism of my routine to you also.. No mercy

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Posted:No you should post it.

Peter Brooke from the book "The Empty Space" on the role of critics in theatre:

"When the man in the street goes to the theatre he can claim just to serve his own pleasure. When a critic goes to a play, he can say he is just serving the man on the street, but it is not accurate. He is not just a tipster. A critic has a far more important role, an essential one, in fact, for an art without critics would be constantly menaced by far greater dangers.

For instance, a critic is always serving the theatre when he is hounding out incompetence. If he spends most of his time grumbling, he is almost always right. The appalling difficulty of making theatre must be accepted: it is, or would be, if truly practised, perhaps the hardest medium of all: it is merciless, there is no room for error, or for waste. A novel can survive the reader who skips pages, or entire chapters; the audience, apt to change from pleasure to boredom in a wink can be lost, irrevocably. Two hours is a short time and an eternity: to use two hours of public time is a fine art. Yet this art with its frightening exigencies is served largely by casual labour. In a deadly vacuum there are few places where we can properly learn the arts of the theatre - so we drop in on the theatre offering love instead of science. This is what the unfortunate critic is nightly called to judge.

Incompetence is the vice, the condition and the tragedy of the world's theatre on any level: for every good light comedy or musical or political revue or verse play or classic that we see there are scores of others that most of the time are betrayed by a lack of elementary skills. The techniques of staging, designing, speaking, walking across a stage, sitting - even listening - just aren't sufficiently known; compare the little it takes - except luck - to get work in many of the theatres of the world with the minimum level of skill demanded say in piano playing: think of how many thousands of music teachers in thousands of small cities can play all the notes of the most difficult passages of Liszt or sight-read Scriabin. Compared with the simple ability of musicians most of our work is at amateur level most of the time. A critic will see far more incompetence in his theatregoing.... Fortunately, the critic does tend to notice and in this sense, his angriest reaction is valuable - it is a call for competence. This is a vital function, but he has still another one. He is a pathmaker.

The critic joins in the deadly game when he does not accept this responsibility, when he belittles his own importance. A critic is usually a sincere and decent man acutely aware of the human aspects of his job... Still, even if he is aware of his power of destruction, he underrates his power for good. When the status quo is rotten - and few critics anywhere would dispute this - the only possibility is to judge events in relation to a possible goal. This is our eventual purpose, our shared aim, and noting all the sign-posts and footprints on the way is our common task. Our relations with critics may be strained in a superficial sense: but in a deeper one the relationship is absolutely necessary: like the fish in the ocean, we need one another's devouring talents to perpetuate the sea bed's existence. However, this devouring is not nearly enough: we need to share the endeavour to rise to the surface. This is what is hard for all of us. The critic is part of the whole and whether he writes his notices fast or slow, short or long, is not really important. Has he an image of how a theatre could be in his community and is he revising this image around each experience he receives? How many critics see their job this way?

It is for this reason that the more the critic becomes an insider, the better. I see nothing good in a critic plunging into our lives, meeting actors, talking, discussing, watching, intervening. I would welcome his putting his hands on the medium and attempting to work it himself.... The criticism that theatre people make of one another is usually of devastating severity - but absolutely precise... the vital critic is the critic who has clearly formulated for himself what the theatre could be - and who is bold enough to throw this formula into jeopardy each time he participates in a theatrical event."


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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Posted:quite meg...
its nice to see an more unedited video with people just playing. i'm well into t&b's leg stuff, its what i'm into at the moment, the stops and flicks are lush, and sandys ninja breakdance is well fresh.
you guys trying the steve to side/leg roll, i've found to keep it smooth down to the foot, have your leg side on and almost paralell to the ground, with the outside of the foot facing upwards, also turn body to the r for the left leg and to the l with the right leg, lean back! knee spins can happen sometimes, i haven't got it sussed tho frown
i've also found you can crouch down and have it running down the leg in a ninja pose - this would go well into your breakdancing sandy.
cheers for another LAB you guys. and i like the music choices. smile smile


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Posted:Wouldn't putting clean routines completely defeat the whole philosophical purpose behind lab reports?

Dont let Antti's yammering sway you from your mission MCP! Keep up the good work!


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Posted:Ya ya ya... I never asked for clean routines.. (not in this thread atleast.. not yet atleast..) Just cleaner contact.. And better music.

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Posted:ubblol

well, here's my 2p:

BOTH of you have dire taste in music.

and both have lovely styles of contact.
antti doesn't play enough.
meg isn't clean enough (dirty f*ckinhippy)

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see you monday, strugz, for a play and a smoke, and a real staffers session wink


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Posted:Can see what your saying Antti but when someone stick a camera in front of you and tells you to spin you going to try afew things which aren't clean yet. Personally I have been trying to focus alot more on body movement and balance but I am not going to definend my own spinning cos I dout i could be inparshall about it.

anyhow however it looks I'm still having fun spinning and thats what really counts.

p.s. love the music Meg


Maybe I should change this too something abit nicer, humm no I still think your all Ccensoredt

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Posted:Fair point entheogen, although I don't know if LAB reports every had a firm philosopical purpose. I think me and steve came to the conclusion, pre LAB 01: "Lets just make a video of utter stupidity without any juggling props called Complete and Utter Wank." Which metamorphosised into "GAY LAB" gradually, with an intended purpose of being "a sort of double staff journal video. And then we'll be all famouse and stuff." and then descended into madness.



