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First off, let me say that I love the site. And though I have a feeling that I will not be liked very much after this post, I'm glad to be a part of this community. Now on to the negativity.
I would very much like to comment on post after post condemning fire breathing. Here, as well as every site that I seem to visit about the fire arts, contain horrible warnings about fire breathing and it's effects as if the simple thought of the art would turn you into a HIDEOUS MONSTER FROM BEYOND DEATH AND HELL!!!!!!!!!!AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
And yet thousands of people are doing it everyday. Now, do not take me wrongly. I do agree that the art is dangerous. Kinda like stepping into a hug steel box full of hundreds of pounds of jet fuel. And then, with relative stupidity, launching that box five miles into the air just so you can get from one place to another faster. Good lord! We would never imagine doing that now would we?
Or why would we ever dream of jumping out of that box with a sheet extended over our heads, attached by a couple of strings, just to make our fall to the earth a little softer? Oh my God thats ludicrous!!!
But we do it. And we do it without constantly advising these people of the dangers of flight or parachuting. Ok...I've gotten off track here. My point is simply this. Any time you decide to play with fire for the fun of it your placing yourself at risk. PERIOD!!!
There is no imphasis on fire breathing here. The imphasis should be on lighting a fire at all. You light a camp fire and you run the risk of burning the whole forest down. Your light a grill and you run the risk of it blowing up in your face.
I've been a breather for eight years now. I've never been burned, I've never burned anybody else, I've never gotten sick from the fuel, or lost my teeth, or ended up in the hospital as a result. I make gold from fire and I'm happy!
I mean come on! Poi seems more dangerous to me. Slinging around a burning cloth on the end of a chain? Right! I invision audience members burning to death from a poi thats gotten out of hand. I refuse to stand within a hundred feet of those guys in case they miss a beat and throw that thing all over me! At least my tower burns out in a few seconds.
Look, Im not trying to make waves here. I sympathize with those who have been injured while breathing. But I feel a little hurt that the art that I love so much is being turned into the worst thing since the fall of lucifer! Especially when something as dangerous as poi is getting the old shoulder shrug.
Fire breathing is a magnificent art. Dangerous it is. As is any other fire art. More dangerous than the rest? I don't think so. And I resent the acclimation.
EDITED_BY: Scorched_Out (1148467391)
First off, let me say that I love the site. And though I have a feeling that I will not be liked very much after this post, I'm glad to be a part of this community. Now on to the negativity.
I would very much like to comment on post after post condemning fire breathing. Here, as well as every site that I seem to visit about the fire arts, contain horrible warnings about fire breathing and it's effects as if the simple thought of the art would turn you into a HIDEOUS MONSTER FROM BEYOND DEATH AND HELL!!!!!!!!!!AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
And yet thousands of people are doing it everyday. Now, do not take me wrongly. I do agree that the art is dangerous. Kinda like stepping into a hug steel box full of hundreds of pounds of jet fuel. And then, with relative stupidity, launching that box five miles into the air just so you can get from one place to another faster. Good lord! We would never imagine doing that now would we?
Or why would we ever dream of jumping out of that box with a sheet extended over our heads, attached by a couple of strings, just to make our fall to the earth a little softer? Oh my God thats ludicrous!!!
But we do it. And we do it without constantly advising these people of the dangers of flight or parachuting. Ok...I've gotten off track here. My point is simply this. Any time you decide to play with fire for the fun of it your placing yourself at risk. PERIOD!!!
There is no imphasis on fire breathing here. The imphasis should be on lighting a fire at all. You light a camp fire and you run the risk of burning the whole forest down. Your light a grill and you run the risk of it blowing up in your face.
I've been a breather for eight years now. I've never been burned, I've never burned anybody else, I've never gotten sick from the fuel, or lost my teeth, or ended up in the hospital as a result. I make gold from fire and I'm happy!
I mean come on! Poi seems more dangerous to me. Slinging around a burning cloth on the end of a chain? Right! I invision audience members burning to death from a poi thats gotten out of hand. I refuse to stand within a hundred feet of those guys in case they miss a beat and throw that thing all over me! At least my tower burns out in a few seconds.
Look, Im not trying to make waves here. I sympathize with those who have been injured while breathing. But I feel a little hurt that the art that I love so much is being turned into the worst thing since the fall of lucifer! Especially when something as dangerous as poi is getting the old shoulder shrug.
Fire breathing is a magnificent art. Dangerous it is. As is any other fire art. More dangerous than the rest? I don't think so. And I resent the acclimation.
EDITED_BY: Scorched_Out (1148467391)
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Yes but if you make one mistake with fire poi, you're at worst gonna get a surface burn. Make one mistake with Fire Breathing, and you're dead. I'd say that's more dangerous.
Yes but if you make one mistake with fire poi, you're at worst gonna get a surface burn. Make one mistake with Fire Breathing, and you're dead. I'd say that's more dangerous.
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Ok...I'll take the bait.
What mistake from breathing could you make to get you killed? Let's play this just for a second.
Ok...I'll take the bait.
