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mcp
PLATINUM Member since May 2003

mcp

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Posted:This list represents what I consider 'base' contact movements. Most other moves are combinations of these moves, variations, or these movements transfered to a different plane. [indeed some of these movements are combinations of others, but they're interesting enough to be granted their own name.] These moves can be broken down into their component parts, but the way I present them here is as symmetrical (hopefully) movements. So for instance you can end a SNES with a vertical steve arm roll, but you'd break the symmetry of the SNES, so I don't present that here.



You may disagree with this list, like it not having a palmspin in it, but the palmspin I felt was too 'small' a move, both for a tutorial, and in ... well, maybe I should have.... oh well.



They are in rough order of difficulty and impressiveness. It all depends on how you learn thou.



Hand Wraps



Neck Wraps



Body Part Spins



Shoulder Wraps



Fishtails



Halo Roll



Conveyor Belt



Angel Roll



The Pivot



SNES



Halo 360



Steve



Jesus



Matrix



any additions? Suggestions?


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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mcp
PLATINUM Member since May 2003

mcp

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Posted::?

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"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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Richee
BRONZE Member since Jan 2002

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Posted:Written by:


mcp

if you start to get all notationy and scientific on my ass, I will have to run away....





I cant afford it. Who I will talk than with? smile



:R


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Glåss
BRONZE Member since Mar 2017

Glåss

The Ministry of Manipulation
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Posted:Hi Meg,

Shoulder wraps 1:43 sec - ah hem, you might want to edit that!!!

Also why do the clips seem to have sound included in the files??

I think that the teaching resource is brilliant, but I don't understand the classifications, I'm not sure what you mean by "base movement". eg Why is a "pivot" a base move when its a combination of 2 other moves?
For me I would say that most of these clips show families - like shoulder wraps
or heads of families shows matrix then other matrix variations/family members. (eg your Matrix clip)

A "fundamental" move might be a
a flat spin - horizontal on the palm or any part of the body. and other simpler movements like this
a wrap -
a roll -
a hold -
a trap -
a walk - (with the staff)
a balance
- etc etc.

Any comments/ can you explain?

Smiles and thanks again
Drew


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Glåss
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Glåss

The Ministry of Manipulation
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Posted:I've done it again and been boring haven't I. Ummm Sorry smile biggrin tongue

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_Clare_
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_Clare_

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Posted:ubblol

Getting to the other side smile

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mcp
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mcp

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Posted:I could teach the various 'components' that make up all those 'big' contact movements, but I don't believe it would actually help to learn those big movements. It would probably only serve to confuse and force people to reinvent the wheel. (and maybe reinvent contact movements too.) biggrin



I called them base, cos a: they seem to be the bases for many variations, and they are the ones I would teach people, then tell them about the variations. (Like I do in the videos.) eek wink



I mean, I keep searching about, but I haven't found a contact move (that isn't 'static') that's radically different from them. (a new family)



I should maybe put the throat / chest / throat version of the halo 360 in there, but I've already put the word version in.... I would consider the sweep too, if it wasn't so easy. And a variation on the snes.



I just put the pivot in cos it's cool. I mean, why put the angel roll in, when it's kindof a halo roll variation, or also a vertical steve variation in some ways. It's just different enough to be worth teaching.





oh, yeah and the shoulder wraps... oh well, I'm sure people will get the idea from the twenty other times I do it properly... And if not, orange will slap them.



hug wink ubbrollsmile ubbrollsmile



"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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mcp
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mcp

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Posted:?

I think what I'm saying is: Yes Drew you're right, but I don't want to be completely correct, proper and accurate, I just to teach people.

If a contact staff notation had appealed to me, I would have made one already. (thou the idea is growing on me.)

and I agree with richee. This discussion is rather interesting, in the otherwise nuclear wasteland of the staff forums.


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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Glåss
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Glåss

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Posted:Quote Meg: "I could teach the various 'components' that make up all those 'big' contact movements, but I don't
> believe it would actually help to learn those big movements. It would probably only serve to confuse and force
> people to reinvent the wheel. (and maybe reinvent contact movements too.) "

Kathy Forsyth from Twirlmania doesn't agree with you:
http://www.twirlmania.com/TIPSrolls.htm
br>Coments?

Quote Meg: " I keep searching about, I haven't found a contact move (that isn't 'static') that's radically different
> from them. (a new family) "
You should search harder or think more sideways. there are loads more biggrin ubblol angel

Not really about notation, I agree that would be a waste of time, more about classification/understanding.

As for my first comment above, "Shoulder wraps 1:43 sec" it a revese/forwards being reversed. I was trying to be subtle for you smile


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TinklePants
GOLD Member since Jul 2005

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Posted:megs a question - why can i do horizontal neck wraps and not vertical ones?

Always use "so's your face" and "only on Tuesdays" in as many conversations possible

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mcp
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mcp

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Posted:er... cos vertical ones are faster and tend to fall off quicker? Have you got the centerpoint in the right place, and you're not just throwing it over your neck?


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glass: Well I would like to think I had done some of those things: "Sometimes "catch" is a naughty word" and: " Correct position of hand, arm, or elbow Balance point of baton"

thou maybe not: "Maintain a positive attitude when teaching rolls" and "Break the roll down into its elements so that the athlete has a complete understanding of what will make it work."

I think maybe you are taking elements to a lower level than I am. I would have 'assumed' those elements were the two elbow wraps and the hand transfer in between. (I'm sure you know the movement I'm talking about) I take it you would break it down further?

