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coleman
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Posted:so i'm finally thinking of buying a mac smile

i'm looking at an imac g4 (1.25ghz) with a 17" screen:


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i'll be using it for layout and graphics mainly (running quark and adobe cs2) but would like it to completely replace my pc if at all possible.

i currently use my pc for video editing, watching videos, watching dvd's, playing music and browsing the net, so i don't think a g4 should have any problems doing all that stuff!

the problem is, the last time i used a mac was in 1997 so its safe to say i don't know that much about them...

will i need to look out for one with a hardcore video card if i want to edit video?
how much memory is sufficient to run say illustrator and quark at the same time with a few files loaded?
how easy would it be to replace the hard drive with a larger one?
can i convert my current hard drive to a usb external drive and use it?
will pc peripherals work with a mac (hp scanner, sandisk card reader, svga monitor/projector)?
how much cooler will my ipod look next to an imac? wink
should i keep my pc anyway cos all my friends have them and its easier to have one around than mess about converting files?
can i get good thirdparty software for free like firefox and thunderbird, a download manager, anti-spy/adware, virus checkers and a multi-region dvd player hack so i can play any dvd form any region (this one is *really* important for me)?


i'd also like some general advice please, especially anything important that i should look out for when buying a mac.

if anyone has any experiences that they'd like to share of going from using a pc to using a mac as their main home computer, i'd love to hear about them too.


cheers,


cole. x


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coleman
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Posted:aiden - if you haven't already, i highly recommend joining demonoid.com smile

an angel from on high (well, edinburgh) sent us some apples in the post today, which has made lisa and i very happy bunnies indeed biggrin


cole. x


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ado-p
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Posted:Pen draven... Huh?

Nice one for the link cole... as soon as i get my machine back in ship shape i'll have a look.

My mac got sooooo hijacked as soon as i bought it... i've barely had time to break it, let alone fix it. Im a bit of a geek so i'd be dissapointed if i couldnt break it a bit.

What would you do if you had no tv, loved movies and your flatmate bought a 20" imac...


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coleman
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Posted:leopard ubblove
my favourite part is that expose has been improved in *exactly* the way i wanted it too biggrin

anyone know how easy it is to upgrade hard drives in the old g3 ibooks...?


cole. x


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Posted:Cole,, It's not monsterously hard,, but if memory serves you'll probably need Torx drivers sizes 6 and 8 to undo all the screws (but my memory is rather flakey so could be wrong)

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coleman
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Posted:thanks pen.

i think you can very well expect get a bombardment of mac questions from me again in the coming weeks... ubbangel

much like this one:
if i have a 600mhz g3 ibook, what is the latest mac os that will run on it and where do i obtain a copy from...?


cole. x


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ado-p
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Posted:Sweet



I ubblove expose. love it... and Gestures ubblove



Macs are so cool biggrin


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mcp
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Posted:Can I ask a question? What is the spec of the mac you got cole? Cos I have no idea what mine is.... redface

"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

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Posted:No Worries Mr Cole smile Always glad to help

You should be able to chuck 10.4 on it no worries,, but if its got less than 256 meg of Ram in it it'll struggle a lil so maybe 10.3 might be a better option. You can buy either of those from your local Applestore/ online or just do the usual and errr {cough} angel2

Good lil app i use for mac specs and helpfulness is Mactracker http://www.mactracker.ca/


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Posted:MCP Good way of finding out all your specs is to launch System Profiler (Its in the utilities folder in the Apps folder) All the info you need (and a shedload more) will be listed in there

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coleman
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Posted:thanks mr draven (can i call you nick/nik/nic/gnyq?) hug



meg = the angel i mentioned earlier hug



i found out the specs by removing the keyboard (use the two little slide switches at the top in-between the keys) and looking at the serial sticker above the airport card slot.



they are both 12" dual usb models (from around 2001) and the sticker says something like "600mhz/128mb/15gb/cd", which i guess means its a g3 600mhz processor with a 15 gig hdd, 128 meg of ram and a cd drive smile



of course, if you can turn them on and that, you can just click the apple on the menu bar and go to 'system info' then click the 'more info' button if you need more (this will launch the system profiler app that pen mentioned).



this wiki page lists all the ibook models with basic specs and release dates smile



if when i can turn them on it turn out that they only have a cd drive, i'll be replacing it with a dvd drive.



i only need to get one airport card though as one of them already had one in it! biggrin





right, i'm off to look for 10.3... ubbangel





cole. x


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they do porridge."
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mcp
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Posted:wow, I'll have to find the time at some point this weekend to unfreeze mine and look at it. 10-15bg eh... might just fit my video collection... biggrin

I think the cd drives are all combo dvd cd/rw drives... which should be sweet.