What mistake from breathing could you make to get you killed? Let's play this just for a second.
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Posted:
I think the fact that there are so many warnings is because this is a site in which many young people also visit.
Its merely meant to be a warning for those that are inexperienced in it.
You have obviously been doing it a long time and know what you are doing, but a lot of people on here have never tried it,and are therefore more at risk.
I appreciate exactly what you are saying about poi aswell, but there are also discussion thread etc on this.
How to make your poi as safe as possible etc,the effect spinning any fire has on your body so it is not just fire breathing.
You also have to remember that seeing fire breathing from an audiences perspective is one of the most impressive things.If you have never seen fire arts before and you see someone breathing...its gonna make you go "wow!".
This means that its also high on the list of things people want to try if they're interested,and in a lot of cases one of the first things they will try.
Hence why it has so many warnings on this site.
And..
to Drudwyns point.
I think the fact that there are so many warnings is because this is a site in which many young people also visit.
Its merely meant to be a warning for those that are inexperienced in it.
You have obviously been doing it a long time and know what you are doing, but a lot of people on here have never tried it,and are therefore more at risk.
I appreciate exactly what you are saying about poi aswell, but there are also discussion thread etc on this.
How to make your poi as safe as possible etc,the effect spinning any fire has on your body so it is not just fire breathing.
You also have to remember that seeing fire breathing from an audiences perspective is one of the most impressive things.If you have never seen fire arts before and you see someone breathing...its gonna make you go "wow!".
This means that its also high on the list of things people want to try if they're interested,and in a lot of cases one of the first things they will try.
Hence why it has so many warnings on this site.
And..
to Drudwyns point. member
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Hmmm..I'm seeing both your points on this
I feel its fair to warn people-a lot- about the risks of, say, chemical pneumonia with fire breathing, but in the same way as warnings exist on cigarettes...not in such a scaremongering fashion as currently seems to be the trend.
There should be fair and reasoned arguments for all fire play, for both the pros and cons...fire breathing is a little more dangerous than, say, lighting a grill (or swinging poi), but INFORMED choice should be promoted
Hmmm..I'm seeing both your points on this
I feel its fair to warn people-a lot- about the risks of, say, chemical pneumonia with fire breathing, but in the same way as warnings exist on cigarettes...not in such a scaremongering fashion as currently seems to be the trend.
There should be fair and reasoned arguments for all fire play, for both the pros and cons...fire breathing is a little more dangerous than, say, lighting a grill (or swinging poi), but INFORMED choice should be promoted
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Posted:
A girl who used to work for Hybrid..(the group i perform with)..was doing a fire breathing act for a gig.
Unfortunately,although she had been doing it for a long time,she slipped up this time.
She accidently inhaled some of the vapour towards the end of the burnwhich consequently scorched her throat and air passages.
Unable to breathe she was carted off to the hospital.
Her lungs flooded, starved her brain of oxygen, and she was in a coma for 4 weeks and very nearly died.
Thats how.
Not a nice story i know, but you did ask!
Written by: Scorched_Out
Ok...I'll take the bait.
What mistake from breathing could you make to get you killed? Let's play this just for a second.
A girl who used to work for Hybrid..(the group i perform with)..was doing a fire breathing act for a gig.
Unfortunately,although she had been doing it for a long time,she slipped up this time.
She accidently inhaled some of the vapour towards the end of the burnwhich consequently scorched her throat and air passages.
Unable to breathe she was carted off to the hospital.
Her lungs flooded, starved her brain of oxygen, and she was in a coma for 4 weeks and very nearly died.
Thats how.
Not a nice story i know, but you did ask!
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hmmm...I see your point. I do make it a point before each show to give everyone the "DONT TRY THIS AT HOME" warning. I guess what I'm really trying to express here is how poi, and all the other spinning arts is so highly praised and encouraged while breathing gets pushed off as evil.
I guess I just feel like the bad guy. Black sheep of the family.
Baaaaaaaa!...lol
hmmm...I see your point. I do make it a point before each show to give everyone the "DONT TRY THIS AT HOME" warning. I guess what I'm really trying to express here is how poi, and all the other spinning arts is so highly praised and encouraged while breathing gets pushed off as evil.
I guess I just feel like the bad guy. Black sheep of the family.
Baaaaaaaa!...lol
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Posted:
This is *exactly* why there are a lot of posts talking about how dangerous fire breathing is.
Pele's article https://www.homeofpoi.com/articles/Firebreathing_accident.php
details one such occurence - an accident happening to an experienced breather which ends with serious hospitalisation.
The point is that chemical pneumonia and ARDS are a) a definite possibility and b) potentially fatal, yet not many breathers are fully aware of these risks.
Written by: Scorched_Out
Ok...I'll take the bait.
What mistake from breathing could you make to get you killed? Let's play this just for a second.
This is *exactly* why there are a lot of posts talking about how dangerous fire breathing is.
Pele's article https://www.homeofpoi.com/articles/Firebreathing_accident.php
details one such occurence - an accident happening to an experienced breather which ends with serious hospitalisation.
