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The BBC is looking for fire poi performers and groups based in the south of England to take part in a world record breaking performance live on primetime BBC1.
If you and/ or your group are interesting in taking part and would be available on the 22nd July 2006 contact us for more details
Email: liz.collier@bbc.co.uk
Or call 020 8 752 6623
The BBC is looking for fire poi performers and groups based in the south of England to take part in a world record breaking performance live on primetime BBC1.
If you and/ or your group are interesting in taking part and would be available on the 22nd July 2006 contact us for more details
Email: liz.collier@bbc.co.uk
Or call 020 8 752 6623
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Posted:
Definatly interested!
Could we have some more details? Location of event? Is it paid? Or would we be giving you our time for free?
Definatly interested!
Could we have some more details? Location of event? Is it paid? Or would we be giving you our time for free?
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I'll speak to the rest of Burnt toast for you guys... (in case you check this thread, it's www.burnttoast.co.uk) and see what we can do for you, that is, if they don't get here first...
I'll speak to the rest of Burnt toast for you guys... (in case you check this thread, it's www.burnttoast.co.uk) and see what we can do for you, that is, if they don't get here first...
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Posted:
Email sent.
Email sent.
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Posted:
one sent here too
one sent here too
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Posted:
I'm interested as to what this record is....
You know we're doing one at play...?
I'm interested as to what this record is....
You know we're doing one at play...?
There's too many home fires burning and not enough trees
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Posted:
Written by: BBCTV email reply
Thanks for your email. We are indeed hoping to set the world record for most poi
fire spinner at once, and it will form part of a special dance programme
broadcast live from Trafalgar Square in London on Saturday 22nd July. It will
be a unique event that will mark the culmination of a week of dance and
performance events across the country and will bring dance and performance, in
all it's forms, to a BBC1 Saturday night audience of millions.
The poi record is as yet unset and I am starting research into the feasibility
of setting this brand new Guinness world record live as part of the event. We
are hoping to find 40+ fire poi performers based in the to take part in a short
choreographed piece. Unfortunately we are not able to pay performers, but hope
that this will be a fun and reward event to be part of and will help bring the
art of poi to a large audience.
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Posted:
Thats a little wierd.............
we need more than 40 at Play then folks
Thats a little wierd.............
we need more than 40 at Play then folks
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Posted:
We'll never do it...
We'll never do it...
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Posted:
it's alright, I think we're going for different things anyway...I've just talked to her about play helping out in some way...
more later, but this sounds really interesting and I'm looking forward to it a lot
it's alright, I think we're going for different things anyway...I've just talked to her about play helping out in some way...
more later, but this sounds really interesting and I'm looking forward to it a lot
There's too many home fires burning and not enough trees
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Posted:
how cheap is that??? gotta love the way event coordinators always seem to want fire for free
how cheap is that??? gotta love the way event coordinators always seem to want fire for free
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Posted:
i agree ben
its also a bit of a shame that the bbc has planned a programme of dance performance planned, yet all they want poi performers for is to "do loads of fire at the end".
it presents poi as more of a dance gimmick than an art in its own right...
although, i shouldn't assume - maybe there will be a professional poi dance performance as part of the main programme and this mass burn will function as a finale
cole. x
i agree ben
its also a bit of a shame that the bbc has planned a programme of dance performance planned, yet all they want poi performers for is to "do loads of fire at the end".
it presents poi as more of a dance gimmick than an art in its own right...
although, i shouldn't assume - maybe there will be a professional poi dance performance as part of the main programme and this mass burn will function as a finale
cole. x
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Posted:
Otherwise they would have to pay 40+ people.
Oh wait.. how much does the BBC get in revenue every year from licence fees?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/11/lf.shtml
I'll still do it for free though...
when hell freezes over.
Otherwise they would have to pay 40+ people.
Oh wait.. how much does the BBC get in revenue every year from licence fees?
Written by: The BBC site
Last year, TV Licensing collected £2,940 million in revenue for the BBC, which is an increase of £142 million on the previous year. Of this, £80 million was due to inflation, £43 million to the above inflation increases in the licence fee and £19 million from collection improvements
https://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/11/lf.shtml
I'll still do it for free though...
when hell freezes over.
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Posted:
yeah, but Jonathan Ross gets most of that...
Talking to her, I think she is really just testing what the reaction would be like and trying to find out if they can do it. I don't think they are interested in just showing poi as a "dance gimmick" at all.
She said it was something the arts council was putting on over a whole seek, and the BBC wanted to set a new record as part of it. They want fire because it's more dramatic, but non-fire I think would be ok.
I don't want to start talking for the BBC at all - but having just talked to Liz I think they are coming from the right place and going about it in the right way.
I back them up 100%
yeah, but Jonathan Ross gets most of that...
