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Rovo
GOLD Member since Jul 2003

Rovo

(the person actually known as Chris Bailey)
Location: Austin, TX, USA

Total posts: 544
Posted:There are a ton of amazing spinners on this site though none of us are at all perfect. I was wondering what moves, patterns, and concepts we all may have neglected or skipped while learning new things. Down the road the most seemingly pointless move can come back and bite you on the butt while trying to learn something more complex. Here are a few from me.

clockwise same direction airwraps ( which is weird cause I do all sorts of stuff with airwraps and hyperloops)
rev btb bf
most of the throws I do with my right hand I can't do with my left

About a month ago while making a combo up I realized I couldn't do a wall plane rev 5 bt weave from back to front on my right side or the same from front to back on my left. This was something I should know how to do in my sleep. You can say I fixed that lil glitch immediately redface


If your new to poi spinning this is a good reminder of why it's best to learn all your moves in all directions and in all the different planes you can. smile


Peace, Love, Circles

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spiralx


spiralx

veteran
Location: London, UK

Total posts: 1376
Posted:My forward BTB weave sucks. As do my BTB butterflies, which is odd because my BTB butterfly WW is fine.

Horizontal stuff I don't bother with.


"Moo," said the happy cow.

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Mr_Chutney
SILVER Member since Apr 2003

Mr_Chutney

Tosser
Location: Herefordshire

Total posts: 1711
Posted:BTB WWs took we an absolute age to learn, and I'm still not totally clean with them. 4 bt windmill I've never got, nor do I want to, and turning windmills is something you don't see much.

I've been working on my btb 3bt weave turning, hoping to build toward btb5bt turning without any probs.

Nice thread smile


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mcp
PLATINUM Member since May 2003

mcp

Flying Water Muppet
Location: Edin-borrow.

Total posts: 5276
Posted:the whole of club swinging. I think I would really get into it, if I ever had time to get into it... frown

"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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Stout
SILVER Member since May 2004

Stout

Pooh-Bah
Location: Canada

Total posts: 1872
Posted:Corkscrew, the hard way. I never really cared about doing this, since i figured whenever I wanted to cork, I'd just do it the easy way, but now I'm working with horizontal under the arm separated antispin pirouettes ( Yuta inspired ) I find i need it. After watching Khan's video, I also want a horiz spiral wrap too.

FWD BTB BF....never bothered with it, and it's somtimes embarrassing when I teach it

FWD BTB weave...dunno, I figured torturing myself learning REV was enough.

Carryovers..little censoreds, love them, but can't do them to save my life, and it's not for lack of trying.

BF handwraps, I've been doing them in REV BF for quite a while, but I just got them FWD last month. I needed these for same time wallplane pendulums--> handwraps.

4BT windmill in split time, I can only sorta do this in one direction.

Giant windmill pirouettes, the hard way..

And probably a whole host of others I'll discover while spinning and thinking about this today.


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spiralx


spiralx

veteran
Location: London, UK

Total posts: 1376
Posted:Heheh, I've found most people don't do windmills the hard way; 4bt windmills are a right pain as well, I can do them, but only if I concentrate on doing them properly. They're definitely not a priority!

"Moo," said the happy cow.

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Bird
GOLD Member since Aug 2003

Bird

now available in "advanced"
Location: Cornwall

Total posts: 6086
Posted:Wow, great thread!

I'm sure theres loads of stuff that I've only learnt one way.

Thread the needle springs to mind, I can do it forwards, but not reverse!

I'm very one-handed with throws, I need to work on that.

I'm sure there must be more but its been a long day!


My state of mind is not yours to define!

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."

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i8beefy2
GOLD Member since Mar 2003

i8beefy2

addict
Location: Ohio, USA

Total posts: 674
Posted:Things I skipped, realized I needed / wanted, and fixed:

BTB forward butterfly - wanted it for wastewraps
Wastewraps (duh smile )
Butterfly variations (TTN opened up so much)
Isolations (Finally! Finally! Yay!!!)
Propper forward hyperloops (skipped straight to outside-inside-outside-inside-outside somehow... I attribute it to plane correction) - which led to:
Plane control (talk about basics... a never ending battle)


Things I still havn't learned:

Bloody long arm stuff
Anti-spin flowers
Forward BTB weave - back of head started hurting smile
Butterfly air wraps
Counter-clockwise airwraps (i'll show you clockwise all day if you show me counter-clockwise Rovo smile ) - workin on it
A lot of between the legs stuff
Thru-wraps
Suicides and whip catches (again, workin on it)

===

Ah I remember back in the day when I only swung a staff around and things were so simple... Poi have made life so much more complicated smile.