The point is that chemical pneumonia and ARDS are a) a definite possibility and b) potentially fatal, yet not many breathers are fully aware of these risks.
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no disrespect intended, but i think you will find that most people on this site disagree with you scorched_out.
fire breathing is not presented as a demon of the fire arts and is practiced by a good few people on this site.
it is simply highlighted here as the fire art with the highest potential of serious injury - it carries risks that are simply not present in other fire arts.
most people learn a whole buncvh of moves with poi before they move onto spinning fire - fire breathing has a much more dangerous learning curve.
after eight years, i would expect you are aware of all the risks and are conditioned to avoid them but they are still there (as pele's article and interview describe in detail).
more importantly, someone that has just seen fire breathing and has come here to find out more then give it a go needs to fully understand the risks.
i agree that any form of fire is dangerous, especially if the proper safety measures are ignored.
but is there really anything wrong with treating the risks of fire breathing with a large amount of respect?
as for your risk comparisons, a poi can be put out with a fire blanket, parachutists have reserve chutes, inhaling aspirated fuel will most likely kill you.
your comparison of fire breathing to air travel however is one of the most laughable risk comparisons i've ever heard!
cole. x
no disrespect intended, but i think you will find that most people on this site disagree with you scorched_out.
fire breathing is not presented as a demon of the fire arts and is practiced by a good few people on this site.
it is simply highlighted here as the fire art with the highest potential of serious injury - it carries risks that are simply not present in other fire arts.
most people learn a whole buncvh of moves with poi before they move onto spinning fire - fire breathing has a much more dangerous learning curve.
after eight years, i would expect you are aware of all the risks and are conditioned to avoid them but they are still there (as pele's article and interview describe in detail).
more importantly, someone that has just seen fire breathing and has come here to find out more then give it a go needs to fully understand the risks.
i agree that any form of fire is dangerous, especially if the proper safety measures are ignored.
but is there really anything wrong with treating the risks of fire breathing with a large amount of respect?
as for your risk comparisons, a poi can be put out with a fire blanket, parachutists have reserve chutes, inhaling aspirated fuel will most likely kill you.
your comparison of fire breathing to air travel however is one of the most laughable risk comparisons i've ever heard!
cole. x
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One more question. What the heck is chemical pneumonia? ARDS?
Wait...wait....wait!!!!!! Even more, how in the heck do you manage to inhale aspirated fuel or inhale the tail end of a burn? The trick is to cut off the burn and step away before you breath. Thats how I was trained to do it. Inhale, sip the fuel, blow the burst, cut the burst, step away and the breath.
Am I missing something here?
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One more question. What the heck is chemical pneumonia? ARDS?
Wait...wait....wait!!!!!! Even more, how in the heck do you manage to inhale aspirated fuel or inhale the tail end of a burn? The trick is to cut off the burn and step away before you breath. Thats how I was trained to do it. Inhale, sip the fuel, blow the burst, cut the burst, step away and the breath.
Am I missing something here?
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Thats good that you do that and i have the utmost respect for the fact that you do warn them.
But a lot of people don't listen
Its like when you spin poi, whether its on fire or glow, you still spaend half your time avoiding hitting people they deem it acceptable to walk directly next to you.
And yeah Cole's right, its just the fact that it can cause such serious injury, compared to other fire arts.
Its not that anyone thinks less of fire breathers at all, its just we feel that the risk are that bad its worth mentioning them so that peope who want to do it can be fully informed and make up their own mind.
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hmmm...I see your point. I do make it a point before each show to give everyone the "DONT TRY THIS AT HOME" warning. I guess what I'm really trying to express here is how poi, and all the other spinning arts is so highly praised and encouraged while breathing gets pushed off as evil.
I guess I just feel like the bad guy. Black sheep of the family.
Baaaaaaaa!...lol
Thats good that you do that and i have the utmost respect for the fact that you do warn them.
But a lot of people don't listen
Its like when you spin poi, whether its on fire or glow, you still spaend half your time avoiding hitting people they deem it acceptable to walk directly next to you.
And yeah Cole's right, its just the fact that it can cause such serious injury, compared to other fire arts.
Its not that anyone thinks less of fire breathers at all, its just we feel that the risk are that bad its worth mentioning them so that peope who want to do it can be fully informed and make up their own mind.
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chemical pneumonia
ARDS
chemical pneumonia
ARDS
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that is a very disturbing question coming from a fire breather with eight years' experience!
chemical pneumonia is a severe form of pneumonia caused by the inhalation of a toxic gas (e.g. aspiration kerosene).
ards (acute respiratory distress syndrome) is what you are likely to be left with after such an accident: https://ards.org/
PLEASE GO AND READ PELE's ARTICLE
she took similar levels of precaution as you and still got hurt.
no breathing method is 100% fail-safe.
cole. x
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Written by: Scorched_Out
One more question. What the heck is chemical pneumonia? ARDS?
that is a very disturbing question coming from a fire breather with eight years' experience!
chemical pneumonia is a severe form of pneumonia caused by the inhalation of a toxic gas (e.g. aspiration kerosene).
ards (acute respiratory distress syndrome) is what you are likely to be left with after such an accident: https://ards.org/
Written by: scorche_out
Wait...wait....wait!!!!!! Even more, how in the heck do you manage to inhale aspirated fuel or inhale the tail end of a burn? The trick is to cut off the burn and step away before you breath. Thats how I was trained to do it. Inhale, sip the fuel, blow the burst, cut the burst, step away and the breath.
