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Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Member Since: 28th May 2001
Total posts: 13920
Posted:Malcolm, do you know what I bet a lot of people here would love and what would probably sell really well?

HOP Store Gift Certificates!

What do other people think of this idea?

(No pressure, Malcolm!
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[ 08. December 2002, 15:15: Message edited by: MikeGinny (Lightning) ]


-Mike )'(
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"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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Cantus
Cantus

Tantamount to fatuity
Location: Down the road
Member Since: 30th Jul 2001
Total posts: 15965
Posted:Is your PM facility not working Mr Ginny?

"I'll carry this....It's harder to spill a hat" - Chellybean
"...like a rabbit caught in a lighthouse?" - Chellybean

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flash fire
flash fire

Sporadically Prodigal
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Member Since: 25th Jan 2001
Total posts: 2758
Posted:he probably posted it here so we can all see the reaction and support for such a great idea!

my vote: gift cert - top idea!


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Cantus
Cantus

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Location: Down the road
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Posted:Ah i see. Perhaps he should've said that in his post then.

"I'll carry this....It's harder to spill a hat" - Chellybean
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flowingchalice
flowingchalice

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Location: Leicester, uk
Member Since: 30th Jul 2002
Total posts: 180
Posted:here here,

put me down as a yay


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Raymund Phule (Fireproof)
Raymund Phule (Fireproof)

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Location: San Diego California
Member Since: 31st Dec 2001
Total posts: 2905
Posted:I like that idea, maybe electronic gift certificates. *shrugs* hell everything else on HOP is electronic why start to use paper now hehe.

Some Jarhead last night: "this dumb a$$ thinks hes fireproof"

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Thistle
Thistle

old hand
Location: Nottingham UK
Member Since: 27th Jan 2001
Total posts: 950
Posted:What a great way to show the spinner in your life you really care

Are we nearly there yet?

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primative_toys
happy hunting
Location: Brisnyland
Member Since: 7th Dec 2002
Total posts: 228
Posted:here here!!

regret nothing, learn everything

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Feuermacher
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Location: lakeside california
Member Since: 4th Dec 2002
Total posts: 6
Posted:that is a great idea, but i know i for one, couldnt just wait to get some fire toys....there was no way....

Keine Mehrheit Fur Die Mitlied!!!

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Charles
Charles

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Location: Auckland
Member Since: 27th Jun 2001
Total posts: 3989
Posted:quote: i know i for one, couldnt just wait to get some fire toys....there was no way....
Um...Feuermacher? Could you reword that for poor little old me?

I don't seem to be able to make any sensde of that whatsoever....

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UCOF
UCOF

Carpal \'Tunnel

Member Since: 17th Apr 2002
Total posts: 15414
Posted:hear hear...i second that motion

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Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Member Since: 28th May 2001
Total posts: 13920
Posted:Ok, I gave this some thought: here's how to do an electronic gift certificate program.

Suppose I want to buy Flash Fire a $100 gift certificate because she so kindly protected me against C@ntus's wrath. ( Love ya, C@ntus!).

I pay $100 and either 1) You send an E-mail to Flash Fire with a gift certificate number and tell her that this number can be put towards any purchases on HOP or 2) I could opt to have you E-mail me the gift certificate number so that I can make a nice little card and snail-mail it to Flash Fire. This could easily be automated so that certificate delivery would be almost instantaneous.

On the purchase page, have a slot where she enters the gift certificate number and then that amount of money is taken out of her gift certificate balance. If she should happen to need to spend more than $100, she can apply her credit card (or whatever other form of payment) to cover the balance.

I figure it shouldn't cost you very much to set this up, and each gift certificate you sell is guaranteed revenue.

[ 09. December 2002, 06:09: Message edited by: MikeGinny (Lightning) ]


-Mike )'(
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"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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flid
flid

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Warwickshire
Member Since: 27th Aug 2002
Total posts: 3136
Posted:<puts network programmer hat on>

MikeGinny: the problem with emailing the number is that email is insecure (unless you use pgp, which you can't guarantee the reciever has). Hypothetically speaking someone could sniff the email (very easy to do) and use the certificate. It's unlikely that anyone sniffing would have an interest in poi and want it, but it could happen. So you'd need to snail mail it unless you come up with a better option.

The number would also have to be pretty long to stop people from using a brute force attack (that is: write a program to try the number 1, then 2, then 3 etc). If the number was long enough thou (a mix of upper/lowercase characters and numbers), ie 128 chars then it would work.

My advice would be to specify the name of the person recieving, then when they make their purchase they must give cc details. Even if the value of stuff they are buying doesn't need additional payment, 1 dollar of the certifcate can be deducted and creditted to their cc acount. By doing this malcom can get the cc holder's name, and cross reference it with the gift certificate owner. If this were done then the certificate number could be emailed, because anyone sniffing it would not have the appropriately named credit card account (unless they happen to have the same name!)

