i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey
Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...
Written by: Doc Lightning
Iran has opened a contest (open internationally, of course) for those who can make cartoons about the Holocaust.
I suppose that action drives the point home to me. What they are saying is that to make this cartoon is about as offensive as poking fun at the Holocaust. And that's a statement I can respect.
I hope that Jews worldwide will rise above this by ignoring it...and those who cannot ignore it I hope will protest peacefully and show that they are better than those who demonstrated voilently.
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Written by: Seye
The cartoons in the Danish paper were satire relating to the state of the world today.
This Iranian competition is designed to cause offence.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
Written by: onewheeldaveWritten by: Seye
The cartoons in the Danish paper were satire relating to the state of the world today.
This Iranian competition is designed to cause offence.
Muslims do not appreciate or value satire in the way that some westerners do- most muslims, including those who did not violently protest, found the cartoons grossly offensive.
You're not part of the muslim culture, what they find offensive/inoffensive is not the same as what you find offensive/inoffensive.
As for the intent behind the Iranian competition, and indeed the many other cartoons currently being put out by some muslim groups (one for example showing Anne Franke (a jew persecuted and killed by Nazis) in bed witrh Hitler)- I'm sure that, for some, causing offense is the motive.
Others though, are simply trying to convey to those westerners who cannot comprehend why the original cartoons were so offensive, why they were.
They're trying to demonstrate 'double-standards', ultimately, they're trying to convey to non-muslims their point of view and feelings on the matter.
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
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.....just arguing the point for the sake of creating the counter argument.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
Written by: OWD
the myth being perpetuated by the western media that we have total free-speech, that anything goes.
"beg beg grovel beg grovel"
"master"
--FSA
"There was an arse there, i couldn't help myself"
--Rougie
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And yet, we can bag out christianity as much as we like. Odd, huh?
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
There's too many home fires burning and not enough trees
"beg beg grovel beg grovel"
"master"
--FSA
"There was an arse there, i couldn't help myself"
--Rougie
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Can you imagine if Christianity rose up and bombed stuff every time someone said jesus, god, or holy in vain? Do you think that would be put up with?
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
Ancient wiseman say "It is very strange person, who, when left alone in room with teacosy, does not try it on"
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
Ancient wiseman say "It is very strange person, who, when left alone in room with teacosy, does not try it on"
'If your deeds shouldn't be known, perhaps they shouldn't be done, if your words shouldn't be shared, perhaps they shouldn't be spoken. Act with attention, for all your acts have consequences" (Rabbi Judah HaNassi)
'If your deeds shouldn't be known, perhaps they shouldn't be done, if your words shouldn't be shared, perhaps they shouldn't be spoken. Act with attention, for all your acts have consequences" (Rabbi Judah HaNassi)
'If your deeds shouldn't be known, perhaps they shouldn't be done, if your words shouldn't be shared, perhaps they shouldn't be spoken. Act with attention, for all your acts have consequences" (Rabbi Judah HaNassi)
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
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Every conversation quickly comes round to the subject, and opinion has become sharply polarised. The majority of Danes can't see what the fuss is about - a "storm in a teacup", said one, while Danish Muslims are incensed by what they see as only the latest evidence of an increasingly Islamophobic country.
Such sharp divisions over Islam have become a characteristic over the last 10 years in Denmark, profoundly shaking its sense of identity as tolerant and egalitarian. What the cartoon issue has exposed to global scrutiny is the passionate and often ugly debate here about what Denmark's 170,000 Muslims have to do to integrate.
At the centre of the storm over the publication of the cartoons depicting the prophet Muhammad is Ahmad Akkari. He has the role of explaining the Muslim position to an increasingly irritated Danish audience who are now seriously alarmed that this row is threatening the security of Danes in the Middle East and damaging economic interests.
"We are against censorship. We believe in free speech. Many of us fled our countries because of the lack of free speech," insists Mr Akkari, a social worker. "But what we told the editor of Jyllands-Posten (the paper which first printed the cartoons last September) is that they had picked the wrong test case for this freedom. They've picked on one of the most marginalised communities in this country, one that has many social problems and who have been struggling against Islamophobia here.'
Mr Akkari, 28, believes the cartoons were gratuitous and tasteless. He argues that it is his right to free speech to criticise the newspaper for associating all Muslims with violence by illustrating the Prophet with a bomb in his turban.
He is baffled why other European newspapers have chosen to inflame the situation by reprinting the cartoons. "From the start, we haven't asked the government to apologise. All we wanted was a clear stand from them that Muslims' freedom of belief would be safeguarded. From the newspaper, we want a clear apology."
Opinion polls indicate that 70% of Danes thought it was right to publish the cartoons, and every Dane prefaces their remarks with a fervent declaration of the importance of free speech. Many argue that if someone comes to their country, they must accept its values.