Am I missing something here?
PLEASE GO AND READ PELE's ARTICLE
she took similar levels of precaution as you and still got hurt.
no breathing method is 100% fail-safe.
cole. x
edit: damn, maus beat me in the google race
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Beat ya to it!
Beat ya to it!
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personally i dont care much for firebreathing, ive seen loads of ppl do it but only ever seen one breather who does it in what i consider to be an interesting fashion (for those who are interested https://www.pyromancer.nl/video.htm)
just curious as to what fuel you are using
personally id take having lit poi as flaming handcuffs over inhaling flaming vapour any day of the week.
personally i dont care much for firebreathing, ive seen loads of ppl do it but only ever seen one breather who does it in what i consider to be an interesting fashion (for those who are interested https://www.pyromancer.nl/video.htm)
Written by: Scorched_Out
I've been a breather for eight years now. I've never been burned, I've never burned anybody else, I've never gotten sick from the fuel
just curious as to what fuel you are using
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Fire breathing is a magnificent art. Dangerous it is. As is any other fire art. More dangerous than the rest? I don't think so.
personally id take having lit poi as flaming handcuffs over inhaling flaming vapour any day of the week.
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Sounds like hype to me. I'll be willing to bet my next shows gold that most accidents happen because of inexperience and bad or no training at all. With proper training it becomes no more dangerous than any other fire art. Chem flu?....hehehe...oooooooooooook
Sounds like hype to me. I'll be willing to bet my next shows gold that most accidents happen because of inexperience and bad or no training at all. With proper training it becomes no more dangerous than any other fire art. Chem flu?....hehehe...oooooooooooook
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I use 100% paraffin. Ben.....man! If he's the only one that you have ever seen to bring glory to the art...maybe you should get out more.
Myself and my team put on an hour long show that will make you stand in awe. Pyromancer is awesome! Im better. And I got the flames to prove it.
I use 100% paraffin. Ben.....man! If he's the only one that you have ever seen to bring glory to the art...maybe you should get out more.
Myself and my team put on an hour long show that will make you stand in awe. Pyromancer is awesome! Im better. And I got the flames to prove it.
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If I was superstitious, I'd say you're asking for it. But being the nice person that I am I wish that neither you or anyone who teach will ever be in the situation where you have to deal with it... by the way, pneumonia isn't the same as flu. Sure most accidents are because of inexperience, but that doesn't mean things like ARDS don't happen, and don't happen to experienced people.
I'm glad HoP puts the warnings on, because for every one like you there are probably 10 people that read Pele's story or at least get information on ARDS and chemical pneumonia and are aware of the dangers, even if it doesn't make them stop. But at least the chances are that their fellow performers can tell the hospital what to look out for if an accident should happen.
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Sounds like hype to me. I'll be willing to bet my next shows gold that most accidents happen because of inexperience and bad or no training at all. With proper training it becomes no more dangerous than any other fire art. Chem flu?....hehehe...oooooooooooook
If I was superstitious, I'd say you're asking for it. But being the nice person that I am I wish that neither you or anyone who teach will ever be in the situation where you have to deal with it... by the way, pneumonia isn't the same as flu. Sure most accidents are because of inexperience, but that doesn't mean things like ARDS don't happen, and don't happen to experienced people.
I'm glad HoP puts the warnings on, because for every one like you there are probably 10 people that read Pele's story or at least get information on ARDS and chemical pneumonia and are aware of the dangers, even if it doesn't make them stop. But at least the chances are that their fellow performers can tell the hospital what to look out for if an accident should happen.
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That is EXACTLY what people are saying. There will always be people who see fire breathing, think 'that looks cool! I can do that!'.
All these warnings plastered all over the site is a way of telling everyone to be safe rather than sorry.
It's sort of along the lines of the disclaimers people sign before engaging in Parachute jumping. The company can admit that something MAY go wrong but will do everything in their power to ensure it doesn't happen.
These HOP warnings should have two desired effects - put someone off who is unwilling to take the risks and make the time and effort to learn properly, or inspire someone to learn EVERYTHIGN there is to know to ensure their safety...
ALSO
It warns you of the risks DESPITE you doing everything right... That accidents can still happen even if you take the necessary precautions
'Sudden change of wind' is a reoccuring one. Even if you check that you are blowing in the direction of the wind, the wind can still take a sudden U-turn gust in your directionleading to the flame blowing back in your face or even lit/unit fuel back in your mouth.
Would you prefer it if this site ignored the hazards let inexperienced amateurs believe the risks are no worse than setting yourself on fire momentarily?
