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Forums > Advanced Poi Moves > Theory of plane unity
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-PLANE CREATION
(This thread could not be done, without Rev and his shine on.)
*...........................Hand.
/ ...........................Poi tale.
o...........................Poi head.
|............................Plane.
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SPACE
"There is space made by hand. It is hand plane."
"There is space made by Poi head. It is Poi plane."
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There are two and they have no name. Called wall plane and wheel plane as kind of stance to them.
Code:
| ..... Poi plane.
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o
/ |
| / |
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*
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|....... Hand plane
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FRAME
"The space where one hand and Poi can spin in."
Weave as we know it, is spinning two different halves of two different weaves. The opposite halves are insides.
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Weave - Spinning outside hand and body. (between hand plane and buzzsaw)
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Inside - Spinning between hand and body. (Hand plane mirror the two halves of weave.)
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Inversion - Spinning with crossed hands in buzzsaw.
Frame - One hand and one Poi space.
Code: o o
\ /
*
/ \
o o
When you copy the frame, buzzsaw appear there, where was only weave before. Buzzsaw connect two frames together.
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Buzzsaw - Spinnig between hands, has same name like Poi plane.
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PLANE CREATION
Lets take two different parallel planes, perpendicular to the ground. Lest say we are inside of them and our body is perpendicular to them and say we are in wheel plane. Lest say we are inside of them and our body is parallel to them and we are in wall plane.
There is only one space to make buttefly or inside. Imagine butterfly and stick your head in moment when the hands cross. The Poi can go in thread the needle(plane overlap) or into inside as the second halve of weave.
Putting it togerther there are four kinds of plane shaping
Wall and wheel plane------------------------------------------Inversion
Buzzsaw ---------------------------------------------------------Framing
Butterfly, Weave-------------------------------------------------Overlap
Horizontal planes------------------------------------------------Rotation
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"ROTATION"
0 - Start.
Code: o o
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* *
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60 - Trinity
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90 - Atom and box.
Code: o o
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* *
180 - Turn.
360 - Skirt and pirouette.
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END
For more about framing look in
Negative space and framing and cyclic deconstructionism within the framework post-modernist poi.
for more about Plane rotation, look in
Atomcraft by [Nx?] and 3D spinning that puts together rest of them.
love and light,
:R
-FRAME
-PLANE CREATION
(This thread could not be done, without Rev and his shine on.)
*...........................Hand.
/ ...........................Poi tale.
o...........................Poi head.
|............................Plane.
*************************************
*************************************
SPACE
"There is space made by hand. It is hand plane."
"There is space made by Poi head. It is Poi plane."
Non-Https Image Link
Non-Https Image Link
There are two and they have no name. Called wall plane and wheel plane as kind of stance to them.
Code:
| ..... Poi plane.
|
o
/ |
| / |
|/
*
|
|....... Hand plane
*************************************
*************************************
FRAME
"The space where one hand and Poi can spin in."
Weave as we know it, is spinning two different halves of two different weaves. The opposite halves are insides.
Non-Https Image Link
Weave - Spinning outside hand and body. (between hand plane and buzzsaw)
Non-Https Image Link
Inside - Spinning between hand and body. (Hand plane mirror the two halves of weave.)
Non-Https Image Link
Inversion - Spinning with crossed hands in buzzsaw.
Frame - One hand and one Poi space.
Code: o o
\ /
*
/ \
o o
When you copy the frame, buzzsaw appear there, where was only weave before. Buzzsaw connect two frames together.
Non-Https Image Link
Buzzsaw - Spinnig between hands, has same name like Poi plane.
*************************************
*************************************
PLANE CREATION
Lets take two different parallel planes, perpendicular to the ground. Lest say we are inside of them and our body is perpendicular to them and say we are in wheel plane. Lest say we are inside of them and our body is parallel to them and we are in wall plane.
There is only one space to make buttefly or inside. Imagine butterfly and stick your head in moment when the hands cross. The Poi can go in thread the needle(plane overlap) or into inside as the second halve of weave.
Putting it togerther there are four kinds of plane shaping
Wall and wheel plane------------------------------------------Inversion
Buzzsaw ---------------------------------------------------------Framing
Butterfly, Weave-------------------------------------------------Overlap
Horizontal planes------------------------------------------------Rotation
Written by:
"ROTATION"
0 - Start.
Code: o o
| |
* *
Non-Https Image Link
60 - Trinity
Non-Https Image Link
90 - Atom and box.
Code: o o
| |
* *
180 - Turn.
360 - Skirt and pirouette.
