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Posted:The BBC is looking for fire poi performers and groups based in the south of England to take part in a world record breaking performance live on primetime BBC1.

If you and/ or your group are interesting in taking part and would be available on the 22nd July 2006 contact us for more details

Email: liz.collier@bbc.co.uk
Or call 020 8 752 6623


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Posted:Fair enough guys, I'd rather do it than worry about getting paid for a skilled job.

Play can't pay people, we're actually asking people to pay to do it, but no one has said they have a problem with it...

Does this mean that you goys wont be taking part in the attempt at play? It'd be a shame...


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Posted:This is the same time as Ashton Court Festival....

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Posted:we are all going to be at play already for reasons other than the record attempt though so it is far less of an ask.



and play are not requesting performers, nor that the burn be choreographed are they?



if a group of spinners at a convention is asked if they'd like to go for a world record while they're there, that's cool.



requesting that performers turn up to provide a free grand finale for a national tv channels' outside live broadcast is not the same thing.



besides, didn't you say that they were different records anyway - maybe that difference makes all the difference (if you see what i mean)? smile





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Posted:Yep afraid so I've emailed her anyway asking for more details as we could possilbly get they for when it gets dark. but unless there's money or some good publicity I dout i'll do it shrug

Maybe I should change this too something abit nicer, humm no I still think your all Ccensoredt

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Posted:the difference between the bbc production and play is quite simply the bbc has a huge budget whereas play doesnt, the ppl producing the bbc production are doing it cos they get paid, play is run by fireys who dont get paid but do it for the love of the art.

im sure that if play was in its 10th year of running making huge profits and performers where being asked to pay for the privilidge itd be a different kettle of fish.


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Posted: Written by: BBCTV

The BBC is looking for fire poi performers and groups based in the south of England to take part in a world record breaking performance live on primetime BBC1.





Now, you see, as many would say, a nod's as good as a wink to a blind man.

But this is not the right context for that saying so forget I wrote it.



You see, the actual world record trying to be broken is "The largest number of baby aligators down your trousers in a minute* and I believe that the spinners are needed for excitement in the background.



So in other words, it may not be a spinning world record.

Which seems a bit wierd.. umm

shrug


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Posted:Although I ranted abit - I dont think I slagged anyone off.

The crux of it for me, is that its a big, nay massive company, - the BBC, who are asking for 'performers'. It is not PLAY festival who are providing a great event for spinners, for very little money being asked. The will, im sure, be spending alot of (licence payers) money on this event - cleaners included (pertinent Ben). PLAY are risking their own and probably wont be making anything

Its great to ask what we think - I am expressing what I think:

I think, nay I know!! that they wouldnt expect anyone from the BBC, or their subcontractors, to do something for free. As Coleman said one it is a BIG problem in this business, that agents, promotors, and even the British Broadcasting company, want something for nothing - and by the looks of a relatively large number of people on here - they can get it. Well, when they can get it why would they pay for it? and when they dont pay for it how do we professional performers earn a living?

I am all for Poi and other spinning arts getting TV coverage (what real impact this has upon encouraging more people into spinning, I would question?). The BBC appears to be wanting to promote dance and the arts, well if they are wanting to encourage the arts, surely this should also mean paying the artists?

I would also question how a world record attempt, of people spinning Poi is really an 'artistic' endevour? Surely employing one of the troupes on here such as SOLAR (blatant, tongue-in-cheek plug!!!......or is it:) ) to perform one of their choreographed shows would impress the Public more than a large number of people standing in the fountains spinning Fire?!

I dont think ive ever seen a really good Fire performance on TV. Now that would really make people sit up and go

'that looks great..and theyre look really professional...with nice costumes, and you can tell theyve put 100's of hours of practice in and theyre choreographys amzing and how technical they are, whilst still creating a beautiful spectacle with such a dangerous and awe inspriing element such as Fire'! and whats more they might even say 'im glad that some of my licence fee is being spent on something as beautiful as this, which ive never seen before, and im also glad to be indirectly contributing to these artists lives' and maybe their kid would be inspired and say ' wow thats wicked I want to have a go at that and be like them' instead of going 'oh look theirs loads of hippys stood around the fountains with Fire...but look at that statue without the arms blah, blah, blah!!'