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Ange_GSC
SILVER Member since Aug 2005

Ange_GSC

HOP's glowstick ambassador!!
Location: Bay Area, California

Total posts: 128
Posted:I agree with the forward btb weave, I still havent bothered with that one even though I really should.

missegyptology: "I just remember beingall off balance and unicycling really fast down to campus and the arabic was all blurred on the page"

^When Linz pulls an all nighter before Arabic class^

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coleman
SILVER Member since Aug 2002

coleman

big and good and broken
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay

Total posts: 7330
Posted:i've filled in most of the gaps over the years but i still completely suck at same direction reels rolleyes

i think swinging clubs for a couple of weeks will fix this smile

moves i can do but are still so sketchy i never use them are:

clockwise windmills
4bt windmills
anticlockwise airwraps
rev-rev flowers
two of the btb ww's (fwd on left bottom carry and the one that links with that when you turn 180)

stuff i can't do that i should be able to by now but can't:
fwdarms-revpoi flowers
rev antispin weave
4bt btb ww's and 5bt btb weaves
'proper' btb bf ww's


cole. x


"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood

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oli
SILVER Member since Jul 2003

not with cactus
Location: bristol/ southern eastern devo...

Total posts: 2052
Posted:ive got few fairly big gaps:

i cant keep my backwards barrel rolls continuosly bareel rolling
behind the back butterfly waistwraps on my right side are welll sketchiliciuos.
backwards anti weave is sketchy aswell.
and just general freedom with my left arm is a bit [censored], although it is improving, i can nearly wibble with it now.


Me train running low on soul coal
They push+pull tactics are driving me loco
They shouldn't do that no no no

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simian


simian

110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
Location: London

Total posts: 3149
Posted:i no longer do:

butterfly or any opposite direction stuff

horizontal stuff

3 beat weave



can't remember the last time i chased the sun either...



(my reverse antispin weave rocks the party though. in your face cole and oli! tongue wink )


"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."

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coleman
SILVER Member since Aug 2002

coleman

big and good and broken
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay

Total posts: 7330
Posted: Written by: simian


i no longer do:
3 beat weave

my reverse antispin weave rocks the party though.



is that not a big ugly contradiction i see before me mr monkey...? wink


cole. x


"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood

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animatEd
BRONZE Member since Aug 2004

animatEd

1 + 1 = 3
Location: Bristol UK

Total posts: 3540
Posted:also with the butterfly or any same direction stuff...

You showed me a nice move you were practicing whilst I was down there... an airwrap stall which came out into butterfly, I believe...

As for horizontal stuff... I tend to leave that well alone as well...

Just starting to get my reverse antispin weave to work, thanks to Mr. Monkey...

I need to spend more time Spinning with Jon, so that I can steal his crossers and BTB powers from him... I also need to learn to use my left a bit more as well... and learn how to do just one waistwrap, so I can leave the others out wink


Empty your mind. Be formless, Shapeless, like Water.
Put Water into a cup, it becomes the cup, put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, put water into a teapot, it becomes the teapot.
Water can flow, or it can Crash.
Be Water My Friend.

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[Nx?]
BRONZE Member since Nov 2001

[Nx?]

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Europe,Scotland,Both

Total posts: 3749
Posted:poi

This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate
-><- Kallisti

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coleman
SILVER Member since Aug 2002

coleman

big and good and broken
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay

Total posts: 7330
Posted: Written by: [Nx?

]
poi



you forgot sticks too tongue


cole. x


"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood

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Dut
SILVER Member since Mar 2002

lurker
Location: Nashville, TN

Total posts: 380
Posted:sticks.
anti-spin anything (tho i'm getting into it).
flowers (getting into).
atomic anything (still skipping this one).
reels (these hate me).
pirouettes of any sort (i'm getting to 360s).


things i see missing constantly from others spinning:

counterclockwise corkscrew, turning left first evar, over the head butterfly turns / weaves of any sort (same as chutneys's, but rarer i think), any plane-breaking/time-breaking (go oli!), flipping the horizontal buzzsaw, buzzsaw handcuff wraps, ...


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NYC


NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA

Total posts: 9232
Posted: Written by: [Nx?

]
poi



Yup. smile


Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]

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KaelGotRice
GOLD Member since Jul 2003

KaelGotRice

Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
Location: Angel's Landing, USA

Total posts: 1584
Posted:what are these "moves" thouest speaketh of? biggrin

To do: More Firedrums 08 video?
Wildfire/US East coast fire footage
LA/EDC glow/fire footage
Fresno fire

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ubbrollsmile.gif" alt="" />

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spiralx


spiralx

veteran
Location: London, UK

Total posts: 1376
Posted:Don't start mister! rolleyes
EDITED_BY: spiralx (1142893132)


"Moo," said the happy cow.

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[Nx?]
BRONZE Member since Nov 2001

[Nx?]

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Europe,Scotland,Both

Total posts: 3749
Posted:hahaha,

I love the way you cant quopte me properly

 Written by: [Nx?