So in many ways the philosophical purpose of LAB is to spread ideas and chart progress, with an initially heavy influence on abstract sequences of movements some people would brand as "tricks." And to wear white coats.



So it's never been based on cleanness. Or even ability to do what we're filming. ubblol



antti: don't ask don't get. That just one of many messages that could be taken from that passage, but I think it really reflects that we need more of a critical culture here on hop, and in fire spinning in general, in order to progress the art. It's truly my belief that good critics will help us do this.



From wikipedia:



The word critic comes from the Greek kritiks - one who discerns, which itself arises from the Ancient Greek word krits, meaning a person who offers reasoned judgement or analysis, value judgement, interpretation, or observation.



bluecat: Come back to Ed! We miss yoooooouuuuu. And well, people really want the password to your computer ubblol



I don't think I'm currently going for clean. I think I'm currently going for smooth.



as for a routine video.... There might be say three in the works... but as my 'routine' i don't know if I'm allowed to use footage from play... man I ponced like I meant it on that stage! Wooeee! Whatcha say strugz....? (Can I mix it in with other footage?)



I wouldn't care if t&b had leprosy, anti-turn pirouette's to contact catch into a matrix! eek ubblove


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"the still legendary" - Kaskade

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Posted:I think I have to take my fast spinning poi comment back a bit.. you guys definitely got more tricks than 3 beat weaves.

But I do still feel like so much of the potential of a trick gets lost in not making it clean. And I would like to hear comments on the comparison between clean as possible poi playing and contact staff. I mean if someone would do contact staff as clean as Ronan does his poi.. wouldn't that be.. great?

And I know what making vids is like. I can't watch the RHD vids if I have the critical eye on. I guess I just wanted to open up more critical conversation "to progress the art".


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Posted: Written by: The Antti


I mean if someone would do contact staff as clean as Ronan does his poi.. wouldn't that be.. great?





Yep.

cool


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Posted:never actually seen ronan spin poi I don't think. I've seen eimhin, he's my standard of clean poi, doesn't dance much as far as I've seen thou.



So lab 05 isn't very clean either. How did I frickin' make another stupidly long video? <slap> I guess that what comes of video taping practise sessions... redface





L.A.B. 05.1 .2 .v and . [Meg Minus Hair]



All Doubles.

Section 1: Anti-spin

Section 2: Spin

Section 3: Contact

Section 4: Freestyle



LAB 05.1 126mb



LAB 05.1 small - 36mb


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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Posted:Eimhin is starting to move loads more... and it looks awesome...

Ronan is the uber-poi-meister... lovely flow, ridiculously clean, and technical.


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Posted:I made a video of him the other night. Rubbish... he spins like a girl wink

Can I still use that ftp account meg?

I'll upload some low quality unedited sitting room spinning.

Lab 5.1 is cool, I like your head smile


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Posted:yeah, just check the email I sent you for details...

They doubled my bandwidth... so now I use 1% of the 2 terabytes per month they give me, instead of 2% ubblol


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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Posted:right feedback, i like it, now onto some real feedback

first sequence is nice but the parallel stuff is messy cos your speeding up your bottem arm to go from anti to parallel

the butterfly stuff in the second sequence looks sloppy as the path of the ends dont overlap i think it would look much nicer with an off center grip

diagonal butterfly looks like your doing it with crud planes could look nice on fire tis hard to say, without fire i think you have to do it in a perfect X

stickies behind the head and back looks odd with long sticks

turning behind the back butterfly antispin - looks awkward cos your leaning backwards maybe if you where transitioning from front to back it wouldnt look so awkward

i like the something involving bad anti spin and what it might evolve into particularly the swapping which side its on

the move for noel is TOTALLY gay ..... on a scale of one to gay elton john would look at it and go, "oooOOoooh crickey thats mighty gay now isnt it" then sip a cup of tea with his little finger out

with your butterfly antispin you seem to always bend one arm which is messing up the levelness of the move

the quartered stuff would look nicer if it didnt have the stop and translate it, id much rather see it continued back in the opposite direction keeping with the rotationy feel like the head hit thing

triangles must be isocellies or they are just look like you are having a mild seizures while forgetting to fall over

watermill ... work the shoulders and pose .... and pose.... and pose and pose and pose

something spinny 2 at the start is cool except when you bring the staff back across your body it breaks plane and destroys the effect

shoulder beats are clunky i think if you have a big offcenter grip to the point that you are isolating it this will smooth it out and the ends dont trace the same path

butterfly hugs and friends is cool i have a variation ill send you, it involves slightly more contortedness

ill add more comments from after 6.20 tommorows zzzzz time for me now


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watermill ... work the shoulders and pose .... and pose.... and pose and pose and pose

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my new theory is: whatever movement you have to do to make the pattern work, exagerate it and pretend it's dance. ubblol


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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Posted:eek Is the missing hair a result from trying the move 'stickies behind the head and back' on fire?

I know I always mentioned shaving my head cause the friggen hair got in the way for contact, but I don't think I could ever really go through with it.

Dammn girl, you hardcore.

And some of those doubles antispins look really cool. I'll have to try out a couple.


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