I could go on but its been said before Please read the crusty demons link http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=218780
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It really says it all

There is money out there and whilst people do it for free, we find it increasingly difficult to survive doing this job, which means eventually we have to get a different job and that doesnt really inspire me or anyone else

Rant over - sorry


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Posted:But then again...
I dont read things properly ubblol

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Posted: Written by: Play festival

We will be trying to set a new record for the biggest choreographed fire spin



http://www.playfestival.co.uk/guiness_world_record
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Oh well guys, I'm not interested in carrying on with this. I really don't see it as a problem, and you guys do shrug

I hope there are enough people who don't have a problem with it for them to put it on.

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Posted:After having read that Crusty Demons link, I have changed my mind and will never perform for free again unless the is good reason to (charity event etc).

I will gladly help out with the Play record attempt though...seeing as I will be at Play anyway. But spending money on a company that gets more money in a day, than I will recieve in my life, let alone for a Saturday night prime time TV program by one of the biggest broadcasting corporations in the world, for no financial reimbursement... thats just plain stupid.

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Posted: Written by: Sym


Oh well guys, I'm not interested in carrying on with this. I really don't see it as a problem, and you do



i guess that means this discussion is over then tongue wink

i hope you do understand the differences between what the bbc is asking for and what you guys have planned for play because they are not insignificant at all.

as firenix's post and the other thread referenced here shows, requests like those from the bbc have real negative effects on the state of the art.


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Posted:To be honest Sym this thread is the first I'd heard of any world record attempt being planned for Play. Maybe I don't pay enough attention shrug

I feel that the BBC are hoping that the lure of becoming a world record holder and the publics love of their 15mins of fame will lure people into doing this for free. Well actually it won't be free as they will have to pay their own travel costs to london and for the provision of poi and fuel by the looks of it.

Are they going to audition people first to be sure they know what they are doing with fire and poi? If not, anyone could turn up claiming to be able to spin and have a go. If they are wanting a choreographed show then they will have to audition... more travelling, more cost.

This is all above and beyond the arguement of people working for free taking the money out of the pockets of professional fire troupes.

I think the BBC are looking to get a cheap, if not free fire show all based on the "Oooooooooo look at me Mum! I'm on the Telly making a new World Record!" factor. I don't think that's really very respectful of people who train hard and work hard to make a living with Fire shows. If they want a fire show let them pay for it.


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Posted:found this http://www.bbc.co.uk/newtalent/allsorts/dancing/
this is the event as far as i can see, but i see nothing about fire spinners there. i just think there after a free bit of extra entertainment. Boycott them i say! or at least say that if its about dance to reconise poi spinners and such as as dancers too.

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Posted:not wishing to add fuel to the fire but taken from the above link:

 Written by: bbc


We're on a mission to get Britain dancing, and break a world record while we're at it. Everyone can join in on the day, but every dance needs a lead. That's where you come in.




So, still don't know what the world record is shrug

and this is gonna really get your goat:

the six dancers picked to dance along side the "professionals" get:

 Written by: bbc


The six dancers will also receive funding towards further dance training and development.





So, can somebody actually find out what they are trying to achieve.


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Posted:Just like to add a point made by my friend ZeeBoo and picked up on on this thread. I presume they will audition people (at their own expence) to make sure that evryine taking part is proficient and safe. Becuase (perish the thought!) if anything untoward were to happen (and i'm sure the vast majority of HOP-ers would make as sure as possible that nothing would), but if someone wasnt safe and had some kind of accident, on national TV - how would this promote Poi/spinning?
Us professionals are trained, have insurance and countless hours of prctaice and performance. With the best will in the world, will people who are willing to do this for free, have the same concientious approach?


