Holistic Spinner (I hope)
Written by: coleman
duvan - your way of determining the best is highly flawed:
it doesn't determine 'the best spinner' at all - it simply determines 'the best of the performances on the night according to the lay audience (or peers if you go the oscar route) that saw it'.
the spinner that that particular audience likes best is not definitively the best since, for example, i may well be able to do everything they did in their performance (possibly to a higher level) yet chose to not include it in my performance
Written by: duvan
ok, let me be the party-pooper but I say there is a way to find out who is the best spinner in the world
just gather the most advanced and talented spinners
have an audience of about 2000 people
and then let them rate the different performances
and - wohoo - you WILL have a winner, mo matter how close the decision is
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
Written by: NYC
ok, let me be the party-pooper but I say there is a way to find out who is the best spinner in the world
I guess that proves that George Bush the best president.
Well done.
Written by: ZeroG
[...],near no doping[...]
"God *was* my co-pilot, but then we crashed, and I had to eat him..."
Written by: alphalight
every spinner got something what another do not have
Written by: Chronofracture
New spinners should be banned from using the internet, and sent away to develop their own style.
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A critique of figure Skating as a sport while being an artform
We all know the comparison for glowsticking and glowstringing to the Olympics in regards to competition. Here is a brief list of reasons why even Olympic figure skating cannot go past the limitations of trying to judge what is fundamentally art. While this article focuses on "values"-- that falling down is worse than grace and fluidity-- it serves to illustrate the problems associated with judging a dance.
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It's astounding that figure skating maintains its self-image as an art form in the face of so much flopping. According to the rules, an athlete must display flow, finesse, and an "effortless movement in time to the music." She has to skate with style and clarity, "according to the principles of proportion, unity, space, pattern structure, and phrasing." In other words, she can't just jump and spin—she has to dance.
Why the point system leads to less art and grace.Written by:
f one of the goals of figure skating is to make it look easy, no one succeeds. To win the gold, you have to abandon any pretense of "effortless movement," and use the fanciest moves you can to scare up points. Never mind that it makes you look like a bungling oaf.
Why it encourages less artistry, more points.Written by:
You can't blame the skaters for this—they're just trying to win. It's the scoring system that sets us up for the fall. Until a few years ago, judges rated a performance with two fairly subjective numbers. The first mark, for technique, reflected the difficulty of the program and the cleanness of its execution. You could pump up your technical mark by trying harder jumps, but if you fell down, you'd get a major deduction. The second mark, for presentation, was supposed to reflect the artistry of your performance.
"Judging" System leads to all sorts of problems and biases.Written by:
The system came tumbling down after 2002's Skategate scandal. The International Skating Union updated its rules, making the technical score far more precise, while still allowing the judges to rate artistic presentation with their usual whimsy
Skaters learn to tweak the system.Written by:
With such explicit scoring rules, skaters have learned to pad their numbers. A brief look at the chart reveals that a string of fancy moves done badly is worth a whole lot more than a string of simple moves done with grace and élan. What about tumbling on your ass?
Some beautiful moves are lost at the expense of points and crowd pleasers.Written by:
What about those effortless, eye-blurring spins? I've always found them to be the most compelling part of a skater's performance. Nobody ever falls while doing a spin, but they're thrilling and graceful nonetheless. Some skaters are clearly better at spinning than others, but none of that matters in the end: In terms of scoring, the spin is a chintzy move. One of the highest-scoring spins you can possibly do—a perfectly executed flying change foot combination level four—is worth just five points. You could pick up that pocket change just by flubbing a triple axelWritten by:
The very definition of an "art" means that it is a form of expression. Expressions of your inner-self are completely irrelevant to those of others; they are not meant to be compared to those of others. There is no objective criterion to do so, either. Right now, the only types of competitions that I can think of, where an objective judge can be placed, are those based on time - essentially races of any type, to determine who is the fastest. Otherwise, I don't see how competition can be done legitimately.
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- much like how jumps will net you more points in the current scoring system, a [popularity contest] means everyone will only focus on "crowd pleasing moves."
- most audience also does not understand the difficulty of some moves, actually, they probably can't distinguish between many different moves. i'm sure everyone has heard non-glowstickers say, "everything looks the same."
that's why its important to keep glowsticking non-competitive, especially because the culture and philosophy behind this dance is also strongly non-competitive.
