Written by: plague angel
Don't believe everything you are told ... by anyone.
... question everything ...
... do your own research ...
... form your own conclusions ...
If the majority believes it, it is probably wrong.
Written by: plague angel
While it is true that fiber is an important part of your diet, even necessary to protect you from some diseases, carbohydrates themselves are not necessary. There are "essential" fatty acids and "essential" amino acids (from protein), however there are no known essential carbohydrates.
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"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
(G.W. Dahlquist)
Owner of Dragosani's left half
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i do however think it has roots way deeper than neoliberalism and would disagree that the reasons for its existance are largely political-economic and are rather, mainly sociocultural.
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i think you'd be hard pushed to show that it was a neoliberal capitalism system that initiated these attitudes...
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Nietzsche
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Written by: coleman
one of the reasons i have been posting here is because i and others got fed up with wayne refusing to accept that the discussion could be about anything other than the critique of one specific pro-ana website's 'central premise' and his tactics of trying to disrupt any discussion of the topic apart from that premise.
Written by: coleman
wayne seems to has stopped posting obtuse and divisive remarks and, although he still seems to avoid acceptance or even acknowledgement of a counter-argument or any direct challenge of the concepts he presents (e.g. the true importance of carbs in a diet).
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Strictly speaking, carbohydrates are not necessary for human nutrition because proteins can be converted to carbohydrates. The traditional diet of some cultures consists of very little carbohydrate[s], and these people remain relatively healthy…
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as for the religious fasting comparison, i am unaware of any religion that supports permamnent fasting.
fasting for spiritual reasons is restricted to a finite period, has a clear spiritual aim and is more often than not, connected to an ancient religious festival or rite.
choosing to live on the minimum amount of food, for as long as you can survive, for absolutely no reason other than "thin looks better" still sounds weird to me and cannot be fairly compared with religious fasting.
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I admire those who fast for Religious reasons to prove their devotion to their God but they will know that once the time to fast is over - like Ramadan (sp) they will go back to eating healthly.
The difference between this and religious fasting is…
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I think we are mean to each other because of the competition to have the best whatever.
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Nietzsche
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Capitalism and competition for resources seems to be a part of the natural order
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Nietzsche
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I think we are mean to each other because of the competition to have the best whatever.
both the idea of society as a competition between individuals as opposed to a collective effort, and the drive to have, to possess, to privatise, and to commodify are central theses of capitalism and neo-liberalism respectively.
people who live their life according to these principles are indeed generally very mean to everyone else.
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Written by: dream
until i see the squirrel stock exchange, the walrus WTO meeting and the wombat's world bank I find the idea that capitalism exists in nature to be wholly fraudulent.
Written by: dream
the conception of a natural order among humans based on a psudeo scientific survival of the fittest based social darwinism was of course a central philosophical position of European fascism in the twentieth century. Its always pleasant to be reminded where people stand.
"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
(G.W. Dahlquist)
Owner of Dragosani's left half
"God *was* my co-pilot, but then we crashed, and I had to eat him..."
Keep your dream alive
Dreamin is still how the strong survive
Shalom VeAhavah
New Hampshire has a point....
-spinnin' to the rhythm of the new world order-
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I had thought that capitalism was “an economic system based on a free market, open competition, profit motive and private ownership.”
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Nietzsche
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I had thought that capitalism was “an economic system based on a free market, open competition, profit motive and private ownership.”
you don't appear to understand what capitalism is. may i suggest either reading up about it or refraining from saying such misleading and mistaken things... does that start to sound familiar yet?
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and please... animals as capitalists... do you honestly believe animals have a form of capital (that means a monetry currency)??? The existence of capital is somewhat vital for the necessary preconditions for capitalism... same as you need racists for racism and god for thesism. If you agree that animals do not possess capital than they cannot be capitalists.
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Aww. C’mon. I didn’t refuse to accept that the discussion couldn’t be about other things, nor did I try to disrupt those discussions.
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I do not know whether other websites also make a clear distinction between the mental disease and the alternative lifestyle, but if they don’t this is hardly her fault.
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I had thought that capitalism was “an economic system based on a free market, open competition, profit motive and private ownership.”
you don't appear to understand what capitalism is. may i suggest either reading up about it or refraining from saying such misleading and mistaken things... does that start to sound familiar yet?
Pretending for a second that I had no idea what capitalism was, my response would certainly be to “read up about it.” The first place I would probably go to is the dictionary, from whence I drew that quote about what capitalism is.
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
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Pretending for a second that I had no idea what capitalism was, my response would certainly be to “read up about it.” The first place I would probably go to is the dictionary, from whence I drew that quote about what capitalism is.
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Dictionaries
Oxford English Dictionary: "The condition of possessing capital; the position of a capitalist; a system which favours the existence of capitalists."
Compact Oxford English Dictionary:
* "An economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state."
Webster's New World College Dictionary 3rd Edition:
* "The economic system in which all or most of the means of production and distribution, as land, factories, railroads, etc., are privately owned and operated for profit, originally under fully competitive conditions: it has been generally characterized by a tendency toward concentration of wealth, and, in its later phase, by the growth of great corporations, increased government control, etc."
Webster Third New International Unabridged Dictionary:
* "An economic system characterized by private or corporation ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision rather than by state control, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly in a free market."
Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary 11th Edition:
* "An economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market."
Webster Dictionary of the English Language:
* "Capitalism is an economic system in which the means of production, distribution and exchange are privately owned and operated for profit."
Riverside Webster's II New College Dictionary:
* "1. An economic system, marked by open competition in a free market, in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporated owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits. 2. A political or social system considered to be based on capitalism."
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition:
* "An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market."
The New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition:
* "An economic and political system characterized by a free market for goods and services and private control of production and consumption."