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coleman
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Posted: Written by: mcp



I think the cd drives are all combo dvd cd/rw drives... which should be sweet.





and even if they're not, there's always this bloke:

http://www.powerbookguy.com/newibook.html#storage
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smile





cole. x


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they do porridge."
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Posted:ubblol Cole,, of course you can call me Nik

Some men see things and say why....

I Dream of things that never were and say Why Not....?

Oh No I'm going to get Shot Alive if he finds out - DA wink

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mcp
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Posted:hmmmmmm

"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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coleman
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Posted:ooh meg - what exactly did you do to freeze your ibook...?



just wondering so i don't end up doing the same thing!





cole. x



handylinx:

http://repair4laptop.org/disassembly_apple.html


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they do porridge."
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mcp
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Posted:that os x panther install cd is still in there... and always attempts to boot from it, then fails and stalls. Not that I've actually gone down the paperclip / holding mouse button down route yet... due to busyness...

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coleman
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Posted:do ya think its a dodgy panther install disc problem then?

let me know if you need an alternative wink


cole. x


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they do porridge."
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newgabe
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Posted:Hey chaps

I recall being able to make my iBook a target drive of someone else's iBook by connecting the two with a firewire to firewire cable then holding down apple T during start up on mine. It's not working though when I connect with Dave's.

I know that a firmware password witl lblock that function, but

I don't have firmware password as far as I know...that's not something that would automatically instal with a software update is it??



Or maybe I've just mashed my cable somehow by carting it around?

Clues? confused


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polarity
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Posted:You might need to get into target disk mode, then connect the cables. If it's showing just the disk icon it's in target disk mode.

If you can get into open firmware (Apple+O+F) then you don't have a password (just type boot to carry on booting).

Firmware updates can't be done in OSX anyway, as you need OS 9 for some reason (PITA doing it with a Japanese copy wink).

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A G3 should be fine running OS 10.4, so long as you stuff it with memory. My G3 clamshell (466Mhz) happily took a 512mb SODIMM (more than Apple says it can take), and with 640Mb total runs Tiger well enough. An upgrade to a faster hard drive can help too.


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loki.c1687
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Posted:plz dont buy a mac get a real pc...please!
lot of love
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newgabe
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Posted:Don't be ridiculous

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newgabe
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Posted:Polarity,

thanks for your help: open firmware password wasn't the problem: my memory was.

I just needed to hold *t* not *apple-t* whilst booting my pooter (the target drive)



All sorted and functioning perfectly now. The target drive method is brilliant, so fast for transfers (now I remember how to do it!).


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Loewan
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Posted:This is quite a maxed out Intel Macbook with 2 GHz, 2 GB RAM, and 100 GB HDD. Running an instance of WinXP with 1gb of memory allocated. Pretty insane!








I am still on 10.3 and I am waiting for 10.5 to come out. Some very weird functions for 10.5!

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polarity
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Posted:My interest in computers is at the level of a pathological obsession (I own about 40, entirely as a hobby), and after 17 years of using PCs and MS operating systems, I got my hands on a G3 iBook running OSX (I'll admit OS9 and pre Blue & White powermacs are rubbish). Since then I've sunk more money into my G4 than any PC I've owned, and won't be buying PCs again.


Although when it comes to computer hardware design, you can't beat a Sun Sparc Station 20 wink


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Posted: Written by: coleman


ooh meg - what exactly did you do to freeze your ibook...?




lol. when i was just dicovering the terminal I had intresting results by typing

"sudo kill 1"

didnt exactly freeze it, but i found out what single user mode is....

T wave


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mcp
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Posted:oh it was just a low power problem, works fine when I plugged it in... speaking of which...

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coleman
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Posted: Written by: loki.c1687



plz dont buy a mac get a real pc...please!

lot of love

mike.c





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no, seriously though, good call mike.



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cole. x


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they do porridge."
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Posted: Written by: loki.c1687


plz dont buy a mac get a real pc...please!
lot of love
mike.c



Whats a real PC? confused I'd guass that it would be a UNIX based system with a really nice GUI ubbangel

Or are you talking about Windows? ubblol rolleyes


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Loewan
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Posted: Written by: [Nx?

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 Written by: coleman


ooh meg - what exactly did you do to freeze your ibook...?




lol. when i was just dicovering the terminal I had intresting results by typing

"sudo kill 1"

didnt exactly freeze it, but i found out what single user mode is....

T wave



Now I am going to spend ALL day wanting to type that command in! mad


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Posted:it kills the bootstrap, wich is something important, i think, type it if you like..... but dont run to me saying i broke your computer...

T wave


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