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Pele
Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA
Member Since: 15th Dec 2000
Total posts: 6193
Posted:Being the absolute non-patriot that I am I found this statement fascinating and true...and scary...

"There is a point where Patriotism becomes Hatriotism, and that is when it gets scary."

I thought it was very profound...especially because I live in area where it is pretty split between people irrate with the gov't and the Hatriots...and it really is un-nerving.


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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KaelGotRice
KaelGotRice

Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
Location: Angel's Landing, USA
Member Since: 21st Jul 2003
Total posts: 1584
Posted:I was having a discussion late last night with some lady after a party.

She was going on about how 99% of Muslims/Islamics wish for the destruction of Israel and the "western way of life". I was seriously appalled and saddened by the amount of discrimination as she carried on.

When I told her otherwise, that of all the Islamics I've been to school with, NONE have advocated destruction of the US, she merely waved it off as a fluke, or even suggesting that my Muslim friends were "jihadists in disguise".

Let's just say American "patriotism" is extremely bugging me right now. frown


To do: More Firedrums 08 video?
Wildfire/US East coast fire footage
LA/EDC glow/fire footage
Fresno fire

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Mr Majestik
Mr Majestik

coming to a country near you
Location: home of the tiney toothy bear
Member Since: 9th Mar 2004
Total posts: 4693
Posted:booo for hatriotism frown its sad how true it is that people who give the most advice need the most themselves.

"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"

jointly owned by Fire_Spinning_Angel and Blu_Valley

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FireTom
Stargazer

Member Since: 20th Sep 2003
Total posts: 6650
Posted:Yeah - I am NOT looking forward to the soccer championships in Germany this year as I already hear everyone talk of "us" winning/ loosing against "them"... rolleyes

"hatriotism" is "nazi" (an extreme form of nationalism) - no matter where it comes from and who articulates it.

And it's also very sad that the media contribute a great deal to it for the short term profit only...


the best smiles are the ones you lead to wink

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Lemonkey
Lemonkey

Stalking amidst the desert, carrying an oversized scalpel...
Location: Huddersfield + Hull Uni... UK.
Member Since: 1st Aug 2005
Total posts: 1019
Posted:American patriotism is bordering on jingoism. It annoys me.

Willy - is bad for your health...

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Loki_the_trickster
Loki_the_trickster

Has sharp edges
Location: Stuck in the mire
Member Since: 1st Feb 2006
Total posts: 1266
Posted:I agree Pele it is mighty scary out there these day's but then again when hasnt it in some way. For many years I've been into radical politics and I've been attacked by hatriotes,including police some of the worst hatriotes, and beaten on the streets for something as simple as wearing an upsidedown flag on my sweatshirt. What scares me most i think is the sheep like mentality of the majority of the population, to just blindly sit back and be spoonfed lies and halftruths from the media and obey obey obey. What un-nerves me is the stagring number of people who have confronted me,whether at protest, simply walking around, or family dinner, have actually said "How can you be against the war in Iraq? Don't you remember 9/11?" WOW.......some people actually believe that, in some twisted way they got that from the media and ran with it when in truth Iraq had nothing to do with it, the places to really look, otherthan Afganistan, were Egypt and Saudi Arabia but the U.S, is in bed with those countries so focus was taken off of them.
ooooops sorry started to go off on a tangent. i could talk about this stuff all day shrug all i ment to come say was I agree Pele smile and then leave you all with a couple of great quotes from Mark Twain.

"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it."

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, its time to pause and reflect."

"Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about."
biggrin beerchug biggrin


My ADD makes it so that.....Ooooo SHINY.....wanna go ride bikes....wait....where am I.....

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Mr Majestik
Mr Majestik

coming to a country near you
Location: home of the tiney toothy bear
Member Since: 9th Mar 2004
Total posts: 4693
Posted:you're right, they are good quotes wink

"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"

jointly owned by Fire_Spinning_Angel and Blu_Valley

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Prometheus
Prometheus

Diamond In The Rough
Location: Richmond, Virginia
Member Since: 30th Jun 2002
Total posts: 459
Posted:Here's another:

"The love of one country always leads to the hate of another." - Aliyaho Pearce

Kinda says it all


Dance like it hurts; Love like you need money; Work like someone is watching.

Never criticize someone until you've walked a mile in their shoes. That way, when you DO criticize them, you are a mile away, and you have their shoes.

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Dunc
Dunc

playing the days away
Location: The Middle lands
Member Since: 19th Aug 2003
Total posts: 7263
Posted:I had to google Hatriotism cuz I'd never heard of it before redface

I found this article, which nothing to do with the thread itself made for very good reading

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39118
br>I don't really agree with it, I think the writer has misunderstood the whole point of the film, but that's enough offtopicness from me!


Let's relight this forum ubblove

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Sethis
Sethis

Pooh-Bah
Location: York University
Member Since: 16th May 2005
Total posts: 1762
Posted:I though hatriotism 1. Wasn't a real word, and 2. was actually referring to extreme patriotism, where support of your country is turned into hatred for all others.

Seems that article thinks hatriotism is being a "True patriot" while hating your own government and it's policies... Or have I interpreted that incorrectly?

