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Posted:
I would surmise that my general outlook in life is international - a view that accepts and values different cultures. I have travelled in too many countries to believe that one particular culture has an inherent superiority over another. Indeed this view of superiority is precisely why the world is in such a mess - you don't have to look further than Iraq to see that.
Having said that I have always thought that, despite however much time I spend abroad, I would end up back in good old Blighty. Purely for the reason that its where my roots are, and roots grow deep.
However certain things are happening in Westminster that are starting to cause me to question whether I want to be in the UK until they are resolved to my satisfaction.
Firstly, the ID bill. So they say it won't be compulsory, fine. I can handle that, just bid my time as a 'non citizen' until the act is repelled. As soon as people start to realise how utterly rubbish it is, having fork out loads of money to prove your identity each time you go for a [censored], I'm sure it won't last long. But the sneaky bastards are making it compulsory by the back door - if you want to renew your passport per chance.
A view from the Left: https://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/henry_porter/2006/03/henry_porter_on_id_cards.html
A view from the Right: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/03/27/do2701.xml
Secondly, the confusingly titled Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill. Which is a sneaky way of letting ministers make any kind of law they like without the hassle of going through any kind of debate. Now if that isn't scary, I don't know what is.
View from the Left: https://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/caroline_lucas/2006/03/blairs_abolition_of_parliament.html
View from the Right: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/03/13/do1302.xml
Well if the Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill comes into force I will certainly consider moving, but if they use it for some draconian law, or the ID is passed... Well that would mean moving to... oh so many options, where to go...?
Or of course I could stand up for what I believe and fight, and I’m sure there’ll be plenty joining me. To find out more about those who have already started the fight see:
https://www.no2id.net/
and
https://www.saveparliament.org.uk/
I would surmise that my general outlook in life is international - a view that accepts and values different cultures. I have travelled in too many countries to believe that one particular culture has an inherent superiority over another. Indeed this view of superiority is precisely why the world is in such a mess - you don't have to look further than Iraq to see that.
Having said that I have always thought that, despite however much time I spend abroad, I would end up back in good old Blighty. Purely for the reason that its where my roots are, and roots grow deep.
However certain things are happening in Westminster that are starting to cause me to question whether I want to be in the UK until they are resolved to my satisfaction.
Firstly, the ID bill. So they say it won't be compulsory, fine. I can handle that, just bid my time as a 'non citizen' until the act is repelled. As soon as people start to realise how utterly rubbish it is, having fork out loads of money to prove your identity each time you go for a [censored], I'm sure it won't last long. But the sneaky bastards are making it compulsory by the back door - if you want to renew your passport per chance.
A view from the Left: https://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/henry_porter/2006/03/henry_porter_on_id_cards.html
A view from the Right: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/03/27/do2701.xml
Secondly, the confusingly titled Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill. Which is a sneaky way of letting ministers make any kind of law they like without the hassle of going through any kind of debate. Now if that isn't scary, I don't know what is.
View from the Left: https://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/caroline_lucas/2006/03/blairs_abolition_of_parliament.html
View from the Right: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/03/13/do1302.xml
Well if the Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill comes into force I will certainly consider moving, but if they use it for some draconian law, or the ID is passed... Well that would mean moving to... oh so many options, where to go...?
Or of course I could stand up for what I believe and fight, and I’m sure there’ll be plenty joining me. To find out more about those who have already started the fight see:
https://www.no2id.net/
and
https://www.saveparliament.org.uk/
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Posted:
if you've seen so many cultures and know that there is no real superiority, then why do you believe your view is right and theirs is wrong?
if you've seen so many cultures and know that there is no real superiority, then why do you believe your view is right and theirs is wrong?
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Location: In a test pit, Mackay, Australia
Posted:
Where would you go?
I've yet to see any country where the people are saying "Yeah, it's great here all right...Woo, we love our politicians!"
Where would you go?
I've yet to see any country where the people are saying "Yeah, it's great here all right...Woo, we love our politicians!"
There is a slight possibility that I am not actually right all of the time.
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Posted:
Mr Majestik:
just because I find value in every culture that I have experienced doesn't mean I can't have an opinion. This is not a case of supiority it is a difference in values; I would, however, never seek to impose my different values.
For example, I find Muslim culture amazing because of the warmth and friendliness of the people I meet, the sense of community they have, the architecture, the music, the spiritualism (Sufism). However I find that in many Muslim countries the treatment of women is abhorant, but I don't go to these countries and tell them that they are wrong; it is for the people of that country to decide.