I've always considered poi to be art, moreso than a "fun hobby", my way of self expression and an outlet of my feelings. I hope that I'm able to show that to you all someday or have in my spinning videos, which will have to hold until I can travel to meet everyoneTo do: More Firedrums 08 video?
Wildfire/US East coast fire footage
LA/EDC glow/fire footage
Fresno fire
Written by: coleman
having said that (and this may be because i don't spend as much time spinning as i used to, or possibly even because i am older now and don't see things the way i used to) i find that the london scene is not as vibrant or as full of ambitious, enthusiastic (techy) poi spinners as it was a couple of years ago.
Written by: ado-p
What do i love about the spinning community? The sense of 'massive extended family' i get from it is right up ther at the top of the list.
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What meg said about people learning to fast. But that probably says more about teaching skills.... And i really get frusrated when people just dont get things that i take completly for granted. Like planes. Muscle memory and a firgure of eight. In short. I wish i was a better teacher.
Written by: andrealess
Oh you guys, of course there can be a best spinner.
*Stage whisper*
its ME, of course!
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
Written by: Rev
you simply can't compare.. good spinning is like good art.. it simply is..
Because ActiveAngel sounds like a feminine deodorant
Like sex, I'm much more interesting in real life than online.
'Be the change you want to see in the world around you' - Ghandi
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
-Such a price the gods exact for song: to become what we sing
-Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
-When the center of the storm does not move, you are in its path.
It is our fantasies that make us real. Without our fantasies we're just a blank monkey' - Terry Pratchett
Maybe I should change this too something abit nicer, humm no I still think your all Ct
Written by: arashi
yeah why aren't there any arashi jokes in this thread yet?
i must be gettin rusty, my legacy has faltered.
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
Let's turn those old bridges we crossed into ashes.
We'll blaze a new trail,
and torch the rough patches.
-Me
Let's turn those old bridges we crossed into ashes.
We'll blaze a new trail,
and torch the rough patches.
-Me
To do: More Firedrums 08 video?
Wildfire/US East coast fire footage
LA/EDC glow/fire footage
Fresno fire
Written by: mcp
But I think you need to quit with the use of ... (I also need to) and start structuring your sentences better. (no offence it's just your posts are hard to read cos they read just like your thoughts. If telepathy was easy everybody would be doing it.)
Written by: mcp
I don't think it's so much that we've trained ourselves into habits of spinning, but that we forget how long things took to learn in the beginning and that we expect more sooner now that we're more experienced (and to a large degree more and sooner is true but sometimes it's that same old slog again.)
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Written by: duvan
Now there is one question I would love to ask Robbo
Do you have any regrets?
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Your thread is like "I had a bad motivation and finally found a purer
one".
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When I started spinning a few years ago I watched all of your videos. I
remember you writing when I asked you how to improve my style "Practise like
. If you get tired practise more. If it starts to hurt practise even
more. Practise, practise, practise."
With these 3 sentences you really motivated me enough to push myself higher
and higher. You were so to say my only teacher.
So my motivation was to become just as good as you or even better. And I do
not have regrets.
When I met you the first time at the BJC 2004 in Derby I recognized that you
were not that brilliant as you were in your videos. You did not play that
clean and smooth. So please don't be mad with me for being honest
but this was a very important insight for me.
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I started to find out that the way you played in "real life" was not the way
I wanted to play my poi. So I started to develope my own things, my own style
and so on. You see I almost had the same motivation as you had. So one might
think "this poor lil' stubborn boy never felt the real joy of poi" but hell I
did. The "new" motivation for spinning is simply to move my body, listen to
some music and being glad. But it is not that much better than the old one. It
is not more prudent or even fulfilling. Sometimes I miss this personal
challenge, this thrilling feeling of competition
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No one of you saw me really spinning since there isn't anybody living in the
Bavarian forest who also takes part in these spinnish things. This is what
made me some kind of bystander concerning the international spinning
community. And this gave me enough distance from all of you to be some kind of
opposition to the typical "we-love-all" mentality
Holistic Spinner (I hope)
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i want to know how people feel spinning is developing and has changed since you started. i want to know what you respect about people that inspire you, and how you feel that inspiration is good for the community at large. i want to know what you don't like about the new spinning community, and how it has been belittled by its incredible growth.
Holistic Spinner (I hope)
Holistic Spinner (I hope)
Pour vous servir.
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^When Linz pulls an all nighter before Arabic class^