Written by: Scorched_Out
Sounds like hype to me. I'll be willing to bet my next shows gold that most accidents happen because of inexperience and bad or no training at all. With proper training it becomes no more dangerous than any other fire art. Chem flu?....hehehe...oooooooooooook
That is EXACTLY what people are saying. There will always be people who see fire breathing, think 'that looks cool! I can do that!'.
All these warnings plastered all over the site is a way of telling everyone to be safe rather than sorry.
It's sort of along the lines of the disclaimers people sign before engaging in Parachute jumping. The company can admit that something MAY go wrong but will do everything in their power to ensure it doesn't happen.
These HOP warnings should have two desired effects - put someone off who is unwilling to take the risks and make the time and effort to learn properly, or inspire someone to learn EVERYTHIGN there is to know to ensure their safety...
ALSO
It warns you of the risks DESPITE you doing everything right... That accidents can still happen even if you take the necessary precautions
'Sudden change of wind' is a reoccuring one. Even if you check that you are blowing in the direction of the wind, the wind can still take a sudden U-turn gust in your directionleading to the flame blowing back in your face or even lit/unit fuel back in your mouth.
Would you prefer it if this site ignored the hazards let inexperienced amateurs believe the risks are no worse than setting yourself on fire momentarily?
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lol sorry. Im just Fired up. Excuse the pun...ha ha
Im just spitting into the wind. Ooopps! Did I say that? Ok so I've been up a little to long. Getting gidddddddy. But I respect all posts. This has been fun. thanks guys!
As a side note, I really do feel that people should get proper training before trying any of the fire arts. Im not talking about reading a bunch of books and watchin' a few vids. I mean hands on. One on One. With a pro!
Look what happened to Pele. I respect her for who she is and for her natural talent. But she burned because she was not properly trained. It's that simple.
I'm telling you. I was a pet to my trainer for weeks before Iwas even showed how to wrap a wick around a tourch. I had to diet, work out, spray water, then spray milk...the guy even tought me taijichuan so that I understood how to move correctly.
Folks please! Stop spending the money on books and video and use it to fund a good round of training. Or go to college...lol. Theres the safest bet.
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lol sorry. Im just Fired up. Excuse the pun...ha ha
Im just spitting into the wind. Ooopps! Did I say that? Ok so I've been up a little to long. Getting gidddddddy. But I respect all posts. This has been fun. thanks guys!
As a side note, I really do feel that people should get proper training before trying any of the fire arts. Im not talking about reading a bunch of books and watchin' a few vids. I mean hands on. One on One. With a pro!
Look what happened to Pele. I respect her for who she is and for her natural talent. But she burned because she was not properly trained. It's that simple.
I'm telling you. I was a pet to my trainer for weeks before Iwas even showed how to wrap a wick around a tourch. I had to diet, work out, spray water, then spray milk...the guy even tought me taijichuan so that I understood how to move correctly.
Folks please! Stop spending the money on books and video and use it to fund a good round of training. Or go to college...lol. Theres the safest bet.
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Parafin oil is carcinogenic
taken from the above report
"CHRONIC EXPOSURE - CARCINOGEN
Species: Man
Route of Application: Inhalation
Dose: 5 MG/M3
Exposure Time: 5YFrequency:
I
Result: Tumorigenic: Carcinogenic by RTECS criteria.
Gastrointestinal: Tumors.
Tumorigenic Effects: Testicular tumors."
got a video?
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I use 100% paraffin. Ben.....man! If he's the only one that you have ever seen to bring glory to the art...maybe you should get out more.
Parafin oil is carcinogenic
taken from the above report
"CHRONIC EXPOSURE - CARCINOGEN
Species: Man
Route of Application: Inhalation
Dose: 5 MG/M3
Exposure Time: 5YFrequency:
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Result: Tumorigenic: Carcinogenic by RTECS criteria.
Gastrointestinal: Tumors.
Tumorigenic Effects: Testicular tumors."
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got a video?
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big and good and broken
7,330 posts
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kingdom
big and good and broken
7,330 posts
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kingdom
Posted:
so why not promote your experiences of learning to fire breathe and all the precautions and stages of learning you went through before you got your mouth anywhere near a flame?
it would seem to me to be a better use of your time than trying to undermine the safety advice the site gives...?
the warnings given here are given to encourage what you recommend above.
they are to dispel the idea that someone can can learn to breathe fire safely, solely from instructions they've found on the internet.
cole. x
Written by: Scorched_Out
I'm telling you. I was a pet to my trainer for weeks before I was even showed how to wrap a wick around a tourch. I had to diet, work out, spray water, then spray milk...the guy even tought me taijichuan so that I understood how to move correctly.
Folks please! Stop spending the money on books and video and use it to fund a good round of training. Or go to college...lol. Theres the safest bet.
so why not promote your experiences of learning to fire breathe and all the precautions and stages of learning you went through before you got your mouth anywhere near a flame?
it would seem to me to be a better use of your time than trying to undermine the safety advice the site gives...?
the warnings given here are given to encourage what you recommend above.
they are to dispel the idea that someone can can learn to breathe fire safely, solely from instructions they've found on the internet.
cole. x
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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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Location: Sihanoukville, cambodia
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Location: Sihanoukville, cambodia
Posted:
Not the attitude i expected from someone who is professional.
