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dulce flamesmember
234 posts
Location: Oceanside, California USA


Posted:
HI everyone! I am just wondering if anyone has used cane alcohol for poi.. I am in Puerto Escondido Mexico and cannot find fuel anywhere (except gasoline which I refuse to use) - If anyone can let me know if they have used alcohol before... I think it{s pretty much my only option! Okay, thanks for your help. Sorry to use the social discussion for a technical question, but I figure this forum has the most traffic! Thanks a ton for any info!!! - I usually use parafin - lamp oil, but that{s pretty hard to find!!

[ 23. November 2002, 09:39: Message edited by: dulce flames ]

arashiPooh-Bah
2,364 posts
Location: austin,tx


Posted:
man, i hate to say it, but a lot of folks i know resort to deisel when they go down to mexico. it's smoky as hell, but it lasts forever and there's plenty of it! you could also try finding corn grain alcohol. jsut watch out for boom type explosions!

-Such a price the gods exact for song: to become what we sing
-Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
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dulce flamesmember
234 posts
Location: Oceanside, California USA


Posted:
thanks arashi- how explosive is diesel? Is it a lot less dangerous than regular gasoline? People around here (who don't do poi) tell me that petroleum of some kind would be a good alternative - Anyone with experience with petroleums? any feedback? I'll keep searching. the smoke shouldn't be too much of a problem on the beach if I don't get too close to people, I just don{t know how flammable deisel is.. is it like white gas? Like I said, I'm a parrafin devotee!! okay.. thanks again... I'll keep searching.

arashiPooh-Bah
2,364 posts
Location: austin,tx


Posted:
no, deisel is actually pretty safe, i would say in the kerosene range, it just isn't used because it is REALLY smoky. i would say mix in some alcoholic fuel if possible, like corn squeezins, just to cut down on the smoke. by explosive i meant the corn alcohol, which is real expolosive, but can be added in percentages to make a cleaner burn (is the word for corn alcohol ethanol? darnit i'm having a brain fart)

[ 23. November 2002, 10:29: Message edited by: arashi ]

-Such a price the gods exact for song: to become what we sing
-Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
-When the center of the storm does not move, you are in its path.


dulce flamesmember
234 posts
Location: Oceanside, California USA


Posted:
what do you mean by corn squeezins? could I use some type of vegetable oil or like cane alcohol - a already have some of that. Thanks again!!! You're helping me out a ton!!

dulce flamesmember
234 posts
Location: Oceanside, California USA


Posted:
i see what you meant now - the corn grain alcohol- is that type of alcohol better than cane alchol?

arashiPooh-Bah
2,364 posts
Location: austin,tx


Posted:
honestly i don't know about cane alcohol exactly. but... i think that's what they water down to make fake tequila, like JOSE CUERVO!!!! burn it, man, in the name of awful hangovers everywhere! seriously, i would guess that it would be fine to mix it in with the deisel. alcohol is alcohol. dulce, while you're there in mexico, drink some agave tequila for me, huh?

-Such a price the gods exact for song: to become what we sing
-Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
-When the center of the storm does not move, you are in its path.


dromepixieveteran
1,463 posts
Location: Florida


Posted:
Arashi...

I am dissapointed...
What she is talking about is Sugar Cane rum which is high quality stuff!

My uncle make the bootleg variety down in Puerto Rico and its about 80% alcohol (no joke) if its the homemade variety... People call it fire water where I am from.
Well... direct translation:
agua ardiente = burning water

Its called Cashaa (pronounced kashassa) in Brazil..

Sos...
I suspet it should be ok to spin with but I doubt it will last for any reasonable ammount of time...

Much love ang big luck vibes going your way,
Drome

JUGGLEwithyourmind!


Rick aka LokiBRONZE Member
member
134 posts
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Posted:
You probably won't have much luck mixing alcohol with a petrolium-based fuel like diesel. Alcohol is a polar molecule, diesel isn't.

you can have both one one torc, though.

good luck!