Talking to her, I think she is really just testing what the reaction would be like and trying to find out if they can do it. I don't think they are interested in just showing poi as a "dance gimmick" at all.
She said it was something the arts council was putting on over a whole seek, and the BBC wanted to set a new record as part of it. They want fire because it's more dramatic, but non-fire I think would be ok.
I don't want to start talking for the BBC at all - but having just talked to Liz I think they are coming from the right place and going about it in the right way.
I back them up 100%
There's too many home fires burning and not enough trees
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Posted:
Only 40? There's 500 at Burning Man, spinning at the same time!
Only 40? There's 500 at Burning Man, spinning at the same time!
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Posted:
ooh this sounds fun, I might get some new handles on my fire poi and join in
ooh this sounds fun, I might get some new handles on my fire poi and join in
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Posted:
ooooo. Ace.
Gonna try and see if I can make it
ooooo. Ace.
Gonna try and see if I can make it
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Posted:
And i can bring some more people
And i can bring some more people Q:"How many Jugglers Does it take to change a light bulb?"
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Posted:
sounds lovely and i hope it goes well. However i (and lots of other Bristol people) shall be here:
[Old link]
sounds lovely and i hope it goes well. However i (and lots of other Bristol people) shall be here:
[Old link]
Gayle.....!
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Posted:
Shhhhhhhhh!!!!
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Only 40? There's 500 at Burning Man, spinning at the same time!
Shhhhhhhhh!!!!
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Posted:
there's no denying that its is a cool idea and it would have the massive advantage of presenting poi as a performace dance form rather than as a 'circus skill'.
non-fire would indeed make the most sense but somehow, i don't think this is what they are looking for...
an important consideration is that to do this with fire, all participants would need to have fully paid up pli - not to mention the safety aspects of coordinating a mass burn live on national tv.
i would love to see it happen though - especially since the trafalgar square bylaws don't permit us to spin there normally
cole. x
there's no denying that its is a cool idea and it would have the massive advantage of presenting poi as a performace dance form rather than as a 'circus skill'.
non-fire would indeed make the most sense but somehow, i don't think this is what they are looking for...
an important consideration is that to do this with fire, all participants would need to have fully paid up pli - not to mention the safety aspects of coordinating a mass burn live on national tv.
i would love to see it happen though - especially since the trafalgar square bylaws don't permit us to spin there normally
cole. x
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Posted:
now i am confussed, so they set the record, then go beat it again at a festival like burning man?
Written by: Neon_ShaolinWritten by: Firetramp
Only 40? There's 500 at Burning Man, spinning at the same time!
Shhhhhhhhh!!!!
now i am confussed, so they set the record, then go beat it again at a festival like burning man?
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Posted:
hold on, this is might be a stoopid idea, but why not ask the BBC if they want to come to PLAY and film a little of that. they will get a better picture of the growth of poi etc.
hold on, this is might be a stoopid idea, but why not ask the BBC if they want to come to PLAY and film a little of that. they will get a better picture of the growth of poi etc.
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Posted:
Thats exactly what I thought
Why try to get everyone to London, when we could just get the film crew to PLAY - it would be great advirtising for Dunc, the festy could get paid.
There would be guarenteed more people as part of this record and we could probably get away with people spinning that didnt have PLI.
Just as an aside, or maybe to give this idea a back-up:
Why are the BBC NOT paying? - they have massive amounts of money, im sure they will be paying all the other performers, who are taking part in this week long event - and if its going out to a Saturday night audience it must have a big budget. I say boycott the London thing (why does everything have to revolve around there - surely its alot better to get it more regional - PLAY!) and get them to shift their arses (and massive wallets) up to PLAY.
Dont let the powers rule you, let them film you on your terms - especially if theyre not paying........
Wow - I havent had a rant like that in ages!!!!!!
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or am I
Thats exactly what I thought
Why try to get everyone to London, when we could just get the film crew to PLAY - it would be great advirtising for Dunc, the festy could get paid.
There would be guarenteed more people as part of this record and we could probably get away with people spinning that didnt have PLI.
Just as an aside, or maybe to give this idea a back-up:
Why are the BBC NOT paying? - they have massive amounts of money, im sure they will be paying all the other performers, who are taking part in this week long event - and if its going out to a Saturday night audience it must have a big budget. I say boycott the London thing (why does everything have to revolve around there - surely its alot better to get it more regional - PLAY!) and get them to shift their arses (and massive wallets) up to PLAY.
Dont let the powers rule you, let them film you on your terms - especially if theyre not paying........
Wow - I havent had a rant like that in ages!!!!!!
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Posted:
sorry must say, i like the way BBCTV is reged:06.06.06 MUHAHAHAHA
sorry must say, i like the way BBCTV is reged:06.06.06 MUHAHAHAHA
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Posted:
If there's no payment involved, does every individual need insurance, or will the BBC's insurance cover it?