Written by: Scorched_Out
This has been fun. thanks guys!
Not the attitude i expected from someone who is professional.
Written by: Scorched_Out
One more question. What the heck is chemical pneumonia? ARDS? [/qoute]
As a professional you SHOULD know this. For your own health please use the websites i already posted for yourself and forward them to those you teach.Written by: Scorched_Out
As a side note, I really do feel that people should get proper training before trying any of the fire arts. Im not talking about reading a bunch of books and watchin' a few vids. I mean hands on. One on One. With a pro!
I agree that people should have one on one training. But they should also have the capabilities to research the dangers of it themselves, before they even consider training.Written by: Scorched_Out
Look what happened to Pele. I respect her for who she is and for her natural talent. But she burned because she was not properly trained. It's that simple.
No. Its not always that simple. Accidents happen no matter how highly trained you are.
The woman from Hybrid had been doing it for years.Written by: Scorched_Out
I'm telling you. I was a pet to my trainer for weeks before Iwas even showed how to wrap a wick around a tourch. I had to diet, work out, spray water, then spray milk...the guy even tought me taijichuan so that I understood how to move correctly.
You are lucky. However others are not as fortunate as you when it comes to who trains them, this is why the risks need to be pointed out as often as possible.
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Location: 8 days at Cloudbreak, 6 in Perth, Australia
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1,433 posts
Location: 8 days at Cloudbreak, 6 in Perth, Australia
Posted:
I'm sorry but there are wanings about everything that is considered dangerous all over the world...if you feel you are so well educated instead of making yourself appear to be far more superior than the rest of us why not use your skills to teach people how to fire breathe properly...
You asked us why we always say so much on the precautionary side well that is because a number of us have seen people seriously injure themselves (including people who are meant to be fully trained and have been doing it for years). We answered your question but you seem to mock us when we tell you the answer YOU requested...
We have done research on the side effects of the fuels that are used by fire breathers and I am kind of scared that someone who deals with these fuels does NOT seem to know the problems that they can cause.
As a twirler I make sure everyone that I teach as well as myself and also the people that watch me when I perform know ALL the things that I am aware of that could go wrong....all the safety problems with it.
Your attitude, frankly, scares me. And yes I would also be saying the same thing to a fire twirler who was not aware of the full risks and being as cock sure as you are being....
I'm sorry but there are wanings about everything that is considered dangerous all over the world...if you feel you are so well educated instead of making yourself appear to be far more superior than the rest of us why not use your skills to teach people how to fire breathe properly...
You asked us why we always say so much on the precautionary side well that is because a number of us have seen people seriously injure themselves (including people who are meant to be fully trained and have been doing it for years). We answered your question but you seem to mock us when we tell you the answer YOU requested...
We have done research on the side effects of the fuels that are used by fire breathers and I am kind of scared that someone who deals with these fuels does NOT seem to know the problems that they can cause.
As a twirler I make sure everyone that I teach as well as myself and also the people that watch me when I perform know ALL the things that I am aware of that could go wrong....all the safety problems with it.
Your attitude, frankly, scares me. And yes I would also be saying the same thing to a fire twirler who was not aware of the full risks and being as cock sure as you are being....
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UnNatural Scientist - Currently working on a Breville-legged monkey
757 posts
Location: Bath Uni or Shrewsbury, UK
UnNatural Scientist - Currently working on a Breville-legged monkey
757 posts
Location: Bath Uni or Shrewsbury, UK
Posted:
Purely out of interest - what qualifies someone as a professional? They guy that taught you, what made him so special?
Nothing attacking, no sarcasm, just want to know.
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Purely out of interest - what qualifies someone as a professional? They guy that taught you, what made him so special?
Nothing attacking, no sarcasm, just want to know.
EDITED_BY: Domino (1148479309)
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enthusiast
328 posts
Location: uk
328 posts
Location: uk
Posted:
I've been performing 'professionally' with fire for the last four years, including all the major fire arts, fire-breathing inclusive, I also teach these skills to a high and 'safest' possible standard, for this I use a lot of peer reviewed material, mostly from this site for which I'm rather greatful.
I put a dissproportionate amount of time into practising fire-breathing due to the risks involved, mainly asperation techniques and limit 'live firebreathing' and have found consistently that apserated water and or fuel unburnt will remain airbourne for some time while evolving into a cloud and can and does travel a substantial distance, very occaisionally this can remain airbourne for upto 20 seconds or more. It was this mainly that demonstrated to me just how easy it could be for a performer or even an audience member to unintentionally inhale asperated fuel.
mark
I've been performing 'professionally' with fire for the last four years, including all the major fire arts, fire-breathing inclusive, I also teach these skills to a high and 'safest' possible standard, for this I use a lot of peer reviewed material, mostly from this site for which I'm rather greatful.