I use to think the UK was a fantastic place becuase of its multiculturalism (under threat) and its liberalism (under threat). I am a citizen of the UK it is my right, indeed my duty to fight for what I want my country to be.
Eera:
In my post I kind of argued myself into a corner; that I should stay and try to fight the changes that I see. If I really had to leave, then I would find a nice inconspicous island somewhere... New Zealand maybe, or somewhere in Polynesia. Far away from all the bad stuff that may or may not be coming.
If you want to read a fantastic article on why the UK is becoming a scary place to be please read this:
https://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1747771,00.html
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peace, out
Mr Majestik:
just because I find value in every culture that I have experienced doesn't mean I can't have an opinion. This is not a case of supiority it is a difference in values; I would, however, never seek to impose my different values.
For example, I find Muslim culture amazing because of the warmth and friendliness of the people I meet, the sense of community they have, the architecture, the music, the spiritualism (Sufism). However I find that in many Muslim countries the treatment of women is abhorant, but I don't go to these countries and tell them that they are wrong; it is for the people of that country to decide.
I use to think the UK was a fantastic place becuase of its multiculturalism (under threat) and its liberalism (under threat). I am a citizen of the UK it is my right, indeed my duty to fight for what I want my country to be.
Eera:
In my post I kind of argued myself into a corner; that I should stay and try to fight the changes that I see. If I really had to leave, then I would find a nice inconspicous island somewhere... New Zealand maybe, or somewhere in Polynesia. Far away from all the bad stuff that may or may not be coming.
If you want to read a fantastic article on why the UK is becoming a scary place to be please read this:
https://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1747771,00.html
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peace, out
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Posted:
ah yeah, that article is really good, i've forwarded it to all my mates...
ickle, it looks to me like the whole world is slowly but surely going insane - but the uk maybe more than most. like you say, strange goings-on are happening in westminster, and now thanks to the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act, sect 132, you're not even allowed to go within a mile of the houses of parliament to tell them that without asking for permission, that is, i bet, denied more often than not. it's insane, i used to think that brits were well secure in their civil liberties. how quickly things change!
ah yeah, that article is really good, i've forwarded it to all my mates...
ickle, it looks to me like the whole world is slowly but surely going insane - but the uk maybe more than most. like you say, strange goings-on are happening in westminster, and now thanks to the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act, sect 132, you're not even allowed to go within a mile of the houses of parliament to tell them that without asking for permission, that is, i bet, denied more often than not. it's insane, i used to think that brits were well secure in their civil liberties. how quickly things change!
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Location: Manchester
Posted:
Indeed how quickly things change. I was out of the country during the July bombings, but when i returned a month later everything was different; it was a london more like a police state
Westminster was (before the bombings) a place where there were a few coppers with guns sure, but in Autumn last year the level of police in Westminster was truly absurd.
Matt, I can completely see why you want to turn your back (kinda) on the UK. I'm planning on not coming back now for at least another year possibly two...if you come to New Zealand come by and have a juggle
Indeed how quickly things change. I was out of the country during the July bombings, but when i returned a month later everything was different; it was a london more like a police state
Westminster was (before the bombings) a place where there were a few coppers with guns sure, but in Autumn last year the level of police in Westminster was truly absurd. Matt, I can completely see why you want to turn your back (kinda) on the UK. I'm planning on not coming back now for at least another year possibly two...if you come to New Zealand come by and have a juggle
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enthusiast
242 posts
Location: L.O.N.D.O.N.
242 posts
Location: L.O.N.D.O.N.
Posted:
Will!
I'm going back to the UK in August (well thats the plan anyway). But if I decide to leave, or they push me - the one place I definitely would consider going to is New Zealand. Mountains, semi tropical, friendly locals, hitchin is cool, or so many thangs sound good.
So whats this hippie village your hangin at? You must be a super apple picker - no need to move the ladder!
Say hi to Becks for me!
Will!
I'm going back to the UK in August (well thats the plan anyway). But if I decide to leave, or they push me - the one place I definitely would consider going to is New Zealand. Mountains, semi tropical, friendly locals, hitchin is cool, or so many thangs sound good.
So whats this hippie village your hangin at? You must be a super apple picker - no need to move the ladder!
Say hi to Becks for me!
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