Anyway, I'm not training atheletes, I'm training HIPPIES! wink

Oh is it? I thought it was that it rolled down my arm instead of just wrapping my shoulder.

>You should search harder or think more sideways. there are loads more

this is the kind of annoying gimpiness that annoys me. Examples, explainations? Or just annoying silence? hug

I know maybe five times the amount of movements that are shown in those videos. But I would decribe them all using names from those videos. (Or in reference to them) (apart from the lynx, but maybe I would refer to the elbow wrap...) Hmmm, maybe pinches could be added....


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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TinklePants
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Posted:Written by: mcp

er... cos vertical ones are faster and tend to fall off quicker? Have you got the centerpoint in the right place, and you're not just throwing it over your neck?


That type of answer belongs here wink

god knows what i'm doing wrong. i do keep dodging the cooker though, as i've already chipped off a bit of the ceramic eek


Always use "so's your face" and "only on Tuesdays" in as many conversations possible

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mcp
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mcp

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Posted:look! I gave you a nice gif to examine!

I mean Really!

analogy:

"Hey I keep falling off my bike! What do I need to do different?"

"grow some arms and legs! You can't ride a bike without them."

y'know? Anything could be wrong, how am I supposed to telepathically understand what's you're doing wrong, when you're only description is that it's going wrong? eek confused no offense like. hug

Oh and I might add Kathy Forsythe can kiss my ass! wink


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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TinklePants
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Posted:but you're the all-knowing all-seeing meg!
I'm rather disenchanted now... wink
and your lot made my staff - maybe you jinxed it! eek

but seriously - i think i'm spinning it too fast. should i slow down? or spin faster - for that element of danger? ubbangel

you don't have to reply to that, i'm just talking jobbies again.

*looks at gif intently*

oopsie i see what i'm doing wrong now.

*goes off to practice*


Always use "so's your face" and "only on Tuesdays" in as many conversations possible

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mcp
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mcp

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Posted:Written by: TinklePants

*looks at gif intently*

oopsie i see what i'm doing wrong now.

*goes off to practice*



now that's enlightenment. cool


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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strugz
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strugz

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Posted:ubblol

"...We don't stop playing because we get old, we get old because we stop playing......."

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TinklePants
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Posted:maybe i should tie my hair back too!

Always use "so's your face" and "only on Tuesdays" in as many conversations possible

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Mynci
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Mynci

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Posted:CUT IT OFF.!!!!

I am on saturday biggrin

what your doing wrong tink is not coming to southampton for proper lessons from some-one good biggrin

(i mean strugz....well meg...he's not THAT bad... wink )


A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.

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mcp
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mcp

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Posted:well at least he has a name that you can pronouce! Mincey, I mean REALLY!

OooOOO, I've replied too many times on this thread and it's gone off topic. I'm going to wait for droooooooooo.


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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Mynci
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Mynci

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Posted:*rises above it*

I like your matrix tutorial...my mate simon put in a 180 degree turn between each half of the matrix...some times it looks bloody good. because of the way the body turns away from the stick seems to prolong the rotations


A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.

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[Nx?]
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[Nx?]

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Posted:lol,

if you ever get out spinning miss tinkle I will teach you old school style.

no need to go as far south as edinburgh to recive serious bruising...

tho megs bruising is more impressive, its cos she hits herself with buildings as well as sticks.

hug

T weavesmiley


This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate
-><- Kallisti

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TinklePants
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Posted:Me? go out spinning? without permission? oh god thats terrible!

Mynci - don't cut your air! its tre coolio - you and meg could be twins lmfao ubblol


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Fine_Rabid_Dog


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Posted:Written by: mcp

well at least he has a name that you can pronouce! Mincey, I mean REALLY!



That's how I've been pronouncing it too! biggrin

Welsh git...


The existance of flamethrowers says that someone, somewhere, at sometime said "I need to set that thing on fire, but it's too far away."

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{anthrax}
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{anthrax}

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Posted:roflmao

anthrax.... it infects, then spreads..... fast

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Mynci
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Mynci

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Posted:Henry...your cruisin' for a bruisin' wink

me and meg twins eek no way...she doesn't pout enough tongue

besides Her doubles are better than mine frown

are there any elbow contact tutorials in that lot (work PC crap for watching the vids) coz i really wanna work on elbow lock and elbow fish tails...


A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.

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Pigeon_Wigeon
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Posted:*bows down to MCP* Thanks for making vids for the little people smile

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Richee
BRONZE Member since Jan 2002

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Posted:If you will listen carefully there is one moment where Meghan is answering question and say:

"Im making little tutorial"

When I heared it my heart beat twice faster,

love and light,

:R


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Posted:Written by: Mynci

Henry...your cruisin' for a bruisin' wink




What, from old Mincey Poofta Daffyd?

Piffle... Straighten that wrist ya dandy!

I have a love and hatred for Meg. Her videdos are fantastice to learn from. But they make me feel so terrible at spinning (Mincey, shaddap! tongue )... makes me almost wanna give up...


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mcp
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mcp

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Posted:But you too can spin like me! Or better! With my new product: Practise! Garanteed to make you a 100% better spinner! Or your Money back!

"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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Sethis
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Posted:We have to pay to practice now? eek

I'm only a student... I can't cope! ubbcrying

ubblol


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Stone
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Posted:First class mcp



cheers smile


If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh

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