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Written by: shen shui
its extremely hard to do a double blind randomized control trial for acupuncture however, as you cannot placebo needle someone.
Written by: shen shui
putting a needle in a different location will create a different effect on the body. even pressing down in simulation of a needle insertion will influence the body's qi (chi/energy). but then, i would think that more than 7000 years of treating people for pathologies that range from musculoskeletal conditions to hypertension to the common cold could be considered evidence enough to warrant its inclusion within our biomedical paradigm. after all, if it didnt work, they wouldn't have used it all these years, right?
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
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Written by: Domino
I was going to say that for thousands of years people believed that the Earth is flat and the Sun orbits it. Apparently some people still do...
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According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Written by: coleman
what is placebo effect after all?
and why can scientists not define how it is caused or how they could possibly increase or decrease it?
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Written by: jeff(fake)
There seems to be some confusion on the topic of placebos.
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they do porridge."
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Written by: jeff(fake)
People have known since thousands of years before the birth of Christ that the Earth was round.
Give me a lever long enough and a place to stand and I can beat the world into submission.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
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Written by: onewheeldave
Personally, one study I'd like to see would be to have two groups, give one conventional accupuncture treatment and, for the second group, give them accupuncture, but use random insertion points (ie stick needles in them, but ignore the conventional accupuncture maps of appropriate insertion points).
But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
Written by: DominoWritten by: jeff(fake)
People have known since thousands of years before the birth of Christ that the Earth was round.
I know the Greeks did but not evryone worked it out. Besides, how many of the uneducated ancient Greeks would have believed it? Not the famed mathatitions but Stellios Bloggos off the streets? If you only have a limited knowledge of the world (particularly that part of it that falls beyond the horizon) it goes against the evidence of your own eyes.
Written by: shen shui
its extremely hard to do a double blind randomized control trial for acupuncture, however, as you cannot placebo needle someone. putting a needle in a different location will create a different effect on the body. even pressing down in simulation of a needle insertion will influence the body's qi (chi/energy). but then, i would think that more than 7000 years of treating people for pathologies that range from musculoskeletal conditions to hypertension to the common cold could be considered evidence enough to warrant its inclusion within our biomedical paradigm. after all, if it didnt work, they wouldn't have used it all these years, right?
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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Written by: Patriarch917
On topic: I heard the other day that the old custom of "bloodletting" actually does have a beneficial effect for certain diseases. I'm not going to start using leeches on myself, but it makes me wonder whether we really understand "how" modern medicine works. I know personally that I just do things that seem to work (like asprin) without having a really good explanation for why.
Written by: shen shou
one thing that bugs me totally about these researches is their morality. how nice is it to no ttell someone that the treatment they are getting is false and they are unsuspecting guinea pigs for the betterment of humankind? rough.
Written by: doc lightning
I believe that taking any sort of EFFECTIVE healing art and pigeon-holing it as "alternative" doesn't do it justice.
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Written by: andrealee
For example, mainstream medicine largely overlooks the application of preventative medicine.
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Written by: jeff
There is simply that which works (which we now call modern medicine) and that which doesn't (now call alternative).
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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Written by: jeff
It's utterly discraceful that you would repeat outright lies like those.
Written by: jeff
If they were proven to be completely ineffective then they would be alternative.
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they do porridge."
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Written by: colemanWritten by: jeff
It's utterly discraceful that you would repeat outright lies like those.
please clarify and quote what you consider to be the 'disgraceful lie' i have repeated - i do not take kindly to being called a liar.
Written by: jeff
If they were proven to be completely ineffective then they would be alternative.
Written by: colemanThe randomised double-blind trail covers it pretty effectively. It does need to be repeated in each scenario where it could be expected to change (eg. proving acupucture can't be used to treat diabetes is of no relevence to the question of whether acupuncture can or can't be used to treat pain). It is true that the placebo effect experiences variation. Large blue sugar pills produce a larger effect than small white sugar pills for example. That is why in trails the placebo and the treatment tested need to be identicle as for a possible, so that an amplified placebo effect can be ruled out having any influence.
so what is the definitive test for a treatment's validity jeff?
how do you prove something is ineffective in every scenario ever?
this goes back to my original point about the placebo effect - if alternative medicines operate on a similar basis to placebo's (i.e. positive thought), yet produce better results (even if it is only marginal), it could mean the treatment is a kind of amplified placebo effect.
is there not a case for investigating that possibility?
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