] like this you get the spare ]



This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate
-><- Kallisti

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infinite


infinite

member
Location: ashland OR

Total posts: 110
Posted:I dont do reverse reverse flowers, chase the sun in reverse 3bt or turning chase the sun on plane. I can barely turn the BTB forwards weave to my left to rev BTB weave, the extra butterfly beat with my left arm over my right arm, the full WW butterfly on left -BTB butterfly-WW butterfly on RT combo. Perfect rev isolations, 3 beat weave isolated.....

dont make peoples heads turn, give them whiplash.

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GeoffonTour04
SILVER Member since Nov 2005

enthusiast
Location: Oxford

Total posts: 360
Posted:I haven't missed any moves/transitions out yet, but I've only just started so I'm still on beginner stuff & I've been deliberately trying not to miss any out, cause I vastly prefer improvising to though out/practiced sequences and you have to be comfortable doing everthing the 'wrong' (unnatural) way to have creative freedom with turns etc.

Some things I've yet to learn to complete my current complement of 'moves'

4bt windmill clockwise
4bt inwards TTN (just needs cleaning really)
Rev 5bt weave (just needs cleaning)
Forward btb 3bt weave (only just learned rev so I'm givin it some time)

Gonna move onto the flower family & continue working on BTB stuff, I'm practicing leading everything with my left hand just because it feels wrong, hopefully it'll be as confident as my right hand soon.

There are loads & loads of wrap combos I need to learn, I keep putting rest beats on the off hand or both hands between wraps & I want to be able to go fluidly all over without a break at all, for that 'glowstringing' effect smile


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[Nx?]
BRONZE Member since Nov 2001

[Nx?]

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Europe,Scotland,Both

Total posts: 3749
Posted:great work.

This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate
-><- Kallisti

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TinklePants
GOLD Member since Jul 2005

TinklePants

Clique Infiltrator, Cunning Linguist and Master Debator
Location: Edinburgh burgh burrrrrr

Total posts: 4217
Posted: Written by: Nx?


hahaha,

I love the way you cant quopte me properly





Thats because you got stupid square bracket thingies in your username lol ubbrollsmile i just remove them!


Always use "so's your face" and "only on Tuesdays" in as many conversations possible

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pricklyleaf
SILVER Member since Mar 2005

pricklyleaf

with added berries
Location: Manchester

Total posts: 1365
Posted:btb weave, I'm ashamed to admit. I can do it now, poorly (one black eye later) but I just never bothered learning it before (its just like a weave only in a different place), but then it was getting embarrasing when people kept asking me to teach them it. Also I don't really do any hyperloop stuff, I just haven't concentrated on that area of moves, I'm definatetly more of a flower person.

Live like there is no tomorrow,
dance like nobody is watching
and hula hoop like wiggling will save the world.

What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.

Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Fire Taiger


Fire Taiger

member


Total posts: 105
Posted:don't fell bad, can't even begin to btb weave, i get like 3 on each side then bruise a rib. i'm happy to finally be getting tosses though.

The quest for poi perfection may bring much enlightenment...
and burns
OOUUUUCCCHHHHIIIEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

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_Aime_
SILVER Member since Jan 2004

_Aime_

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Hastings

Total posts: 4172
Posted:I've been spinning over 2 years, and didn't learn how to do reverse TTN until just before christmas :o ubblol

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Invader Xan
SILVER Member since May 2005

Invader Xan

Your friendly neighbourhood mad scientist
Location: Over the hills and far away

Total posts: 479
Posted:I didn't realise exactly how shocking the gap in my knowledge was! I went straight from learning a 3-bt to reverse 3-bt to learning a 5-bt! Maybe I should actually bother to learn some more butterfly moves or reels sometime... =)

"Love the art in yourself and not yourself in the art."
--Konstantin Stanislavisky

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Boz
BRONZE Member since Sep 2004

Boz

sober
Location: Bury St. Edmunds, suffolk

Total posts: 109
Posted:each time i learnt a new weave i pretty much stopped using the old ones, trying to sort that out now, since i realised i cant just do btb 5bt all day ubblol
a lot of my stuff is pretty right side heavy too (right handed y'see)
hadn't even thought of turning with a windmill till yesterday... (oh, and what's this 'hard way' to do windmills and corkscrews??)


*produces sandwich- is happy*

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Stout
SILVER Member since May 2004

Stout

Pooh-Bah
Location: Canada

Total posts: 1872
Posted:The hard way is just that....You know. Take the windmill, you probably find it easier to spin it in one direction as opposed to the other. The terms are properly CW and CCW however these differ in difficulty for different people, hence the hard and easy terminology.

Pricklyleaf, I'm ignoring hyperloops too, no reason, just not interested, guess that makes me old school.

I'd like to add horizontal BF buzzsaw, mainly because I can't figure out anything to do with this move that I don't do with the same direction one


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