*********************************
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END
For more about framing look in
Negative space and framing and cyclic deconstructionism within the framework post-modernist poi.
for more about Plane rotation, look in
Atomcraft by [Nx?] and 3D spinning that puts together rest of them.
love and light,
:R
POI THEO(R)IST
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Posted:Written by: i8beefy2
Ok so (excuse this) a buzzsaw is by definition an inversion, as it is a single poi plane "framed" by two hand planes? Or is framing more complicated in this?
honestly it depends on which weave you are doin. there are so many ways to enter a "buzzsaw" if even for an instant, that it's a bit more complicated, or rather not a very good way to look at spinning (it's a "move" after all), which is why i always endorsed not using the term or the concept of the "move"
IOW yes it is an inversion... but there are also moves that involve moving THROUGH what is called a buzzsaw for a moment, that are called insides, and we are clarifying the relationships.
Ok so (excuse this) a buzzsaw is by definition an inversion, as it is a single poi plane "framed" by two hand planes? Or is framing more complicated in this?
honestly it depends on which weave you are doin. there are so many ways to enter a "buzzsaw" if even for an instant, that it's a bit more complicated, or rather not a very good way to look at spinning (it's a "move" after all), which is why i always endorsed not using the term or the concept of the "move"
IOW yes it is an inversion... but there are also moves that involve moving THROUGH what is called a buzzsaw for a moment, that are called insides, and we are clarifying the relationships.
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-Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
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Posted:While I wait for clarification...
You mean a buzzsaw weave Arashi? What is the difference between an inversion and an inside? Does an inside refer only to the buzzsaw pattern?
You mean a buzzsaw weave Arashi? What is the difference between an inversion and an inside? Does an inside refer only to the buzzsaw pattern?
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Posted:check out my second post on the second page...
I talk about why buzzsaws arent just two insides... the discussion (though not specifically) talks about a little of what arashi is getting at..
I talk about why buzzsaws arent just two insides... the discussion (though not specifically) talks about a little of what arashi is getting at..
More useless information courtesy of Rev...
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Posted:Never mind. I'll wait for the videos. I understood inversions, and I understand alot of what you're on about about the planes and such... but insides just confused me...
The only thing that I can picture from all that is half a weave in the outside plane, a half-beat or single-beat of a buzzsaw between arms and body (what I always called "buzzsaws next to the body"...) and then a return to the outside plane. In essence not really different than a buzzsaw weave that doesn't cross all the way over. If this is what I think it is then I think "insides" are knitpicking, personally. Just means you can take a regular buzzsaw weave but do the buzzsaw part under your armpit all ninja-like...
Once I started reading about the differences in which way your hands are facing I got all confused... The above is the only way I see such a thing working, so I THINK it's right... I mean otherwise you would have to bring the poi up between your crossed arms, and then you have an inversion.
ie a 0 degree inversion (uncrossed inversion) is a buzzsaw or an inside, and a 1 degree and up inversion is a true inversion?
The only thing that I can picture from all that is half a weave in the outside plane, a half-beat or single-beat of a buzzsaw between arms and body (what I always called "buzzsaws next to the body"...) and then a return to the outside plane. In essence not really different than a buzzsaw weave that doesn't cross all the way over. If this is what I think it is then I think "insides" are knitpicking, personally. Just means you can take a regular buzzsaw weave but do the buzzsaw part under your armpit all ninja-like...
Once I started reading about the differences in which way your hands are facing I got all confused... The above is the only way I see such a thing working, so I THINK it's right... I mean otherwise you would have to bring the poi up between your crossed arms, and then you have an inversion.
ie a 0 degree inversion (uncrossed inversion) is a buzzsaw or an inside, and a 1 degree and up inversion is a true inversion?
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Posted:sorry bizzy! there's much more of a difference than what you described. also the difference becomes much more prevalent in atomics. so soon...
-Such a price the gods exact for song: to become what we sing
-Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
-When the center of the storm does not move, you are in its path.
Posted:Oh. I never bothered with those cause they looked like (semi) controlled flailing to me. Or maybe I just havn't seen anyone do them well. So I have no idea how things go if you start talking about atomics.
Sigh... why is it all the people who can do these things never have the time to make videos? (hint hint! ) I will even offer space for them.
Sigh... why is it all the people who can do these things never have the time to make videos? (hint hint!
) I will even offer space for them.Delete
Posted:I've edited wronk fron page linking and add Plane Rotation.
You have 360 degrees to move plane. Atoms are part of Poi planes manipulation. It is it's rotation, close to the ball.
I like 360 BF flowering and 180 double snakes
light,
:R
You have 360 degrees to move plane. Atoms are part of Poi planes manipulation. It is it's rotation, close to the ball.
I like 360 BF flowering and 180 double snakes
light,
:R
POI THEO(R)IST
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I add some pitures to make it more readable,
hope you like it.
lightning,
:R
I add some pitures to make it more readable,
hope you like it.
lightning,
:R
POI THEO(R)IST
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