But those on the left fear the cartoons were the last straw for Muslims antagonised by an increasingly xenophobic attitude towards immigrants. They struggle to reconcile two conflicting principles - free speech and tolerance. What is now at stake is not just Denmark's reputation for tolerance and espousal of human rights but the Danes' very sense of national identity.
"I'm ashamed. As a young man, I travelled around the world and I was convinced that we had the best country and that we had found the solution to living together," says Martin Lidegaard a member of parliament for the opposition party, the Radical Liberals. "I was very proud but I'm not now."
Meanwhile, among Copenhagen Muslims there is real fury. Abubeker Idris pours out a bitter story of how he has tried to establish himself in Denmark over the last 20 years, but despite qualifications and perfect Danish, he has had more than 500 job rejections. He is now working as a taxi driver. "If there was a point to the cartoons, it might be differ ent but what purpose do they serve? I respect Danish laws and pay my taxes, why can't they respect my feelings? I'm still called a foreigner. A member of the parliament called Muslims a cancer in Denmark, kill the cancer or it will kill you, she said - and no one challenged her."
(Note from Nephtys: this is what the “Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer” placard was referring to. Both the parliamentarian’s comment and the placard are extremely nasty, but when a member of the government says something like this they represent a nation)
For Manu Saleem, a Copenhagen councillor, the cartoons have been seized upon by Muslim groups as concrete proof of the Islamophobia they experience in Denmark, he says. A Dane of Indian background and a non-Muslim, he recognises the importance of freedom of speech to Danes - "they believe it is a Danish invention" - but he also insists: "If you have free speech, you also have a responsibility towards the people you are speaking about."
His concern is how the current crisis will deepen the segregation which has developed in Denmark over the last decade as Muslims have clustered in ghettos in its major cities, particularly in Copenhagen. One third of school children in the capital are from ethnic minorities. "Research last year showed that more and more of the ethnic minorities here don't feel they are Danish and don't feel any obligation to Danish society. At the same time, 50% of 'ethnic Danes' say they don't want to have any contact with ethnic minorities."
Ethnic minorities are disproportionately likely to be unemployed or in low paid jobs, but the most worrying trend to Mr Saleem is that of those who leave school at 16 without basic reading and writing skills, 56% are from ethnic minority backgrounds. One of the most expensive education systems in the world is failing them. For a small country which prides itself on a highly educated, skilled workforce, the chances of these young people getting jobs are small.
"In 1980, there were 40,000 immigrants and by 2020 there will be 471,000 on current trends, and there is a real danger that the underclass will get much bigger," said Mr Saleem.
LOAD-DATE: February 3, 2006
everyone's unique except me
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
'If your deeds shouldn't be known, perhaps they shouldn't be done, if your words shouldn't be shared, perhaps they shouldn't be spoken. Act with attention, for all your acts have consequences" (Rabbi Judah HaNassi)
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
Written by: Gremlin LouLou
The palistinians have themselves and other muslim countries to blame for losing their land. They invaded Israel on the day of its conception. And they lost. So they lost their land. When they invaded, they ran that risk. If you do that, you then can't go crying to Mummy that you lost and you want your stuff back.
Written by: Gremlin LouLou
Also, Muslims in this country are NOT treated badly and they should stop saying the are. I'm sorry, but lack of education is all down to support recieved at home - they went through the same Educational System as the rest of us. There are always going to be people who leave school with low qualifications - whether Muslim, White, Brown, Sikh, Hindu or Blue Spotted with pink hair. But its down mostly to support at home - I left school with good qualifications because I worked hard and had the support at home. If you don't have that, you won't do well and you only have yourselves or your support network to blame.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Written by: Nephtys
Sorry, this is going to be really long!.....
Written by: Gremlin LouLou
The palistinians have themselves and other muslim countries to blame for losing their land. They invaded Israel on the day of its conception. And they lost. So they lost their land. When they invaded, they ran that risk. If you do that, you then can't go crying to Mummy that you lost and you want your stuff back.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
'If your deeds shouldn't be known, perhaps they shouldn't be done, if your words shouldn't be shared, perhaps they shouldn't be spoken. Act with attention, for all your acts have consequences" (Rabbi Judah HaNassi)
Written by: FireTom
Besides it would be a very good example if the (intellectually) stronger would provide some benefit the one who comes with a weaker background... We can all win...
"beg beg grovel beg grovel"
"master"
--FSA
"There was an arse there, i couldn't help myself"
--Rougie
Written by: MiG
I'd say that it wouldn't be too easy for a perfectly spoken, well qualified american, briton, or aussie to jet a job in a muslim country.
Ancient wiseman say "It is very strange person, who, when left alone in room with teacosy, does not try it on"
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