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Kyrian


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Posted:I've been watching cnn on and off at work and the most recent story is essentially about how athletes are "accidentally" raping people because they belive that they are entitled to have any woman they want.

1. Does anyone have moreinfo on this story, its not on the website

2. What the HECK are they thinking?????

umm


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astar2


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Posted:if they can accidentally rape because they forget they aren't entitled to sex I suppose someone could accidentally kill them, because they forget they are human beings.



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Rouge Dragon
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Posted:In Australia we often get stories about footballers (both of the AFL and Rugby persuasions) in rape allegations. sorry, no links at the moment because I have to run off to uni, but if no-one has given you any by the time I get back, I'll see what I can dig up smile

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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Kyrian


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Posted:Yeah, the deal is apparently its "hard to get charges to stick" because with the "entitlement" there's no accountability.

I was completly dumbfounded by the existence of this whole "news" report. And somehow because you're a college (uni) athlete you don't follow the same laws? I mean we all know its true in practice, but this is a bit much... :/

They mention things like "some athletes are promoting sexual responsibility, but" and I'm like but what? But others can do whatever they want? I don't really care what they "think" the simple truth is you can't do stuff to people without their consent?

Anyway... I still havn't found its existence online, but it was on the tv this afternoon!


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Psycho_lemming
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Posted:*keeps mouth shut*

a related link but not cnn story....

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Rouge Dragon
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Posted:Had a search,but could only find straight articles about the facts and not dicussions on the matter.

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2004/s1069962.htm
for one of the cases.


i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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UCOF
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Posted:Astar! eek

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astar2


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Posted:hey im not suggesting anyone murder anyone, My statement's just as absurdly crazy as anyone forgetting that they aren't entitled to sex, which was kind of the point.

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Brian:-)
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Posted:Perhaps condoms should have forms packaged with them reading something like:-

I _______ Declare that I am sober, above the age of consent and agree to have sex with _________
Date________ Time_______
Signed_____________

It would save a lot of trouble. shrug


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UCOF
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Posted:no no no.. astar!
Its you!! biggrin

Get your avatar back up again biz-nitch! tongue

and you know what not to do this time wink


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astar2


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Posted:what avatar?

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UCOF
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Posted:biggrin
Missed you spank

offtopic
im off biggrin


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Sethis
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Posted:Good idea Brian... then you just need to make it legally binding... which might be slightly more troublesome.

Could be a step in the right direction... I guess... Hmmm.


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Patriarch917
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Posted:We've spoken about such "express consent" in criminal law lately. Apparently, some schools have issues such "consent cards" for their students to fill out before having sex.

Such cards are of little actual value. In the clasic rape case, for example, the lady might simply hold a gun to the poor guy's head and say "fill it out" before (or after) she raped him.

Alternatively, the guy could have filled out the card intending to consent, then changed his mind for some reason between filling it out and actually having sex. The lady forces herself on him, knowing that the card will help get her off.

Naturally, courts might consider such a card as a piece of evidence, but it would get little weight. A more effective solution would be to install video cameras everywhere, but people would probably whine about invasion of privacy and whatnot. Seems like a small price to pay in order to ensure more reliable courtroom evidence, but it seems that not everyone shares the same priorities as criminal lawers.


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Birgit
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Posted:Do athletes actually commit rape or assault more than "normal" people, or are they just more likely to get caught on camera/accused?

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Rouge Dragon
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Posted:well athletes apparently have higher sex drives. something to do with blood and chemical through through the veins.

oh, and footballers are dicks. wink


i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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Kyrian


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Posted:Apparently they're more likely to get out of charges.

I recall that they're in a class which does commit more assualts than *average* but college boys in general apparently commit more than average, and college girls are apparently the most commonly assualted of any group of females.

college reads the american way college/university.


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RayinRed
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Posted:I dont understand how rape could be accidental. Thats like Italy's molestation laws that said if the victim has ever been sexually active (including everything below the neck) that the crime isn't as severe, even for young minors. I think that politicans need a lessen in anatomy.

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FireTom


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Posted:"accidentally" raping someone? umm interesting wording...

oops, sorry didn't mean to, but now I just raped you... may I help you straighten your clothes? Hope you're not mad at me, but Iwas just in such a testosterone rush, because I took the stuff my coach gave me... intense I tell you! maybe double as what you get from viagra! may I compensate you with 50 grand?

Sounds incredibly stupid..

But no sex when drunk? This would drop UK childrate by 86% within a year I guess... close to extinction wink

I like the approach with the signature, though there might be loopholes as Partiarch indicated... To make this bulletproof you will have a disclaimer signed (on the condom-cover), witnesses AND video-documentation anytime you have sex with someone. Of course the disclaimer would have to specify which way/ kind of sex you prefer and it's "roughness" (tick a box)...

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Rouge Dragon
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Posted:Italy's laws say WHAT!??! eek

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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newgabe
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Posted:I doubt that many rapists, athletic or otherwise, use condoms.

.....Can't juggle balls but I sure as hell can juggle details....

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Kyrian


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Posted:You know the number isn't as low as you might think... but nonetheles, the point should be taken...

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Doc Lightning
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Posted: Written by: FireTom


But no sex when drunk? This would drop UK childrate by 86% within a year I guess... close to extinction wink



The positive effect would be that the Chav-to-normal ratio would drop precipitously. wink

The University of Michigan had a policy (might still) whereby students engaging in sexual activity were supposed to specifically ask their partners at each next stage of the encounter if they had their permission to do so. i.e. "Do I have your permission to take off your bra?" "Do I have your permission to lick your redface ?" etc.

So once while I was at U-M my then-boyfriend and I decided to do just this. At each step we had to ask the other if we could do...whatever.

It was actually a lot of fun. ubblol


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