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Posted:I think this is what they are doing:

http://www.artscouncil.org.uk/bigdance/
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Skully, the record is in the whats on section of the web site, and I think we put it in a news letter. It will be in the welcome pack you get on the gate as well.


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Posted:I know that if Trafalgar Square is to be booked then the GLA would require the BBC to have at least 5 million PLI but I suspect that it would also be required of each performer. I haven't seen any confirmation that the square has been reserved nor that permission has been granted by the Mayor or his authorisers for the acts which the BBC intends to show.



Lack of payment bypasses employment and therefore probably the complication of it - for the BBC at least! - but the policies of the BBC, if it is to remain as impartial and honest as it claims to be, should still have to detail and justify that very specifically. It has also involved a company - HoP - in order to approach performers which may have required a formal partnership to be negotiated in order to comply with their own rules. This may also be the case for performance organisations who accept the offer.



That's why I think this sounds as if the BBC are trying to do this on the cheap and avoiding the procedure which, while lengthy, would still be necessary, especially regarding safety. I'd be delighted to be proved wrong but it already sounds very badly researched and proposed. I'm going to make some enquiries with the BBC and other parties and report what I can learn here. It would be useful if those who have received a reply e-mail could do the same smile


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Posted:Check this out (from the link above):

"The week will climax with a weekend of special events in Trafalgar Square on Saturday 22 and Sunday 23 July. On Saturday, The Big Dance will attempt to set a world record for a piece of mass choreography with the greatest number of dance styles performed to one track of music. "

By the sounds of it, what they are asking would be a nightmare to choreograph, if we had other dancers to worry about, and obviously little space for kit.
I think a throwaway comment by part of the production teammay have sparked this (excuse the pun), without much thought atall, i mean if they havent even looked into pli yet.........


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Posted:Hmm well the world record as far as i know is held by burningman for the most choreorgraphed fire spinners. I think they limited it to 500. Very strict about auditioning proficient spinners. I span in the conclave in 2002 and i had to jump thru al sorts of hoops. Then i think 2003 they did a choreorgraphed piece with 500 spinners.

So 40 seems weird, but then i guess the official guiness person wouldn't have been at BM and the 1000 or so video cameras are just circumstantial evidence. Without 500 people at least i don't see how any claim can be made tho???

I suggest choreorgraphing the piece BEFORE the event. Some people need to decide on the piece, make it very simple, film it, get it online. Then at least most people will know it by the time they get their.

I think it's great that the beeb are into the idea. Very weird not to offer expenses tho. I really hate that kinda thing, it's quite insulting really. But that just seems to be the way poi is for some reason.

Great news that it's gonna be held at play. That rocks.

procrastination over, cup of tea 2 on it's way, then i might start work wink

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Posted: Written by: Sym

Am I missing something? I think this is a cool idea confused


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Posted:Wasn't there just a world record poi attempt in New Zealand, with real live Maori people doing poi? eek
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Posted:just poi?? no staff??!?

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Posted:Erm....this is a DANCE record and not a fire/spinning record. Poi and/or fire spinning is just a small part of the whole record so why do folks KEEP going on about it?! shrug

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Posted: Written by: Aimee's reply from the beeb

We are indeed hoping to set the world record for most poi fire spinner at once, and it will form part of a special dance programme
broadcast live from Trafalgar Square in London on Saturday 22nd July.



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Posted: Written by: ben-ja-men


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I'll still do it for free though...



thats cos ur a fire tramp kiss





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Posted:sounds like fun to me..... a little cheeky on the beebs part but fruk it. it could bring some notoriaty our way.

one q tho..
how they gonna coriograph? 40+ people....?


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Posted:Have you read the rest of this thread?
Or just read the first post then decided to reply to that? wink
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Posted:sounds kewl, i'm interested... depending on how complex the routine is tho redface cos I aint top notch ubblol

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Posted: Written by: UmbiliciformCraterOnFace


Or just read the first post then decided to reply to that? wink
ubblol



I thought that's how hop worked? wink


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Posted: Written by: mudd


it could bring some notoriaty our way.




You seem to suggest that notoriety would be a good thing confused


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