I put a dissproportionate amount of time into practising fire-breathing due to the risks involved, mainly asperation techniques and limit 'live firebreathing' and have found consistently that apserated water and or fuel unburnt will remain airbourne for some time while evolving into a cloud and can and does travel a substantial distance, very occaisionally this can remain airbourne for upto 20 seconds or more. It was this mainly that demonstrated to me just how easy it could be for a performer or even an audience member to unintentionally inhale asperated fuel.
mark
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I make my own people.
607 posts
Location: Nashville, Tennessee, USA
I make my own people.
607 posts
Location: Nashville, Tennessee, USA
Posted:
I think "professional" means you do it for money... it's your profession.
It seems like a good idea to present firebreathing as a really dangerous thing that most people probably shouldn't do, since it is. We put warnings on cups of coffee to let people know that they are hot, after all.
The reason isn't that people think that coffee is supposed to come out cold. People know that fire will burn you. However, I know I would feel really bad if I ran a site that seemed to encourage firebreathing, and some kid were to burn his face (or worse). I know it seems silly to say "here's how to do it, but don't!" However, this isn't chess, and people need to understand just how bad things could get.
I think "professional" means you do it for money... it's your profession.
It seems like a good idea to present firebreathing as a really dangerous thing that most people probably shouldn't do, since it is. We put warnings on cups of coffee to let people know that they are hot, after all.
The reason isn't that people think that coffee is supposed to come out cold. People know that fire will burn you. However, I know I would feel really bad if I ran a site that seemed to encourage firebreathing, and some kid were to burn his face (or worse). I know it seems silly to say "here's how to do it, but don't!" However, this isn't chess, and people need to understand just how bad things could get.
NYC
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Posted:
I'll bet your crew could kick my ass at counterstrike too.
Written by: Scorched_Out
Myself and my team put on an hour long show that will make you stand in awe. Pyromancer is awesome! Im better. And I got the flames to prove it.
I'll bet your crew could kick my ass at counterstrike too.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
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Pirate Pixie Crew Captain
8,428 posts
Location: Wales
Pirate Pixie Crew Captain
8,428 posts
Location: Wales
Posted:
Quite frankly Scorched_Out, I wouldn't employ you to perform. You're utter lack of knowledge of the dangers of fire breathing and totally flippant attitued to people trying to help you learn them, stinks. If you were as perfectly well trained as you are trying to claim to be, you would know all these risks people are telling you about in this thread. I don't know any genuinely professional, well trained fire breather that would claim that there is no risk of chemical pneumonia or ARDS from fire breathing.
No matter how well trained you are or how much you prepare for each fire breathing session, you cannot be in control of every factor. There will always be a risk. This is true of all fire arts. Sadly fire breathing, if it goes wrong, can have a very high price to pay. That is why this and many other sites rightfully warn of the dangers.
If you bother to look around this site a bit more you will also see warnings about all fire arts and the saftey precautions you should take. Safety is not a joke.
I think the balance of warning, to teaching, to support is pretty much right on HoP.
Quite frankly Scorched_Out, I wouldn't employ you to perform. You're utter lack of knowledge of the dangers of fire breathing and totally flippant attitued to people trying to help you learn them, stinks. If you were as perfectly well trained as you are trying to claim to be, you would know all these risks people are telling you about in this thread. I don't know any genuinely professional, well trained fire breather that would claim that there is no risk of chemical pneumonia or ARDS from fire breathing.
No matter how well trained you are or how much you prepare for each fire breathing session, you cannot be in control of every factor. There will always be a risk. This is true of all fire arts. Sadly fire breathing, if it goes wrong, can have a very high price to pay. That is why this and many other sites rightfully warn of the dangers.
If you bother to look around this site a bit more you will also see warnings about all fire arts and the saftey precautions you should take. Safety is not a joke.
I think the balance of warning, to teaching, to support is pretty much right on HoP.
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Location: My House, United Kingdom
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1,286 posts
Location: My House, United Kingdom
Posted:
dude just watch this
i dont know how you can think it cant kill you, 1 you're practically drinking extremely poisonous chemicals, 2 you get it wrong..well watch the video, if you'er that lazy, skip to 1minute30secs and actually watch, and listen
Written by: Scorched_Out
Ok...I'll take the bait.
What mistake from breathing could you make to get you killed? Let's play this just for a second.
dude just watch this
i dont know how you can think it cant kill you, 1 you're practically drinking extremely poisonous chemicals, 2 you get it wrong..well watch the video, if you'er that lazy, skip to 1minute30secs and actually watch, and listen
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Location: sheffield, United Kingdom
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3,252 posts
Location: sheffield, United Kingdom
Posted:
I wonder if 'Scorched_Out' is just someone doing a bit of trolling? some aspects of his/her posts would suggest this.