If there's no payment involved, does every individual need insurance, or will the BBC's insurance cover it?
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Posted:
more importantly:
BBCTV
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more importantly:
BBCTV
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BBC = NOOB!
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Posted:
1) Play IS having the BBC filming the attempt.
2) It's not the same record.
3) As I said before, they are getting a feel for what people think about it, and asking people to contact them for more info. I think they want to start talking to people about it rather then just getting a load of people to come along for free.
Why don't we all just think of this as a good thing, that will get poi on TV in a cool way, rather than slagging them off before they have started?
It would be nice if they come back to us here. I did ask about PLI, and they don't know what the situation is yet.
Has the BBC done something bad to you guys in the past? Am I missing something? I think this is a cool idea
1) Play IS having the BBC filming the attempt.
2) It's not the same record.
3) As I said before, they are getting a feel for what people think about it, and asking people to contact them for more info. I think they want to start talking to people about it rather then just getting a load of people to come along for free.
Why don't we all just think of this as a good thing, that will get poi on TV in a cool way, rather than slagging them off before they have started?
It would be nice if they come back to us here. I did ask about PLI, and they don't know what the situation is yet.
Has the BBC done something bad to you guys in the past? Am I missing something? I think this is a cool idea
There's too many home fires burning and not enough trees
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Posted:
thats cos ur a fire tramp
id say itd be worthwhile someone coordinating with the bbc on hops behalf to negotiate fuel/travel reimbursements at the very least, it seems a bit like [Old link]
Sym i agree it is a cool idea. the slightly negative reaction is simply due to the fact that large scale productions have large budgets, the ppl who work on the set get paid, the costume designers get paid, the makeup artists get paid, the cast get paid, the cleaners get paid etc etc yet they never seem to have any money for fire spinning.
"We are hoping to find 40+ fire poi performers based in the to take part in a short choreographed piece. Unfortunately we are not able to pay performers"
so im guessing its fair to say that since its choreographed its going to have some rehersals, play is play a shows a show, personally when im asked to do a highly skilled task thats not play i expect to be paid.
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I'll still do it for free though...
thats cos ur a fire tramp
id say itd be worthwhile someone coordinating with the bbc on hops behalf to negotiate fuel/travel reimbursements at the very least, it seems a bit like [Old link]
Sym i agree it is a cool idea. the slightly negative reaction is simply due to the fact that large scale productions have large budgets, the ppl who work on the set get paid, the costume designers get paid, the makeup artists get paid, the cast get paid, the cleaners get paid etc etc yet they never seem to have any money for fire spinning.
"We are hoping to find 40+ fire poi performers based in the to take part in a short choreographed piece. Unfortunately we are not able to pay performers"
so im guessing its fair to say that since its choreographed its going to have some rehersals, play is play a shows a show, personally when im asked to do a highly skilled task thats not play i expect to be paid.
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Posted:
who slagged who off?
i'm sure we all think that poi on tv is a good thing
we just don't think that a poor representation of it would be a good thing, nor would poi performers being taken advantage of, so we're trying to make sure that isn't what's happening here.
there's no inherent problem with this idea at all but it is only fair to pose the same questions to the bbc as we would anyone else who made a request like this.
however, there is often an assumption attached to circus performers in that they will perform for free because they love what they do and it seems this assumption is in full effect here...
i echo what ben just said - if you want quality performers, you have to pay for them.
a television producer should know this better than anyone.
if the request stated that the bbc had had a cool idea and was looking for people to talk to about it, that would be cool.
but it didn't, it said 'we want a 40 person, chreographed fire show - for free.'
that's just not quite cricket in my book.
cole. x
Written by: sym
Why don't we all just think of this as a good thing, that will get poi on TV in a cool way, rather than slagging them off before they have started?
who slagged who off?
i'm sure we all think that poi on tv is a good thing
we just don't think that a poor representation of it would be a good thing, nor would poi performers being taken advantage of, so we're trying to make sure that isn't what's happening here.
there's no inherent problem with this idea at all but it is only fair to pose the same questions to the bbc as we would anyone else who made a request like this.
however, there is often an assumption attached to circus performers in that they will perform for free because they love what they do and it seems this assumption is in full effect here...
i echo what ben just said - if you want quality performers, you have to pay for them.
a television producer should know this better than anyone.
if the request stated that the bbc had had a cool idea and was looking for people to talk to about it, that would be cool.
but it didn't, it said 'we want a 40 person, chreographed fire show - for free.'
that's just not quite cricket in my book.
cole. x
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Posted:
I agree with ben and cole
They can't be bothered to pay, why should i bother to show?
world record surely we've had over double that at Falmouth.
I agree with ben and cole
They can't be bothered to pay, why should i bother to show?
world record
surely we've had over double that at Falmouth. "Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
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