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linden rathen
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Posted:ive recently been reading somthing positive (a web comic) and they mentioned pro-ana - intrigued i did some research and found this is it just me or is this slightly wrong?



i also saw this in the philosophy section of the and it made me laugh



 Written by: plague angel



Don't believe everything you are told ... by anyone.



... question everything ...

... do your own research ...

... form your own conclusions ...



If the majority believes it, it is probably wrong.





murder is a good thing then? wink



even better is the "know thine enemy page" in which i found this quote



 Written by: plague angel



While it is true that fiber is an important part of your diet, even necessary to protect you from some diseases, carbohydrates themselves are not necessary. There are "essential" fatty acids and "essential" amino acids (from protein), however there are no known essential carbohydrates.







now i havnt done biology or food studies etc for a while but im pretty sure carbs in some form are needed...


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Patriarch917
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Posted:It was only recently that Psychiatrists changed homosexuality from a disorder. Now it is an alternative lifestyle choice. Why can't anarexia be the same?

Intentional malnutrition seems kinda weird, but so does puncturing your ears with needles so that you can hang things off of them. To each his own...


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Gnarly Cranium
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Posted: Written by: Patriarch917


It was only recently that Psychiatrists changed homosexuality from a disorder. Now it is an alternative lifestyle choice. Why can't anarexia be the same?


You're kidding right?

Homosexuality practiced for extended periods of time won't KILL YOU. It won't do permanent damage to internal organs, destroy short term memory, or make it impossible to stand up without getting dizzy. Neither will piercings. (barring any diseases of course)

Anorexia is an inherently self-destructive behavior. You look at somebody who's practicing anorexia and you're likely to think 'wow, that person looks ill'. You look at somebody who's practicing homosexuality, and, well, they probably look like they're having a pretty good time.

Homosexuality was classified as a disorder for prejudicial SOCIAL reasons, not MEDICAL ones.


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Patriarch917
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Posted:So your saying anorexia is also comparable to smoking tobacco, smoking weed, drinking alchohol, or eating at McDonalds for 30 days.

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Gnarly Cranium
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Posted:Kinda, except it's not passed off as okay, because it's not making anybody obscene amounts of money.

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Adya Miriyana
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Posted: Written by: Patriarch917



So your saying anorexia is also comparable to smoking tobacco, smoking weed, drinking alchohol, or eating at McDonalds for 30 days.



taking them to the extreme? basically.



wow. nutcases. eek promotion of pro-ana online.. to such a wide audience and range of impressionable people, i don't agree with.



i've seen some terrible anorexics.. and it breaks my heart. why anyone would choose it for the purpose of a lifestyle change is beyond me.


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Patriarch917
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Posted: Written by: Gnarly Cranium



Kinda, except it's not passed off as okay, because it's not making anybody obscene amounts of money.



Ever heard of modeling, acting, etc.? Pick up a women's magazine and ask how much money there is in starving yourself.



Being underweight is passed off as ok, and people make obscene amounts of money for being underweight and for helping others to try to acheive that goal.



Who are we to criticize her lifestyle choices? Should people have the right to be gay anarexic potsmoking McDonalds customers?


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Rouge Dragon
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Posted:Yes linden, carbs are what gives us our energy to function. at least, i'm pretty sure.

And I agreey with the smart head. homosexuality won't kill you (jealous lovers aside, but you can suffer from that in heretosexual relationships....oh wait, this is discusion, gotta top being a smartarse...) but anorexia can.

Eating disorders are severe issues and I don't think they can be placed anywhere near the same level as piercings.


i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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Adya Miriyana
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Posted:it's not for us to criticise..

but i criticise the promotion of anorexia as something different to try, a fad or lifestyle change.. it can change from a simple idea or desire into something that destroys lives


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Rouge Dragon
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Posted: Written by: Patriarch917


Ever heard of modeling, acting, etc.? Pick up a women's magazine and ask how much money there is in starving yourself.

Being underweight is passed off as ok, and people make obscene amounts of money for being underweight and for helping others to try to acheive that goal.

Who are we to criticize her lifestyle choices? Should people have the right to be gay anarexic potsmoking McDonalds customers?



There is a difference between anorexia and the models you see in magazines and the fad diets you see. I agree that fad diets arent cool, but they are still different to eating disorders. Fad diets ARE choices, but anorexia and eating disoders reach a point where they are no longer choices. They may start out as choices, but the reason they are classed as mental illness is that sufferers reach a point where they actually become scared of food and cannot physically eat even if they want to because theirbodies reject it.

and i wouldnt necessarily say being underweight is passed off as ok. I magazines and the movies we see skinny people all the time, sure. but in my experience, if a friend loses a huge amount of weight suddenly, all their friends get incredibly worried about them because it's not ok to be underweight.


i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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Phellan
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Posted:Anorexia is hardly a "life-style" choice, as in it's most destructive form an individual even weighing in at 70 lbs is completely and utterly obsessed with how fat and disgusting they look, convinced they are overweight despite the fact that they may be under 50% of what would be a normal body weight for their size and shape.

