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Str8Jakit


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Posted:This just doesn't seem like it the land of the free anymore.....
read this, and let me know what you think

http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/01/18/professors.targeted.ap/index.html


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NYC


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Posted:"Anymore"?

What history books you been reading?

I was offended that it was UCLA but then realized it was targeted BECAUSE it is liberal.

Now I really gotta donate more to my alma matter.


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Patriarch917
SILVER Member since Oct 2005

Patriarch917

I make my own people.
Location: Nashville, Tennessee, USA

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Posted:I think you mean that "little brother" is alive and well...

So students are rebelling against the elite power structure and indoctrination efforts of their university. The "liberal" professors were probably doing the same sort of thing when they were students (only with less technology).

20 years can make an anti-establishment liberal into an establishment conservative without changing positions on anything. The political positions are a red herring. This is about power structures in American Academics.


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NYC


NYC

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Posted:"Students rebelling against the elite power structure"?

Did I read a different article?

It didn't mention anything about the student reactions at all.


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Sethis
BRONZE Member since May 2005

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Posted:Well there's a fine line. Lecturers who use their classes as forums to express their political beliefs are wrong. But stopping someone expressing their opinion is worse.

If they are spending entire classes ranting against G.W. Bush then they deserve to lose their jobs because they're obviously not doing them very well.

However if they are teaching politics and express their beliefs and arguments against Bush in a rational debate, then they should be allowed to do so. Students should debate with lecturers, not take their word as law.

And the thread title is misleading... Big Brother is more along the lines of "Department stores can put concealed cameras in their changing rooms, and never tell you about it. Office workers can also have their phones tapped without their knowledge and consent." Both of those facts are true.


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Mr Majestik
SILVER Member since Mar 2004

Mr Majestik

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Posted:i dont know, it is a bit like "the spies" from big brother, getting the young to spy on the old, keep them in check.

i dont think there was ever such a thing as "the land of the free" anywhere, ever.


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Rouge Dragon
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Posted:ive only read the first half and i dont want to read the rest of this!!!



i agree that schools arent the place to express political views, but at the same time it will only cause paranoia.



however a good point has been raised to me:



would you care if it was the other way around and they were outing the right-wingers??

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Str8Jakit


Str8Jakit

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Posted:Written by: Sethis

"Department stores can put concealed cameras in their changing rooms, and never tell you about it.



no they can't. they can place them at the entrance of the changing rooms, but can not have ANY visability of the inside of the room itself.

now back on to my point. you all see were this is heading. and yes NYC i have noticed it for years as well. let me ask you something NY....do they have eminent domain law up there? if not, or for those that are not familiar with it, eminent domain gives the city/county/state the right to come in, and buy you out of your land, whether you want to go or not. now they normaly make you an offer of twice the apprasied value. that's not bad if you live in an upscale part of town, and your proerty is worth seious money, but that's not the land they are trying to develope. they are buying out the poor families. paying out an average of $50,000 per property, only to deveople it into $160,000+ condo units.

now yes $50,000 is alot of money. but when you take into consideration the amount of money the develpoers, and the county make, it's pennies. figure they make a building with 150 units in it. multiply that by the average price for condos; come out to $24,000,000. now i am useing the nums from my area. considering it costs more to live in New York, it's safe to say there would be a big diff in the nums.

so sethis, maybe i shold have titled this thread diff, but i didn't. wink


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nearly_all_gone
SILVER Member since Aug 2004

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Posted:You want to talk big brother, stop reading CNN! Seriously man, people round here watch CNN to have a good old laugh at how simplistic and sensationalist the American media is!

Otherwise, yeah, that is a horrible story... doesn't altogether surprise me though, since 9/11 the US has virtually been under martial law, or so it seems. Freedom of speech doesn't mean much in the USA anymore.


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fNi
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Posted:so um, yeah, my school had a terrorist threat/bomb threat scare yesterday; go us wink

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NYC


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Posted:Written by: nearly_all_gone

You want to talk big brother, stop reading CNN! Seriously man, people round here watch CNN to have a good old laugh at how simplistic and sensationalist the American media is!




Sadly, CNN is one of the most complicated and least sensational of the American media sources.

Fox has 'news programs' about why you should watch other Fox programming.

"The war in Iraq, but first, what's Simon up to on the next American Idol!..."


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Mr Majestik
SILVER Member since Mar 2004

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Posted:lol, how sad. there are actually news programs simply to promote other news programs?

although considering only two people own most of australian media (print and tele) i doubt its any better here, maybe just a bit less obvious.

thank heavens for ABC (australian broadcasting corp), owned by the people, funded by the government, smiting the government at every turn. wink oh and sbs, as an off shoot of abc is pretty cool too.


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Pen Draven


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Posted:I like this story http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4630694.stm
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About the us Gov wanting Google to turn over a list of all the things people search for,, very nice


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Str8Jakit


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Posted:Written by: nearly_all_gone

Seriously man, people round here watch CNN to have a good old laugh at how simplistic and sensationalist the American media is!


um ok confused

i like CNN it' s. better than most of the media i can get my hands on (so to speak) also i watch CNN to find out where my roommate is going to be deployed to next.
i'll agree it is simplistic and sensationalist, but unfortunalty that's the way my country is heading with a D student in the white house.......

Freedom of speech doesn't mean much in the USA anymore. bingo......so any room in the UK?


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Mr Majestik
SILVER Member since Mar 2004

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Posted:honestly, CNNNN is the only non-stop news network worth watching, ever. (yes this one does have four n's)

i suggest people move to australia so they can fully apreciate its beauty wink


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MiG
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Posted:Mr Majestik: That's true, but isn't he dead now?

And would ownership REALLY matter? could one person really read all the papers and watch all the tv s/he owns to make sure nothing subversive's going on?

I doubt it...


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Mr Majestik
SILVER Member since Mar 2004

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Posted:what if the owner IS subverse?

and yes he died, but his prodigy has taken over


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