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Written by: Patriarch917
My opinion on the issue, for those who really care, is that the idea that many people think women are somehow "responsible" for being raped is a myth espoused by the so called "radical" ............
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Written by: Patriarch917
perhaps there are people out there that would prefer a law that treats men and women as equals.
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Choosing to believe the woman or the man, based on their “credibility” alone is a very, very hard choice to make.
Ideally, there will be nearby witnesses who can say whether the woman was raped or not.
Written by: Seye
I'm going to quietly leave this post and take a few breaths and hope to god that no one who thinks people should be treated differently because of sex, age, race , etc. ever has a hand in running anything.
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New Hampshire has a point....
Keep your dream alive
Dreamin is still how the strong survive
Shalom VeAhavah
New Hampshire has a point....
Written by: KyrianWritten by: Seye
I'm going to quietly leave this post and take a few breaths and hope to god that no one who thinks people should be treated differently because of sex, age, race , etc. ever has a hand in running anything.
I don't even know where to start with this one. First of all you must be aware that most of the people who do run things hugely think this? But I'm assuming you do and its just not well written. But I did want to make sure.
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Secondly, it just shouldn't even be true... Yes, there's a lot of shite instances where discrimination happens and shouldn't, where such things *don't* matter.
But- You wouldn't want to put an 80yo or a 10yo in the same types of, say, prison labor as a 20yo...
Written by: Kyrian
Although in most cases racial discrimination is beyond wrong you would actually want to pick certain races or genders in advertising so you'll hit your target market....
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And I don't suppose anyone really thinks co-ed prisons are a good idea?
Written by: Kyrian
I don't think soldiers should be held to different standards in the army, or any of that affirmative action gone wrong stuff... I agree that things should be fairly equal under the law. But I'm pointing out that there are always going to be places where differences are necessary and should be acknowledged. And when people have to make laws and policies based on trends (as opposed to specific actions like court cases and job interviews, which are individuals) they may need to look at what the trends are for a specific group....
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Secondly, it just shouldn't even be true... Yes, there's a lot of shite instances where discrimination happens and shouldn't, where such things *don't* matter.
But- You wouldn't want to put an 80yo or a 10yo in the same types of, say, prison labor as a 20yo...
This is not a problem in the UK as we do not have physical labour in prisons as far as I am aware (I've never spoken to anyone who has been subjected to such work).
Written by: Seye
Children should not come into this debate as they are not able to be held fully responsible for their actions.
Written by: SeyeWritten by: Kyrian
Although in most cases racial discrimination is beyond wrong you would actually want to pick certain races or genders in advertising so you'll hit your target market....
If you have to concentrate on a specific group then the product that you are advertising is pointless. I really dont like the way that a products usefulness is now second to its marketting. There are a tiny number of products that are gender specific but anything that is considered 'ethnicity specific' is just plain offensive in this increasingly secular world. i.e. what is good for me is also good for people of other backgrounds.
Written by: SeyeWritten by: Kyrian
And I don't suppose anyone really thinks co-ed prisons are a good idea?
I'm not entirely sure why you think this? I dont see a good reason for seperating men and women. You would also have to have special prisons for gay men and women to make this rule universal.
Written by: Seye
If there are trends for specific groups (which there clearly are) then we need to address why here are 'groups' in the first place. We should be aiming for a fully intergrated society.
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Playing up to individuals who believe that they should have their own group is only going to create a wider divide.
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We are starting to see this in the UK now. I firmly believe that things like 'faith based schools' only create segregation and tension between groups. (Your personal faith has no relation to the things that you should be tought in school anyway but that is a different matter)
Written by: Seye
Back to the matter at hand - Men and women should be treated equally when someone is accused of rape. It is obscene that they are not.
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Children should not come into this debate as they are not able to be held fully responsible for their actions.
Ugh, I'll drop this one, but there's so many things I would have to pick on here. I hate age discrimination against "children" who are clearly more mature than their parents... The point at which responsibility is handed of is wrong in so many ways... *erk* /don't start rant... kyri... good girl....
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Although in most cases racial discrimination is beyond wrong you would actually want to pick certain races or genders in advertising so you'll hit your target market....
If you have to concentrate on a specific group then the product that you are advertising is pointless. I really dont like the way that a products usefulness is now second to its marketting. There are a tiny number of products that are gender specific but anything that is considered 'ethnicity specific' is just plain offensive in this increasingly secular world. i.e. what is good for me is also good for people of other backgrounds.
You may find this not to be the case when it comes to, say, a large variety of hair products! Similarly, certain cosmetics work best on certain skin tones... this runs a gauntlet from pale/less pale to of course all shades in between depending... even within a race you're going to have to be quite picky for some of the things the advertise! Finally, demographics of an area... in a 99% black local viewing area on a television station, you'd generally want people who look more like the people you're advertising to. In Korea, you'd want Koreans. In Japan, that would be a horrible move... so would using Japanese in Korea. And in Uruguay you prolly shouldn't use blonde american models... *giggles over this one*
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And I don't suppose anyone really thinks co-ed prisons are a good idea?