<takes network programmer hat off>

Anyway, sounds like a great idea, not sure who would want to buy me a certificate thou


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Astar
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada.
Member Since: 8th Nov 2002
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Posted:Id say just use snail mail, it's slow but it's the simplest way to do it.

That or look at other webstores and see if any of them have gift certificates and see how they handle it.


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Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

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Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
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Total posts: 13920
Posted:Flid,

To me, a computer is a black box with a keyboard on one end and a monitor on the other.

But you can maybe help Malcolm figure out how to do it. Either way, the full name of the recipient should be known (OR...if the recipient is a HOP member, then the recipient could access the gift certificate by entering the HOP member ID and password?)

Alternatively, when you buy your gift certificate, the site could just show you the number on a secure page. Most major store branches use gift cards with 16 digits. Having to type in 128 numbers would be tedious.

Anyways, there should be a user-friendly way to do it. Maybe some of you computer geeks can figure it out.


-Mike )'(
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Cantus
Cantus

Tantamount to fatuity
Location: Down the road
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Posted:So you'll be wanting my postal address then?

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Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Member Since: 28th May 2001
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Posted:What for, C@ntus?

-Mike )'(
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"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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Malcolm
Malcolm

HOP admin
Location: HOP
Member Since: 18th Nov 2003
Total posts: 997
Posted:How dare you come up with these good ideas

Yup, sounds like a good idea. Will take me about 3 months I think to integrate it with the spare time I currently have so please bare (bear?/beer?) with me .
Kindest regards

Malcolm


"May your balls always burn"

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Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

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Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
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Total posts: 13920
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Gosh, I'm so excited!!!!!


-Mike )'(
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"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:Perhaps I should change my screen name to "Devil's Advocate" since that's all I seem to be doing lately..

It sounds like a great idea but I can think of a billion headaches associated with it. Also, I'm not sure how much use they'd get since it is a website store anyway and the products are pretty specific. At a clothing store it makes sense because the shopper doesn't know what the other person wants and they can pick out sizes and colors and stuff out of a large selection of items. You can already say "Hey send Mike an electroglow staff and bill it to me" which is almost what a gift certificate would do. Just a thought. Perhaps it would be easier to just give Malcolm your credit card # with an email explaining how much to charge, then email a fellow HoPer and say "Hey, You've got a "$50 gift certificate" so email Malcolm whatever you want.

I'm not so much being the Negative Nelly as jumping in to say "Oh God don't dump more headaches on Malcolm!"

But I don't really care of course! If Malcom wants the headaches, bring it on!

-NYC
[PS. Please do not send Mike an electroglow staff and bill it to me.]


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Malcolm
Malcolm

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Posted:I will most likely run a simple paper one and keep a ledger of the voucher. Doing it electronically will be a lot more hassle I agree.

Thanks for your concern


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FireSpirit
FireSpirit

Classic 90's Fire Dancer... Poi, Staff, Doubles, and Breathing
Location: South Lake Tahoe
Member Since: 29th Mar 2001
Total posts: 743
Posted:How Did You Get That Big Bouncing Silly Smiley Face, MikeGinny? Thats Great!!!

Anyway I like the idea of giving, and know lots of fire spinners!

~Fire Spirit


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IT LIVES AND BREATHS!
IT CONSUMES, AND DISTROYS!
BUT WE CONTROL IT,
AND DANCE WITH FIRE!!

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Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Member Since: 28th May 2001
Total posts: 13920
Posted:NYC, you have a good point, but if Malcolm decides to keep it to paper (which most stores do...they give you a "gift card" and then they keep track of your balance), a lot of the hassles should go away.

I think it would be nice to just give the spinner who seems to have everything a little toy money, yanno?

Firespirit, if you go to Best Smileys, that's where I get all my non-regulation smilies and assorted cute graphics (the dancing fat guy for birthdays, the welcome gorilla, etc.)


-Mike )'(
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"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:If anyone wants to buy me some Home Of Poi gift certficates I'll gladly try them out and report back as to how well they work.

I always wanted to be a beta tester...


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FireSpirit
FireSpirit

Classic 90's Fire Dancer... Poi, Staff, Doubles, and Breathing
Location: South Lake Tahoe
Member Since: 29th Mar 2001
Total posts: 743
Posted:Cool, Thanks Mike!!
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[ 11. December 2002, 08:14: Message edited by: FireSpirit ]


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IT LIVES AND BREATHS!
IT CONSUMES, AND DISTROYS!
BUT WE CONTROL IT,
AND DANCE WITH FIRE!!

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Malcolm
Malcolm

HOP admin
Location: HOP
Member Since: 18th Nov 2003
Total posts: 997
Posted:OK I now have my first gift Certificate system done.

Unfortunately too much work to have credited accounts. So I have made them as a single item
with a .....
see here


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Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Member Since: 28th May 2001
Total posts: 13920
Posted:Woo Hoo! In case we hadn't made this abundantly clear, you rock, Malcolm!

Now...how to hint to my parents that this would be a perfect gift?


-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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