-Rick aka Loki
oh, man, a signature?... uuh... this is like coming across wet cement... uuh, shoot, I had something clever I was saving... I hope I don't run out of sp


arashiPooh-Bah
2,364 posts
Location: austin,tx


Posted:
great signature, dude! and yes, mixing fuels does work.
hey drome pixie, so i hear that bad tequila is tequila flavored sugar alcohol, do they use the same kind of sugar as cane alcohol, just a cheaper version? or is the cane stuff a whole different ball game? just curious

[ 23. November 2002, 11:24: Message edited by: arashi ]

-Such a price the gods exact for song: to become what we sing
-Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
-When the center of the storm does not move, you are in its path.


dromepixieveteran
1,463 posts
Location: Florida


Posted:
TOTALLY different ball game.
As far as I know lots of bit of South america and the Carribean are specialists in the field...
I am unsure of the practices in Mexico but if its called Cane rum it is made from sugar cane and has a fiery knock once you hock it back!

Like they say in the south 'itll grow the hairs on yer chest boy' (well least from where ma daddy's from )

Like I say my uncle is an expert in the field!

Its well good stuff if you are a fan of the hard core... Traditionally people run around all kinds of parties in PR with a massive glass 2+ gallon jug under one arm and a glass in the other... They hand people shots and watch them get drunk! Note the one with the jug usually is on the beer its in his back pocket... They just enjoy getting people slaugtered and it is so nice to get pissed on that stuff...

I could live off fresh sugar cane, and Pitorro (traditional Puertorican name for the stuff) 'agua ardiente is just a nickname for it...

So yeah its a totally different ball game! If you like Tequila and hard core whisky then you will like this although the intense burn overrides the taste so us got to become a pro before you can drink the stuff like real water

Hope I cleared it up for you,
Drome

JUGGLEwithyourmind!


arashiPooh-Bah
2,364 posts
Location: austin,tx


Posted:
see, see how much HOP can give?
can you feel the love?
drome pixie it sounds like you could spit and light it into fireballs like some cartoon character! "and let me tell ya, folks, that girl knows how to DRINK!!!!!!"

-Such a price the gods exact for song: to become what we sing
-Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
-When the center of the storm does not move, you are in its path.


dromepixieveteran
1,463 posts
Location: Florida


Posted:
yagh yagh yagh!
I's been taut by the best son!
You know moonshine and that
Ma daddy always told me 'you got the disease girl, if yous a reagan then yus gots an innar affinitey for alcohol, laike ah duuck in wwwater '

Funny though I have never been there but it feels like part of me! I wanna go to the south one day and talk the talk and walk the walk. But I aint want to be confused for an Alabama ...southernbell...
its always the baptist preacher's daughter isnt it...

Well yeah what can I say man I like alcohol!

Has some good uses! My dad has used it to sterilize wounds the good old way when nothing else was available...

Much happy drinking,
Drome

JUGGLEwithyourmind!


dulce flamesmember
234 posts
Location: Oceanside, California USA


Posted:
Thanks for the input. Off to Pemex it is... the alchol that I have is pure alchol de caa - es super barato. It's probably used in cane rum, but it's like 50 cents a 1/2 liter.. definately the cheap stuff!!! I{m off to make this work, because I just asked someone here what they used for fuel and they said gasoline from all i've read here, I think I will keep a distance.. Okay, wish me luck in the new fuel experimentation.
oh- the cheap tequila you're thinking of is probably Mezcal... though some of it is quite good stuff!!!!!!!!!!!

[ 23. November 2002, 13:47: Message edited by: dulce flames ]

dromepixieveteran
1,463 posts
Location: Florida


Posted:
um.. a... dulce *trying not to sound rude*

alchol de caa translates to cane rum and is NOT used in it... Its the same thing...

Is it so hard to believe that we've got our own alcoholic tendencies?! or is it just not well known... Most othe things are form other places... tequila, moonshine, sake you know what i mean...

