Dealing in Perception & Probability Location: On the edge of sunrise and sun... Member Since: 30th Dec 2005 Total posts: 135
Posted:I respect your point, but don't agree with you. How hard is this for anyone to say? Most of us here have said it (or something close to it) in this forum. I end most of my debates with my friends with it. So why can't the majority of people, esspecially our "leaders", say it?
Think about most of the discussions/debtes you have had in you life. Some may have ended with one side changing views. but for the most part, they end in dead-lock. There's only so much anyone can say, about any one topic, untill you're just repeating yourself, and going around in circles. i for one hate repeating myself, and hate it when people do it to "stress a point." You're not stressing a point, you're adding stress to a situation.
So why not just say "I respect your point, but I don't agree with you" and end it? why do people feel the need to hammer their point of view into your head? What do you guys think, am I right for thinking this way, or am I just a dork for thinking people could be respectful in debates?
Reason I'm asking. I was having coffee with a friend of mine of over the weekend, and we got to talking about local issues. With out boreing you with the spacifics, let's just say that she could, or would, not let the topic end. We got to the point were I said I respect your point etc. But she kept pushing her point for the next hour......I love this girl to death, but if I would have had duct tape, I would have used it
Legal and illegal are a point of view. All that matters is morality.
If there's a shadow in your life, then there is also sunshine. Perception is everything.
jeffhigh Member Location: Caves Beach, NSW Member Since: 15th Oct 2005 Total posts: 89
Posted:I think when dunc said
"An opinion cannot be wrong, it is an OPINION, not a fact "
that it was only his interpolation from the definitions above
An opinion can certainly be wrong where the person is unaware of ,misinterprets, or ignores the facts. which support the opposing view
playing the days away Location: The Middle lands Member Since: 19th Aug 2003 Total posts: 7263
Posted:If you deliberately ignore facts, ie make the decision after accepting a fact but not admit it to others and still state something you know to be incorrect then it's a lie, not an opinion.
Written by: Dave nevertheless, in the context of an everyday conversation/debate (or maybe an on-line discussion on a spinning board?), I do believe that few would quibble if someone said 'that opinion (that the Earth is flat) is wrong'
I certainly won't dispute that
Written by: Dave But, who am I to quibble, with my notoriously badly worded posts and limited reasoning ability
Oooh where did that come from? I thought I was the sarcastic one in here! That's two bouts of sarcasm in only one thread! Yey
no excuses. no apologies. Location: aotearoa Member Since: 4th Jan 2005 Total posts: 1799
Posted:yeah, no absolutes.
everything is relative.
those that know, dont say. those that say, dont know.
Pyrolific Returning to a unique state of Equilibrium Location: Adelaide, South Australia Member Since: 10th Jan 2001 Total posts: 3288
Posted:The opinion can be measured by the validity of its logic and how well supporting evidence relates to the conclusion.
An opinion might be logical but unsupported...or it can be supported by facts that do not actually relate to it - neither option is very convincing IMHO. If we change the word 'opinion' to 'argument' (I think we can for the sake of this discussion) it becomes a bit clearer I reckon.
although - if you are talking about apples and oranges (ie : I prefer apples to oranges) then anyone who is trying to convince you that you should prefer oranges should get a life
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