Anyone who would inform you that "carbs" are not an essential part of your diet is mis-informed, as Carbohydrates contain complex sugars, which are required for your body to function, as they fuel the energy-producing reactions that provide the necessary molecules for every other reaction in your body to proceed.

Having had an extremely anorexic friend, Pro-Ana sites IMO are extremely dangerous, as they tend to glorify excessive weightloss to the point where individuals die from starvation or cardiac issues.

While I can be supportive that in many cases what we view as abnormal or unusual is simply due to what society deems, and thus should always been taken with a grain of salt, Anorexia is one of my few exceptions -- as people suffering from it clearly have extremely distorted perceptions. (If any one would like argue this point, please. Inform me how anyone who is 5'10, 72lbs could POSSIBLY be "grossly fat and overweight".)


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Domino
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Posted:I've seen this kind of thing before. They apparently often have "thinsperational" pictures, many of which have a near pornography bent to them, which is a little conserning.

linden rathen: What S*P strip was it?


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jo_rhymes
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Posted:Sam, I think this website is sick. I've been looking at it for about half an hour already, and the views these people have are crazy.
For example:

"Eating is conforming."

"When you start to get dizzy and weak, you're almost there."

"The only time people notice a fat person is when they get in the way of that beautiful thin girl walking by."

"Only fat people are attracted to fat people. Do you want pigs to like you because you are one of them?"

"If you eat, you'll look like those disgusting, fat, ghetto and trailer-trash hookers on Jerry Springer."

I think those quotes are enough for now.
I think the website shows that anorexia is a psychological illness, because these people are not thinking clearly and are totally deluded. It makes me very sad to think there are people out there who believe adn adhere to this way of life frown


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Neon_Shaolin
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Posted:It is definitely this kind of view that distort's people's view of both themselves and other people.

I am not joking when I say that I had an eating disorder as recent as 2 years ago. And although I'm more comfortable with myself and what I eat, the scars still haven't fully gone away. In the end I realised that a personality would be more attractive to others than a six-pack. What are you gonna talk about with someone other than how many reps you did down at the gym or how few calories you have eaten today.

When people talk about 'essential fatty acids' etc, they say 'essential' to dispel the myth that ALL fats are bad for you. Perhaps they actually SHOULD talk about 'essential carbohydrates' as people know that essessive abouts of sugar can cause diabetes and depression. I'd glad I know this factoid but I'm still sad that I had to go through an eating disorder to find that out. I guess that's looking on the brightside...

As for equating anorexia with homosexuality.... I think everyone's already said that's needed to be said. I will say that gay or straight, anorexia, distorted body image and superficiality will occur in both orientations and both genders. It is damaging to you physically and mentally - in how you perceive yourself as beautiful and how you judge other people in terms of their body appearance...


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alien_oddity
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Posted:spank pro-ana websites = wrong.com !



i'm horrified at some of the stuff on these sites









if i was feeling evil i'd go and troll some of the forums, upsetting peope, but as they are clearly mentaly unstable me thinks thats not a good idea biggrin ubbangel


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jo_rhymes
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Posted:i dont think its a good idea to go and upset them. I think the best thing to do is to lead healthy happy lives, eating the right amount of healthy food, and showing that life is not about how skinny you can become, and how near to death you can get.
I think these people need to know and to realise that eating sensibly is enjoyable and doesnt make people obese.
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Hanz
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Posted:A girl I know had (maybe still has, dont see her now) anorexia... she ended up in a hospital in Melbourne, and then got transfered to another as she needed higher care.

Was going to post a few quotes one of my friends found on the pro-ana sites, but she has deleted them


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NYC
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Posted: Written by: Patriarch917


Who are we to criticize her lifestyle choices? Should people have the right to be gay anarexic potsmoking McDonalds customers?



If nobody died from anorexia you'd have a point. But since it's extremely dangerous and deadly it seems you're missing that point entirely.

If you want to argue that "If someone wants to commit suicide then we have no right to interfere with that lifestyle choice" then that's fine... but comparing it to homosexuality or fast food eating is missing just how dangerous and deadly it is.


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Hanz
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Posted:oh, and as for models in magazines... they're airbrushed!!

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Skulduggery
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Posted:I saw a documentary about some of these sites a while ago on tv. I was completely shocked at the effect the sites had on some of the girls. Some of these girls going on the sites were as young a 7.

One of the 17 year olds had realised how bad the sites were for her and checked herself into a rehab clinic for anorexia sufferers just to get herself away from them. She told the interviewer that she didn't feel safe in the outside world as she could easily access the internet and the sites would drag her back in. She realised that her addiction to the sites was fueling and part of her illness. She was about 5 stone in weight and 5 ft 8 tall. It was terrifying to see.