*appologises for her latinos are considered inferior sometimes complex*

anyhow... its not me making this up... I reffered to it before see:

message nos 11-12... Sugarcanerum!

Much love and respect (sorry if I seemed to be a bit 'I know more than you about this')
Drome

JUGGLEwithyourmind!


AardvarkOnAcidmember
92 posts
Location: San Francisco Bay Area


Posted:
quote:
Originally posted by arashi:
great signature, dude! and yes, mixing fuels does work.
hey drome pixie, so i hear that bad tequila is tequila flavored sugar alcohol, do they use the same kind of sugar as cane alcohol, just a cheaper version? or is the cane stuff a whole different ball game? just curious

Booze of varied types is basically ethanol and water. Traces of methanol if it wasn't properly distilled, possibly a few longer chained alcohols and random other shit. If you can get it pure enough (i.e. >100 proof or 50% by vol or so) it burns. Not as nicely as some other fuels, but useable.

Ethanol is *not* soluble in pertroleum products (white gas, kero, lamp oil, diesel, etc) and if you mix them you'll just get two phases. Think oil on top of water. Mixing petroleum (or other nonpolar) based fuels together works, mixing petroleum and grain alcohol wont to any appreciable extent.

Is that all life comes down to? To be lying face down with an overenthusiastic guy in pink pin-striped pants sitting on top of you and grunting? -- Random MusingsSex, Drugs and Psytrance.


arashiPooh-Bah
2,364 posts
Location: austin,tx


Posted:
well yeah by it works i just meant that it doesn't matter if they actually mix or not, cause you get them both on your wick anyway. i use a parrafin mix with alcohol all the time. they both burn and that's all you need.

-Such a price the gods exact for song: to become what we sing
-Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
-When the center of the storm does not move, you are in its path.


FireMikeZLaguna dude
1,438 posts
Location: Laguna, California, US


Posted:
dulce, does your cane alcohol tell ya what proof it is, by any chance? which as ya prolly know's double the % number of alcohol; too low and the water in it will put out flame.

~ Mikie

molten cheers,

~ FireMike

FireMikeZ@yahoo.com (personal messages welcome, no promo spam, please!)
Laguna, California, US


dulce flamesmember
234 posts
Location: Oceanside, California USA


Posted:
Howdy all.. yes, the pure cane alcohol and the diesel worked fine.. Now i'm in other parts of mexico and my sister in law found me some parafin. just gotta check how it works.

quote:
um.. a... dulce *trying not to sound rude*

alchol de caa translates to cane rum and is NOT used in it... Its the same thing...

just so ya know, alchol translates to alcohol... Ron translates to rum. the stuff i was using was pure cane alcohol... Not pure cane rum, nowhere close to anything good and nothing i would put close to my mouth. I'm not saying that Mexico doesn't produce good alcohol and am nowhere close to saying that latinos are inferior.... This topic has nothing to do with any of those things. I'm just saying that I bought the absolute cheapest pure alcohol that I found for the sole purpose of burning it. I would not burn sugar cane rum. I would drink it.

no hard feelings... but this stuff ain't no sugar cane rum. If it was, it would have cost me much more than 5 pesos per plastic bottle..

other than that, thanks to all for their comments and help. I had some fun burns and hope to have some more here in Veracruz.

Maximusmember
250 posts
Location: Upland, CA., USA


Posted:
On a related note, anybody know if there is any problem getting fuel across the border? We have a gig in Mexico this weekend and we were planning to simply bring our fuel on the private bus we're traveling on.
We thought we'd carry brand new, never opened cans and then mix it and transfer it into our performance fuel containers when we got there.

FireMike, the last bottle of mezcal I had was 76 proof. "Aguardiente de cana." Mmmm.

Maximus

dulce flamesmember
234 posts
Location: Oceanside, California USA


Posted:
Maximus- I don't think there should be a problem getting the fuel across the border as people who are camping do it on a regular basis. I'll let you know if i hear anything different, but I don't think you'll have a problem.