There's several reasons why posts here are perceived by some fire breathers as being 'down on fire breathing', including-
* fire breathing is dangerous- yes, so is fire spinning etc- but breathing is substantially more dangerous, both in terms of the short term risk of dying/being maimed during an actual breathe,; through the medium term risk of chemical pnemonia which affects a high percentage of regular breathers; to the long term risk of cancer
* the fact that many of us here have seen friends/acquaintances, both online and in real life, get seriously hurt by fire breathing
* the irresponsible attitude that sometimes accompanies fire-breathing, for example the number of instances of fire-breathers who inflict their 'art' on drunken, sometimes underage, party goers- by teaching them how to fire-breathe, whilst inebriated, with no stress on the risks and passing it off as safe
* the ease with which fire-breathing can be dabbled with, relative to, say, fire spinning or fire juggling- uninformed members of the public on seeing a fire art, will tend to be put off acquiring the necessary skills when they appreciate how much time is required to spin/juggle to any decent level. In contrast, basic fire-breathing requires minimal time and skill to learn, and there are always 'professional' breathers who are willing to encourage and 'train' gullible members of the public
I'm not going to mince words about my feelings concerning fire-breathing these days- I don't want anything to do with it; I would not employ a fire-breather and, if performing, would refuse to work with one.
When I speak to people about fire-breathing, i say nothing positive about it and I go out of my way to point out the number of people who have been badly damaged by it.
I find that members of the public have, on the whole, still got no understanding of the real dangers of fire breathing or are aware that many, including careful and well practised professionals, have been badly hurt doing it..
IMO, fire breathing is dirty (putting toxic and carcinogenic fuel into the oral cavity which contains some of the most absorbent surfaces of the human body), boring to watch and devoid of skill or art- that's just my opinion.
Indeed, the question in my mind isn't why people put fire breathing down, but rather, why anyone feels the need to defend it.
Finally, it's been banned from the COL videos and I very much applaud that.
From the perspective of 'professional' breathers, i'd suggest that discouraging newbies from taking it up would have only positive effects on the profession- leaving it with an air of mystery, rather than having the profession flooded by hundreds of people with inadequate training, plus the inevitable rise in fatalities.
I suspect that part of the motivation of breathers who critisise HOPs, quite frankly, sensible and responsible, attitude to breathing; is based on their own insecurities about their vested interest in what is plainly seen by most with experience, as a dirty, dangerous, low skill pursuit, with little or no, artistic merit.
Apologies to any fire breathers who take offense at any of the above- hopefully they'll appreciate that we're all entitled to have, and express, our opinions.
I wonder if 'Scorched_Out' is just someone doing a bit of trolling? some aspects of his/her posts would suggest this.
There's several reasons why posts here are perceived by some fire breathers as being 'down on fire breathing', including-
* fire breathing is dangerous- yes, so is fire spinning etc- but breathing is substantially more dangerous, both in terms of the short term risk of dying/being maimed during an actual breathe,; through the medium term risk of chemical pnemonia which affects a high percentage of regular breathers; to the long term risk of cancer
* the fact that many of us here have seen friends/acquaintances, both online and in real life, get seriously hurt by fire breathing
* the irresponsible attitude that sometimes accompanies fire-breathing, for example the number of instances of fire-breathers who inflict their 'art' on drunken, sometimes underage, party goers- by teaching them how to fire-breathe, whilst inebriated, with no stress on the risks and passing it off as safe
* the ease with which fire-breathing can be dabbled with, relative to, say, fire spinning or fire juggling- uninformed members of the public on seeing a fire art, will tend to be put off acquiring the necessary skills when they appreciate how much time is required to spin/juggle to any decent level. In contrast, basic fire-breathing requires minimal time and skill to learn, and there are always 'professional' breathers who are willing to encourage and 'train' gullible members of the public
I'm not going to mince words about my feelings concerning fire-breathing these days- I don't want anything to do with it; I would not employ a fire-breather and, if performing, would refuse to work with one.
When I speak to people about fire-breathing, i say nothing positive about it and I go out of my way to point out the number of people who have been badly damaged by it.
I find that members of the public have, on the whole, still got no understanding of the real dangers of fire breathing or are aware that many, including careful and well practised professionals, have been badly hurt doing it..
IMO, fire breathing is dirty (putting toxic and carcinogenic fuel into the oral cavity which contains some of the most absorbent surfaces of the human body), boring to watch and devoid of skill or art- that's just my opinion.
Indeed, the question in my mind isn't why people put fire breathing down, but rather, why anyone feels the need to defend it.
Finally, it's been banned from the COL videos and I very much applaud that.
From the perspective of 'professional' breathers, i'd suggest that discouraging newbies from taking it up would have only positive effects on the profession- leaving it with an air of mystery, rather than having the profession flooded by hundreds of people with inadequate training, plus the inevitable rise in fatalities.
I suspect that part of the motivation of breathers who critisise HOPs, quite frankly, sensible and responsible, attitude to breathing; is based on their own insecurities about their vested interest in what is plainly seen by most with experience, as a dirty, dangerous, low skill pursuit, with little or no, artistic merit.
Apologies to any fire breathers who take offense at any of the above- hopefully they'll appreciate that we're all entitled to have, and express, our opinions.
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