Some of the sites are like this one with large communities of people meeting up because of them and they swap tips on how to lose weight and how to starve themselves. Listening to the way they talked made me cry. The so clearly hated themselves and the way they looked. It was frightening and upsetting to think that these beautiful girls could hate themselves so much they were willing to starve themselves to death.

The very worst sites are the ones that encourage the members to show ever more skinny pictures of themselves. Rewarding them with praise and in some cases more, for getting thinner and thinner. The little 7 year old was showing the interviewer the pictures of girls she most admired. It turned out that one of the girls she was striving to become like had died. The little girl when told this wasn't phased at all. She said that that was the way it went sometimes and shrugged.

I can't see it as a lifestyle choice. It is an illness.


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Rouge Dragon
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Posted:There are twin girls in my hometown with severe anorexia (who are trying to raise money to go to america for treatment...oh the irony!). I saw them walking down the street once and they scared me. they couldn't walk properly because they had no muscle, and to be honest i thought they looked like skeltons (I didn't even realise they were female!)

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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Hanz
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Posted:that's because breast tissue is the same as, or similar.. or something to fat tissue. You lose weight, you lose your breasts

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Neon_Shaolin
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Posted:I've just posted something (regarding a famous pair of skinny twins) then deleted it again because it was completely inappropriate to the thread. It was an attempt to be witty but with 1-second hindsight was illjudged.

I'm confessing it because it really isn't a laughing matter and derogatory comments about someone's weight, fat or thin, eating disorder or not will be damaging to impressionable people reading it as it may creating self-loathing in many ways according to each individual person.

How bad must people - who are naturally skinny despite eating healthily and normally - feel when they face constant accusations of having an eating disorder? If they didn't have one before it's not unlikely that they'll have one afterwards...


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alien_oddity
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Posted:to all the pro ana fans....................come spend 6 months partying with me ubblol it will not only get them fit but also help lose some pounds hehe









as well as money, phones, wallets and brain cells biggrin


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Rouge Dragon
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Posted: Written by: Neon_Shaolin


How bad must people - who are naturally skinny despite eating healthily and normally - feel when they face constant accusations of having an eating disorder? If they didn't have one before it's not unlikely that they'll have one afterwards...



It's annoying. Until the semi develop one afterwards and then get in denial about it.


i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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coleman
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Posted:for pat:



anorexia nervosa is a well-defined eating disorder, not a dietry choice.



eating at mcdonalds for 30 days is still a choice - you can stop at any time and you are not doing it because you are unable to make the decision not to eat there.



if you eat mcdonalds food because it is the only thing that makes you feel good about yourself, then you have an eating disorder.



pro-ana is like trying to qualify clinical depression as a lifestyle choice - its idiotic.





unfortunately, it seems that there are still some psychiatrists who still argue that homosexuality is a disorder and lobby to have it defined as such by the (u.s.) government and continue treat it as they would other disorders.

you can peruse their theories and scoff at their desperately homophobic reasoning here: http://www.narth.com/index.html
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on a related note, both nicotine dependence and cannabis dependence are well-defined disorders - if you were unaware of the difference between recreational use of a substance and a substance-related disorder, look it up smile





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linden rathen
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Posted:for those that are interested heres the s*p strip i found this in the preceeding 3 strips consist of the story for it... its twisted and evil be warned

i suppose the arguement to a lot of this (playing devils advocate as you may of guessed i think pro ana is just slightly wrong) is that many of these people may not actually be clinically anorexic - they may litterally just want to live on the minimum possible in which case this is a choise for them.... that said i still think its a stupid choise (but then again so are my decsisions to snack....)


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Birgit
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Posted:they were talking about these websites on radio 1 a while ago... apparently a lot of their frequenters realise it's wrong but "they help them because they feel less alone".

Don't know enough to be able to say if feeling understood outweighs the stupidity of what some of the websites say.


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Flowa
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Posted:i suffered from anorexia when i was a teenager, I never got into the pro-ana sites simply because i didnt know they existed (thank god!) but what started out to be a way of losing weight quickly became an addiction, what appealed to me was having total control over something within a life which was pretty chaotic... its a really hard thing to recover from because unlike alcohol, cigarettes and drugs, you have to eat to live and you cant go cold turkey with food, its a necessity! I still have a few latent issues with food, but realising there is more to life helped me get over it. smile

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Posted:biggrin clap Well done Flowa smile
My best friend had an eating disorder when we were teenagers, she found it hard to eat in public, she felt like a fat pig. She wasnt- at all!! Myself and my other friend decided that we'd eat in front of her as often as we could, and she soon realised that we didnt care what we looked like. she still has some weird issues with food, but she's a lot more in control of her life now, instead of the disorder in control of her smile


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Posted:not sure if i have an eating disorsder but i can sometimes go a few days without eating much. i know i should eat something but i just don't feel up to it, i have a lot of resp4ect for people that overcome such things because at the end of the day its mind over body and the mind is a powerfull thing wink

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