ben-ja-men
ben-ja-men

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Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?

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Gnor
Gnor

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Perth
Member Since: 31st Mar 2003
Total posts: 5814
Posted:eek
cheeky bint

Can you charge her a consultancy fee instead? wink


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Birgit
Birgit

had her carpal tunnel surgery already thanks v much
Location: Edinburgh
Member Since: 27th Jan 2005
Total posts: 4145
Posted:wanna come over and help with my PhD? I'll not bitch about programmes, but I'll make you cake instead biggrin hug

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polythene
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Location: London/ Surrey
Member Since: 15th May 2003
Total posts: 1359
Posted:If i were you i'd go and test it, then submit the paper yourself ubbangel

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Dunc
Dunc

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Location: The Middle lands
Member Since: 19th Aug 2003
Total posts: 7263
Posted:Yeah submit it and blow her phd or whatever it is out of the water...just for the laugh and the look on her face wink ubblol

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Posted:Can you please work on World Peace next? wink

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Kyrian
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Location: York, England
Member Since: 15th Mar 2002
Total posts: 4308
Posted:You should totally submit it... altho, i'm betting, thats *really* bad form when you have the same supervisor.....

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Konsti
Konsti

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Location: vineyards, Vienna, Austria
Member Since: 16th Oct 2003
Total posts: 785
Posted:well ok, if she doesnt want ur help then dont help her and let her bomb the course/seminar.

problem solved


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Pink...?
Pink...?

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Location: Over There
Member Since: 6th Apr 2002
Total posts: 6140
Posted:Wow! How rude is that!

hug

You should submit it!


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Gidg
Gidg

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Location: Portland Oregon USA
Member Since: 11th Apr 2003
Total posts: 8506
Posted:Take your toy and go home. By now she should be able to convert the program into the language that she uses. The least she could have done was to try and then when it didn't work ask for your help to plug the holes.

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Zauberdachs
Zauberdachs

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Location: The village of Edinburgh
Member Since: 28th Jul 2004
Total posts: 220
Posted:Jesus! Thats terrible frown But on the plus side it's people like her who are going to make you look like a genius in comparison smile

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Gnor
Gnor

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Perth
Member Since: 31st Mar 2003
Total posts: 5814
Posted:Written by: Patrick the Bubba Badger

Can you please work on World Peace next? wink


Does world peace have edge detection? wink


Is it the Truth?
Is it Fair to all concerned?
Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships?
Will it be Beneficial to all concerned?

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The Misguided Oracle
The Misguided Oracle

the floor is a sea of tigers...
Location: Brisvegas
Member Since: 31st Aug 2005
Total posts: 404
Posted:It should have 'cause I reckon there'd be a lot of rough edges to smooth over smile



but anyway, ben, couldn't you use the "i'm sorry but i don't program in ________" excuse to get her to stop asking for the code to be ported over to soemthing else?

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Eera
old hand
Location: In a test pit, Mackay
Member Since: 29th May 2003
Total posts: 1107
Posted:What's your supervisor like if s/he has let a student get that far into a project without picking up on these errors. I'd be casting around for a new one at this point.

A negative result is a perfectly valid one. As long as she's not labouring under the missapprehension that her results are pretty good then saying "I tried this method, it didn't really work. This may work better" is fine, if she hasn't got a huge amount of time left on the project then it may be too late for her to change methodology anyway.

Asking for help is fine. Asking for someone else to do work for her is a bit rich.


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Birgit
Birgit

had her carpal tunnel surgery already thanks v much
Location: Edinburgh
Member Since: 27th Jan 2005
Total posts: 4145
Posted:We've got a report to do, with 5 or 6 different supervisors, after the 1st year of the PhD (plus regular presentations in postgrad seminars). When the committee gets the impression that you're not up to the job, they can a. tell you and ask you to improve what's not good enough (= get a better idea of the topic, use different methods, learn to think for yourself) and then report again, or b. they recommend you don't continue your PhD because the way you work there's a good chance you won't get it in the end.

It can be quite mean, with some people trying to tear you into pieces, and there's also a time when your supervisor's not present so they can find out if he/she's actually doing all your work and thinking for you, or you can say if you're not happy with them.

I'd suggest you introduce that, but it's so much work and not really all that nice wink


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jeffhigh
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Location: Caves Beach, NSW
Member Since: 15th Oct 2005
Total posts: 89
Posted:ben,
why did you feel the need to tell the supervisor that this other students work was crap in the first place


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The Misguided Oracle
The Misguided Oracle

the floor is a sea of tigers...
Location: Brisvegas
Member Since: 31st Aug 2005
Total posts: 404
Posted:i reckon that it had to be done anyway. from what i understand, part of the goal of a phd is to contribute new knowledge to a body of knowledge. but if that new knowlege is crap, it dosen't contribute anything to the overall, thus requiring the judicious some form application of smackdown in one form or another. smile

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ben-ja-men
ben-ja-men

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Location: Adelaide
Member Since: 12th Jun 2003
Total posts: 2474
Posted:Written by: jeffhigh

ben,
why did you feel the need to tell the supervisor that this other students work was crap in the first place


the whole point in doing a phd is ur supposed to become really specialised in one area in that particular area ur supposed to know all the answers ..... did u read what i wrote about her proposed method of doing it? its quite possibly the worst approach you could go about trying to solve the problem ...... I told my supervisor how to solve the problem because i knew the answer ......

Written by: Eera
What's your supervisor like if s/he has let a student get that far into a project without picking up on these errors. I'd be casting around for a new one at this point.


hes been in america the last little while and busy organising applying for grants securing patents for the work of other students/she hasnt been going to meetings.

Written by: The Misguided Oracle
but anyway, ben, couldn't you use the "i'm sorry but i don't program in ________" excuse to get her to stop asking for the code to be ported over to soemthing else?

The really sad bit is i wrote it in c++ and the language she wanted was matlab which is based on c, the syntax is almost identical ..... i simply said no out of principle, however im thinking if shes really stuck of getting her to pay me to code it into a nice little dll file which effectively becomes a black box


Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?

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jeffhigh
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Location: Caves Beach, NSW
Member Since: 15th Oct 2005
Total posts: 89
Posted:Ben , I do understand the point of a Phd. If it was me and someone saw a flaw in my work , pointed it out to me and suggested a fix I would be very grateful.
If however, that person told my supervisor first, I would be pissed off.


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Kyrian
Dreamer
Location: York, England
Member Since: 15th Mar 2002
Total posts: 4308
Posted:Jeffhigh- It is my grand presumption that you're prolly smarter than her tho...

And unfortunatly some people are the other way around, I'm going to bet Birgit could find some examples of this and I know I've met them!

I dunno, its safer to go to the supervisor first since there's a record... a year and a half in to be that rubbish, I dunno....


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ben-ja-men
ben-ja-men

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Location: Adelaide
Member Since: 12th Jun 2003
Total posts: 2474
Posted:and why exactly would it piss you off jeff?

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?

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bender
still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Member Since: 14th Nov 2001
Total posts: 6979
Posted:ben, the problem is in fact that you are too talented. smile

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