I'm not entirely sure why you think this? I dont see a good reason for seperating men and women. You would also have to have special prisons for gay men and women to make this rule universal.
Because the trend is that men tend to be bigger and stronger than women. And so, as a group, the woman are going to be easier to shove around and beat up ... particuarly by the otherwise low on the totem pole men. I don't think sex/sexuality is the biggest issue here (Its certainly a case of what you can get in many prisons) more that you're just offering up a group thats easier to pick on on the whole....
Written by: KyrianWritten by: Seye
If there are trends for specific groups (which there clearly are) then we need to address why here are 'groups' in the first place. We should be aiming for a fully intergrated society.
Groups create identity. And the less you are "on top" of society the more you need that. There will always be groups, and they will always want to be different...
Written by: KyrianWritten by: Seye
Playing up to individuals who believe that they should have their own group is only going to create a wider divide.
Now this is very very true. We need to get some serious work done to make people see how things should work out tho....Written by: Seye
We are starting to see this in the UK now. I firmly believe that things like 'faith based schools' only create segregation and tension between groups. (Your personal faith has no relation to the things that you should be tought in school anyway but that is a different matter)
Yeah. Not sure I see why it was brought up... but I agree anyway.
Written by: KyrianWritten by: Seye
Back to the matter at hand - Men and women should be treated equally when someone is accused of rape. It is obscene that they are not.
The one argument I see fmr the other side which I will give some credit to is if we do this consistently most non-violent rape will go unpunished. His word, her word, no evidence, no witnesses, innocent until proven guilty. And I mean non-violent in the sense of "doesn't leave a mark" not actualy "contains no violence..."
Now, this is, imo, exactly what a court of law should do. But what it will lead to is guys realizing they can get away with it... and so more cases. Unless women start not going places alone, etc, there's not going to be a good way to put a stop to the increase... and may lead, in certain circles, to quite a bit of violence between people seeking "revenge"
And that, I think, is where people start to get worried. Not saying this means anything *should* be different than perfectly fair, I'm pointing out what people worry about.... and that it is a valid worry, despite everything.
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Written by: Seye
I dont get the point of cosmetics. I think its truly bizzarre that women (and more and more men now) think its normal behaviour to paint themselves before they go outside.
Written by: Seye
I also dont think that the TV regions thing is important in any way. In fact I think it is conterproductive to creating an intergrated community. I dont think that the colour of your skin or the area that you were born in have anything to do with who you identify with. That is simply a form of subconscious racism that can be addressed by not picking people who look a certain way to appear on TV. I barely even notice a persons skin tone especially on TV (as a kid I dont think that I ever considered that the cast of Fresh Prince of Bel Air was 90% black - it never had any influence over how I saw the characters). Problems only arrise when people start trying to show you 'your demographic'. My demographic is human. I dont think it needs to be any more specific than that.
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And I don't suppose anyone really thinks co-ed prisons are a good idea?
I'm not entirely sure why you think this? I dont see a good reason for seperating men and women. You would also have to have special prisons for gay men and women to make this rule universal.
Because the trend is that men tend to be bigger and stronger than women. And so, as a group, the woman are going to be easier to shove around and beat up ... particuarly by the otherwise low on the totem pole men. I don't think sex/sexuality is the biggest issue here (Its certainly a case of what you can get in many prisons) more that you're just offering up a group thats easier to pick on on the whole....
If that is the reasoning then we also need to split prisons by weight and height within the sexes. The vast majority of people in prisons are of no danger to anyone. Most are in for non violent crimes and even some of those who were violent decide to change their ways. I think this is more true for the UK than the US but I'm not entirely sure. I know a few people who have spent time in british prisons and say that bullying really doesnt exist and the culture is more based on trying to 'make the most of it'.
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If there are trends for specific groups (which there clearly are) then we need to address why here are 'groups' in the first place. We should be aiming for a fully intergrated society.
Groups create identity. And the less you are "on top" of society the more you need that. There will always be groups, and they will always want to be different...
Again, I'm not so sure. I think we are conditioned to think that grouping ourselves is normal. In fact making yourself part of a 'group' removes certain free choices from you. Most of the people that I call friends fit into no group and are individuals who make their own choices. I'm sure there are a lot of people tagged as 'spinners' or 'hippies' who actually dont subscribe to any individual group ideology either.
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I think we are conditioned to think that grouping ourselves is normal.
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I'm sure there are a lot of people tagged as 'spinners' or 'hippies' who actually dont subscribe to any individual group ideology either.
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We should be aiming for a fully intergrated society.
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Finally to answer the initial question: YES I do believe that women in general carry some responsibility for rape in general - as for the individual cases, they have to be reviewed individually.
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YES I do believe that women in general carry some responsibility for rape in general
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you have just said yes women take responsibility for rape
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that psychiatrists have found "a fair number" (I don't have to undelay my statements with xx,xxxxx%-figures to prove that they are fact ---covers to avoid the incoming bottle thrown at him---)... that "a number" of the boys and girls in cases of incest (! - don't mix it up!) have no problem with what happened - exept for those implied and projected by society.
It was a day for screaming at inanimate objects.
What this calls for is a special mix of psychology and extreme violence...
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