Random House Dictionary:
* "An economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, esp. as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth."
Chambers 21st Century Dictionary:
* "an economic system based on private, rather than state, ownership of businesses, factories, transport services, etc, with free competition and profit-making."
Newbury House Dictionary:
* "an economic system based on private ownership, competition, and a free market"
Cambridge Dictionary of American English:
* "an economic system based on private ownership of property and business, with the goal of making the greatest possible profits for the owners"
The Wordsmyth Educational Dictionary-Thesaurus:
* "an economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately owned, and prices are chiefly determined by open competition in a free market."
MS Encarta:
* "free-market system: an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and distribution of goods, characterized by a free competitive market and motivation by profit"
The Century Dictionary:
* "1. The state of having capital or property; possession of capital. 2. The concentration or massing of capital in the hands of a few; also, the power or influence of large or combined capital." (1909 edition)
Scott-Foresman Intermediate Dictionary: * "an economic system in which private individuals and groups of individuals own land, factories, and other means of production. They compete with one another, using the hired labor of other persons, to produce good and services for profit."
Random House School Dictionary:
* "an economic system in which land and means of production, as factories, are owned mainly by private individuals or companies rathen than by the government, and there is competition among businesses: The economic system of the U.S. is based on capitalism" (1990)
Wordsmyth Children's Dictionary:
* "an economic system in which land, factories, and other resources are owned by individuals instead of the government. In this system, goods are sold for the purpose of making money."
Allwords.com:
* "an economic system based on private, rather than state, ownership of businesses, factories, transport services, etc, with free competition and profit-making."
Investorwords.com:
* "Economic system characterized by the following: private property ownership exists; individuals and companies are allowed to compete for their own economic gain; and free market forces determine the prices of goods and services."
Online Dictionary of the Social Sciences:
* "An economic system in which capital (the goods or wealth used to produce other goods for profit) is privately owned and profit is reinvested so as to accumulate capital. The dynamics of the economic exchange in capitalism are unique. In a barter system of economic activity a producer may grow a pound of potatoes and barter them for an equivalent amount of honey produced by someone else. In this exchange the goods bartered are of roughly equal value. In capitalism, however, a person uses capital to produce goods and then sells those goods for cash. The amount of cash received is greater than the value of the good produced such that a profit is created allowing for reinvestment in the capital stock and to support the owner and producers."
Dictionary of Critical Sociology:
* "A system which separates workers from any property rights in the means by which they produce culture by their labor. The system transforms the social means of subsistence into capital on the one hand and the immediate producers into wage laborers on the other hand. Most of the time, capitalism is defined as the private ownership of the means of production but that definition does not encompass the great harm done to humanity by the system. By claiming all (or most) of the means to produce culture as private property, a small class of owners preempts material culture to their own comfort while denying the vast majority the means to subsistence as well as the means to produce ideological culture when they are not working." (A dictionary written by Robert E. Mazur of the Iowa State University Sociology Department)
Economist.com:
* "The winner, at least for now, of the battle of economic “isms”. Capitalism is a free-market system built on private ownership, in particular, the idea that owners of CAPITAL have PROPERTY RIGHTS that entitle them to earn a PROFIT as a reward for putting their capital at RISK in some form of economic activity. Opinion (and practice) differs considerably among capitalist countries about what role the state should play in the economy. But everyone agrees that, at the very least, for capitalism to work the state must be strong enough to guarantee property rights. According to Karl MARX, capitalism contains the seeds of its own destruction, but so far this has proved a more accurate description of Marx’s progeny, COMMUNISM."
Small-business-dictionary.org
* "An economic system of government in which 1) private ownership of property exists; 2) CAPITAL ownership can provide income to the owners; 3) relative freedom of competition for economic gain is permitted; 4) the profit motive is basic to economic life. Also called FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM."
Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy, ed. Simon Blackburn, 1996:
* "Mode of socio-economic organization in which a class of entrepeneurs and entrepeneurial institutions provide the capital with which businesses produce goods and services and employ workers. In return the capitalist extracts profits from the goods created. Capitalism is frequently seen as the embodiment of the market economy, and hence may result in the optimum distribution of scarce resources, with a resulting improvement for all; this optimism is countered by pointing to the opportunity for exploitation inherent in the system."
Barron's Dictionary of Finance and Investment Terms:
* "an economic system in which (1) private ownership of property exists; (2) aggregates of property or capital provide income for the individuals or firms that accumulated it and own it; (3) individuals and firms are relatively free to compete with others for their own economic gain; (4) the profit motive is basic to economic life. Among the synonyms for capitalism are LAISSEZ-FAIRE economy, private enterpreise system, and free-price system. In this context economy is interchangeable with system."
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If you are using the word “capitalism” to mean something other than what the dictionary says it is, then you have no right to complain that other people don’t understand what “capitalism” is. You are not complaining that I haven’t read a standard definition of capitalism, you’re complaining that I haven’t read the definition that exists in your mind.
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Nietzsche
Hoppers are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble remembering how to fly.
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Written by: faithinfire
i think most of the websites i posted supported the control thing
oh and one more time: why is our media so rotten and yours is beyond reproach
"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
(G.W. Dahlquist)
Owner of Dragosani's left half
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
(G.W. Dahlquist)
Owner of Dragosani's left half
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Written by: coleman
and yet even using your dictionary definition, the idea that animals operate based on capitalistic ideals still doesn't hold - for example, what exactly is an animal free market and where/how does it operate?
Written by: coleman
can you give us some examples of animal profit motives too please - and before you mention squirrels again, storing nuts has nothing to do with a profit motive
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
Written by: faithinfire
not especially, part of this thread is how media affects the way that people think
"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
(G.W. Dahlquist)
Owner of Dragosani's left half
You can only be young once but you can always be immature.
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
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