Maximusmember
250 posts
Location: Upland, CA., USA


Posted:
Thanks, dulce.
Should you (or anybody else) be able to make it over, we'll be performing at the Oasis Club in Rosarito Beach, Baja, Mexico, this Saturday, Nov. 30th. Tickets still available:
www.rollinghardbajatour.com
If we have any leftover coleman or lamp oil, we'll be glad to give it to you. We should be easy to find--we're the fire dancers!
Vaya con Dios,

Maximus

dulce flamesmember
234 posts
Location: Oceanside, California USA


Posted:
Thanks for the invite and I hope you guys have fun. I'm actually closer to the Guatemalan border than the US border right now so I won't be able to make it, but I hope you get a great turn out!

Maximusmember
250 posts
Location: Upland, CA., USA


Posted:
For future reference, we experienced no trouble at either end of the trip with our fuel. The border guard was there, national guard troopsmen with latex gloves, bomb- and drug-sniffing dogs and everything. Going in was easy.
Coming out we had to bribe a cop to let us go around the huge line of cars. Then we got off the bus and they ran the dogs through. The promoter wanted me to stay with the bundles of staffs and canned fuel in case they had any questions. They had none. We had coleman and lamp oil in original containers and a mix in a red plastic fuel can. They had no questions for me, and I was ushered through the checkpoint quickly with the other anglos while our two big latino security guards, born and raised in the US, were being asked such questions as "What is the capital of Minnesota? Which is the "show me" state?"
The gig, by the way, was a blast. What's more, we got invited back. We'll be doing it again Dec. 28.

peace,
Maximus

FireMikeZLaguna dude
1,438 posts
Location: Laguna, California, US


Posted:
hella dope on the gig, Maximus. no stoppin on the route home, if ya came up I-5, tho, huh, damn ya? (*grin*) hey, gonna love seein ya in the flesh sometime soon.

76 proof mezcal tho? that's the last one ya had to drink, you couldn't flame that low alkie distill much, for sure.

hey, Maximus, any chance you & crew joining us for a major pyro party mon Dec 9 in Oceanside? there's a secret to it, watch out for an email from me on that. think ya were schemin about riding down with MikeGinny for TAO, right, but could we have your cavalier charm next week before all that? really would love to have ya, dude.

dearest dulce,

are ya out of Oceanside around the time we're getting these wonderful visitors, looks like Dom, Kyri, Gaja from HoP & friends, & having some pyro parties live music n all from Dana Point to Oside, Sunday Dec 8 & Monday Dec 9? come Sunday, maybe i'll cook ya a real taco myself...

???

and whatcha up to way South? treatin ya good?

email me if ya can would be best, otherwise PM me, wouldja?

with all my love,

~ Mikie

[ 03. December 2002, 12:27: Message edited by: FreMke ]

molten cheers,

~ FireMike

FireMikeZ@yahoo.com (personal messages welcome, no promo spam, please!)
Laguna, California, US


dulce flamesmember
234 posts
Location: Oceanside, California USA


Posted:
I'm back. Count me in for the party. You make tofu tacos? Diesel is a very smelly fuel, but it got the job done without explosions! Luckilly we ran into a party on a river in Veracruz last Saturady, so I got to light up all night to Psy-trance! And I finally pulled off btbw with fire! I had been worried about burning my face, but the first few times were a big step! With time it'll be a normal move !! Yeah!!! Thanks again for the help guys! Maximus - glad to hear your trip went smoothely. I hope your friends were able to remember their elementary history lessons... You never know what you'll get with an INS official!

pacoavendanoBRONZE Member
pacoavendano
2 posts
Location: Mexico D.F.


Posted:
pueds conseguir citronela la venden en cualquier home dipot, yo estoy en el df y si, la gasolina se acaba muy rapido pero la citronela dura mucho y no consume el keblar o el algodon que usas en tus cadenas

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