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Written by: astar2

I know I am banned, But this thread is unsettling me and I again, follow the pattern of evadeing bans to make a post.



Astar - apart from your post which I can certainly follow up on - (again in public my question) why are you "banned" ?????????????

Committing suicide is a very strange phenomenon and there are infinite triggers for that. To take "the gift of life" into your own hand and throw it away in a single instant - this process is very complex.

This is why I advise anyone not just to step in themselves to try and rescue, but to have professional help administered. True, that some "maddoctors" are pretty mad themselves, yet there are good ones out there and I would really have a shoot feeling in my gut when I tried to help someone and this one gets down anyways... How could I stand my own look in the mirror - knowing that I haven't consulted, or insisted on consulting professional couselling?

@Lostspy: this is what I violently dislike about this age - turning away patients from hospitals because the insurance wouldn't cover the expenses?

We regard our civilisation "progressed"? How so?!? If such happens EVERY DAY

the best smiles are the ones you lead to

According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...

i am wondering too - and also about the uk

the best smiles are the ones you lead to

in goth we trust

In a society that believes in reinkarnation, committing suicide is totally pointless - back the next day with more suffering...

Death comes along with the experience of life, it's inevitable. I have been to the edge myself - but my curiosity alone, about how the story continues saved me. All in all there's something to live for. And being at the point where nothing really matters - it can only go uphill from there...

Helping is a great thing to do - hence if the (amateur) helper is emotionally involved in this, there is danger ahead.

a) in a friendship one might not be clear enough and not demand the friend to step up necessary reflection and actions to work on the underlying problem to solve it.
b) in a relationship one is very obliged to perpetuate it - as maybe one becomes the reason for another attempt if the relationship ends, or one runs out of energy.

This is all that I wanted to indicate - sorry that I couldn't find the appropriate words or didn't take enough time to put them into this context.

the best smiles are the ones you lead to

Lots of people who don't really "want" to die do actually " succeed" at killing themselves!! Particularily youth! ( Who often have an undeveloped concept of death to begin with.) There have been personal journals suicide notes and conversations revealed after their deaths that spoke of their actual intentions, some of which were very very confused ( ill ? ) . Others lived, but ended up brain damaged or otherwise seriously effected.

The reverse is also true, many people that attempt suicide did want to die( at least at the time) but tried to chose peaceful non violent non messy methods, which generally have less predicatable results.

If your brain is ill, can you actually know what you really want?

I think we would be best not to judge whose depression is serious enough to place them at risk, and whose is only " saddness" or selfishness. Perhaps every cry for help should be acknowledged and not judged or dismissed. We simply do not know what is in anothers mind, and can be very very mistaken in assuming we do, or even that they do...

One does not need to cater to what is perceived as emotional manipulation, but can still take care to see the individual is directed to appropriate help. That is why there are suicide support lines, crisis lines , counsellors etc. Even what seems to be a grab at atention should be directed to counselling and support, as that behaviour is obviously not coming from a healthy place.

I was also really sad to hear of someone turned away from neccessary medical care. Heartbreaking. Disgusting. Hope something can be done to change that!

"God *was* my co-pilot, but then we crashed, and I had to eat him..."

"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."

--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32


Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!

"God *was* my co-pilot, but then we crashed, and I had to eat him..."

Hippocratic Oath -- Classical Version

I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfil according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:

To hold him who has taught me this art as equal to my parents and to live my life in partnership with him, and if he is in need of money to give him a share of mine, and to regard his offspring as equal to my brothers in male lineage and to teach them this art - if they desire to learn it - without fee and covenant; to give a share of precepts and oral instruction and all the other learning to my sons and to the sons of him who has instructed me and to pupils who have signed the covenant and have taken an oath according to the medical law, but no one else.

I will apply dietetic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.

I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.

I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.

Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief and in particular of sexual relations with both female and male persons, be they free or slaves.

What I may see or hear in the course of the treatment or even outside of the treatment in regard to the life of men, which on no account one must spread abroad, I will keep to myself, holding such things shameful to be spoken about.

If I fulfil this oath and do not violate it, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and art, being honored with fame among all men for all time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot.


Translation from the Greek by Ludwig Edelstein. From The Hippocratic Oath: Text, Translation, and Interpretation, by Ludwig Edelstein. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins Press, 1943.

In controversy to:

hypocrisy "The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
An act or instance of such falseness."

the best smiles are the ones you lead to

i am soooo sorry you have been through all of this i really am. no one needs to deal with stuff like that but as you can see you have loads of support and help here on HOP
i am affraid i have what seems to be a harsh point of view as i hold no sympathy for anyone who wants to end their lives and believe they have every right to if they wish. the reason why i am like this is that i have been the "Supportive" person on far too many occasions and i got sick and tired of them attempitng suicde that it did get to the point where i wish they would just get it out of the way and done with. no doubt i shall get a bashing from this but its my opinion.
the best advice i can give you is bring up your concern with their doc (If you know them) and leave them to it. its far more detrimantal to your health and will effect you for the worst. Your a great person and a fantastic friend you take care of you and you know where i am.... just PM me

Life's too short to worry about where you put your marshmallows