Regardless, I get annoyed about all of it. shrug


After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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Kyrian
Dreamer
Location: York, England
Member Since: 15th Mar 2002
Total posts: 4308
Posted:Written by: Prometheus

"The love of one country always leads to the hate of another." - Aliyaho Pearce




No more than the love of one person always leads to the hate of another....


Keep your dream alive
Dreamin is still how the strong survive

Shalom VeAhavah

New Hampshire has a point....

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Loki_the_trickster
Loki_the_trickster

Has sharp edges
Location: Stuck in the mire
Member Since: 1st Feb 2006
Total posts: 1266
Posted:Written by: Sethis

I though hatriotism 1. Wasn't a real word, and 2. was actually referring to extreme patriotism, where support of your country is turned into hatred for all others.


Yep thats what I thought too!!! biggrin


My ADD makes it so that.....Ooooo SHINY.....wanna go ride bikes....wait....where am I.....

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Pele
Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA
Member Since: 15th Dec 2000
Total posts: 6193
Posted:That is how he meant is Sethis.

That article is very different.

Kyrian, I do not believe that is true at all. I love many people in my life and I hate no one.

I think very few people truly love or hate politcal figures etc. They love/hate what they are doing, representing, "stand for", babbling about but that is not the person, it is the representation.


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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ado-p
ado-p

Pirate Ninja
Location: Galway/Ireland
Member Since: 13th May 2004
Total posts: 3882
Posted:My good friend Sean Connery. In the very fine movie 'The Rock'

said

"Patriotism is a virtue of the vicious"

Which I quite liked.

He was quoting Oscar Wild. But I bet he sounded way cooler.

smile


Love is the law.

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fNi
fNi

master of disaster
Location: New York
Member Since: 8th Mar 2004
Total posts: 3354
Posted:damm!t, you beat me to it *menaces*

kyrian: I've felt your finger connect with me many times
lou kitten: sneaky little meatball..
ezz: please corrupt me more

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Sethis
Sethis

Pooh-Bah
Location: York University
Member Since: 16th May 2005
Total posts: 1762
Posted:umm Pele, I think Kyrian was making the point that a Love of anything doesn't necessarily lead to hate of anything else, be it a country or person.

Damn these americanisms and their abiguous meanings! wink hug


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Pele
Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA
Member Since: 15th Dec 2000
Total posts: 6193
Posted:Between this and the entire juggling poll controversy thing I am now wondering...

Do you think that extreme Passion for one thing creates a disdain for others?
Or, more clearly I suppose..

Do you think/feel that extreme passion causes tunnel vision?


Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK

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animatEd
animatEd

1 + 1 = 3
Location: Bristol UK
Member Since: 31st Aug 2004
Total posts: 3540
Posted:In the way that 'Love is Blind'?

Empty your mind. Be formless, Shapeless, like Water.
Put Water into a cup, it becomes the cup, put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, put water into a teapot, it becomes the teapot.
Water can flow, or it can Crash.
Be Water My Friend.

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Lemonkey
Lemonkey

Stalking amidst the desert, carrying an oversized scalpel...
Location: Huddersfield + Hull Uni... UK.
Member Since: 1st Aug 2005
Total posts: 1019
Posted:Written by: Sethis

I though hatriotism 1. Wasn't a real word, and 2. was actually referring to extreme patriotism, where support of your country is turned into hatred for all others.

Seems that article thinks hatriotism is being a "True patriot" while hating your own government and it's policies... Or have I interpreted that incorrectly?

Regardless, I get annoyed about all of it. shrug



Hatriotism isn't a word in my vocabulary, it'sjingoism.


Willy - is bad for your health...

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Sethis
Sethis

Pooh-Bah
Location: York University
Member Since: 16th May 2005
Total posts: 1762
Posted:I think you can be incredibly focused on one thing, let's say love of your own country, and ignore/dismiss criticisms and rational argument that can be levelled against it.

What this does not mean is that you are then obliged to go about trying to change everyone elses country to be like yours, or start fights with people who disagree with you. It's perfectly possible to be really really passionate about something, without trying to force your opinions on other people.

Hypothetical example:

I think "The Matrix" is the best film ever. If asked, I will spout on and on and on about it's virtues. I will ignore all criticisms. But I won't start hating "Star Wars" or "Lord of the Rings" just because they are also popular contenders for the title "Greatest film of all time". I believe that people who think that way are mistaken, but I am under no obligation to force a change in their opinion.

See what I mean? You can be narrow minded without necessarily being hostile.

P.S. The Original Star Wars trilogy is obviously the best movie trilogy ever. Duh. wink ubbangel


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newgabe
newgabe

what goes around comes around. unless you're into stalls.
Location: Bali
Member Since: 3rd Mar 2005
Total posts: 4030
Posted:Another quote, from Brendan Behan I believe...
*Patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings*

(and before anyone says, *no, that's a quote from Bob Dylan*.. I believe he took it from MrBehan... and then followed it with the line... *steal a little and they throw you in jail, steal a lot and they make you king.*

Which is kinda clever.. stealing a line.. and then... oh, you get it...


.....Can't juggle balls but I sure as hell can juggle details....

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