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dani_babyboo
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Posted:came across this in the news

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it has appalled me for the fact that imho no woman should be blamed if they are raped, wether they dress flirty, flirt with a man, ect NO means NO and all men should no that...

besides the majority of rapes these days are not spur of the moment attacks, the majority is either drug rape cases where it is hard to prove the case and in which case the attacker can drug any victim in the club and then escort them out with there friends not realising and ppl thinking they are genuinely drunk or where the victim actually knows there attacker and so then it is a hard conviction because its usually when they been out on a date or in domestic situations...

then how do you say any of these are the victims fault...
its intimidating for the victim as they are either dazed from the drug or embarrassed someone they thought they knew are like that and when they finally do stop feeling so intimidated there is not a lot of physical evidence...
with date rape the drug wears off in 12 hours or so and by time the memory comes back there is no proof as a ot of ppl who date rape use condoms so there is no dna evidence... there is a classic story line on hollyoaks regarding date rape drug at the minute...

and that third of the population that think that are probably rapists anyway as there is about that many amongst us.


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Posted:i heard something abou this yesterday and couldn't actually believe what i was hearing.....

IMO every one has a right to dress how they want and act how they want. it does not give another person right to attack them whether it be verbally or physicaly. so when they say that the victims have to take some responsability if they are raped WTF!!!! have they not thought that being raped is traumatic enough without adding to it by making the Victim take some responsability for it too. Rape victims are not to blaim for what happened to them, its the rapists fault


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Posted:it's all about female empowerment. If women are partially to blame it means that men don't have all the power. Otherwise it's all mens fault, they took all the action, all the decisions and ultimately have full control over what happened and the woman was powerless.

that's the theory as I read it.
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Posted:Please note I'm not agreeing with what the article says about being flirty meaning you encourage men to rape you. And yes, there are many, many cases where there's absolutely no fault with the woman. But there are dangers you can avoid or reduce if you're careful.

I think that as a woman if you dress flirty when walking alone in a dangerous area, don't watch your drink / let people you don't know buy you one without accompanying them to the bar, you know what you're risking. It doesn't make it any better of the man. But then, I don't walk along the streets of a big town with my purse on open display when I know that there's pickpockets on every corner either. It's still wrong for them to steal my purse, but there's some precautions I can take.

This is NOT to say that ANYONE has the right to rape someone, take advantage of them being drunk/stoned/in a new area and lost etc. It's wrong, it's a terrible crime. But unfortunately, that's the way the world is at the moment, and as a girl you have to know the risks involved in being careless.

Part of that is, DON'T get so drunk that you can't defend yourself anymore. Spend a bit less money on drinks and a bit more on a taxi home instead of having to walk alone. DON'T go accepting drinks from strangers if you don't have a friend with you. Get the powders from the chemist that show if drinks have been spiked. If you go to a boy's place after a night out, know the risk. You shouldn't have to be so careful, but then there are lots of precautions you shouldn't have to take but have to because people are bastards.

Not saying that precautions will always help, or that you won't get into situations where you can't take any of them. frown

Another problem I think are the wrong rape accusations a small number of people make. They make everyone double as careful to believe the ones that were raped, and are great for lawyers to exploit. Noone in a right state of mind should be making wrong rape accusations, it hurts everyone who actually gets raped.


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Posted:i think no one has a right to force them selves on anyone
but i do believe in a fair legal system, in this court case the person who was alledgley raped could not remember if she consented or not. Its a hard one!


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Posted:THE TRUTH ABOUT RAPE & ABUSE


1 IN 20 WOMEN IN ENGLAND AND WALES HAS BEEN THE VICTIM OF RAPE

167 WOMEN ARE RAPED EVERYDAY IN THE UK

97% OF CALLERS TO RAPE CRISIS LINES KNEW THEIR ASSAILANT PRIOR TO THE ATTACK

ONLY 6% OF SEXUAL ASSAULTS ARE REPORTED TO THE POLICE

50% OF WOMEN DID NOT REPORT BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED THE POLICE COULD DO NOTHING ABOUT IT

CONVICTION RATES FOR THE SMALL NUMBER OF REPORTED CASES THAT REACH COURT HAVE FALLEN FROM 33% IN 1977 TO 5% IN 2003

GIRLS WHO HAVE BEEN SEXUALLY ABUSED IN CHILDHOOD ARE 4 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE RE-VICTIMISED AS ADULTS & MORE THAN TWICE AS LIKELY TO BECOME TEENAGE MOTHERS

THOSE WHO HAVE HAD SEVEN ADVERSE CHILDHOOD EXPERIENCES (VERBAL, PHYSICAL OR SEXUAL ABUSE AND/OR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE) ARE 33% MORE LIKELY TO ATTEMPT SUICIDE

ONLY 5% OF THOSE ACCUSED OF CHILD SEX OFFENCES ARE GIVEN PRISON SENTENCES

ADULTS WHO WERE SEXUALLY ABUSED IN CHILDHOOD ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. ONE STUDY FOUND THAT ALMOST HALF (48.9%) OF CHILDHOOD SEXUAL ABUSE VICTIMS BECAME VICTIMS OF A VIOLENT PARTNER AS AN ADULT. THIS COMPARED TO 17.6% OF NON-VICTIMS OF CHILDHOOD SEXUAL ABUSE.

67-90% OF WOMEN WITH ALCOHOL AND DRUG ADDICTION PROBLEMS ARE SURVIVORS OF CHILDHOOD SEXUAL ABUSE.

VICTIMS OF CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE ARE 27.7 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE ARRESTED FOR PROSTITUTION AS ADULTS THAN NON-VICTIMS.

5060% OF PSYCHIATRIC INPATIENTS AND 40-60% OF OUTPATIENTS WERE PHYSICALLY AND/OR SEXUALLY ABUSED AS CHILDREN.

ADULTS WHO EXPERIENCED CHILDHOOD SEXUAL ABUSE ARE 12 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO ATTEMPT SUICIDE THAN THOSE WHO DID NOT.




Also check out www.truthaboutrape.co.uk


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Posted:Dani_Babyboo I appreciate that you feel strongly about the rape issues, but please don't post entirely in Capital Letters. I'm sure the figures more than speak for themselves, and don't need to be "shouted" at us.

And what is the definition of "Rape" in the above statistics anyway? Presumably it's anything that isn't consensual, but that ranges from violent assault to the woman saying "Not tonight Jonny, I'm tired..." and then he goes ahead anyway. I'm fairly confident that 1 in 20 of the women I know have not been victims of rape...


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Posted:its a figure thats probably pretty close in the people I know i think. If incest is included in the figures.

I also see what Birgit is saying. This isnt talking about power rape situations. Its about where men get mixed signals. In a society where impulse control seems to be lowering and drugs and alcohol a common part of gatherings and so inhibitions on both sides lowered we have to take into account that often we arent that far away from other animals. Flirting and exposure in animal kingdom are a prelude to sex.

It worries me that our young girls do dress and act provocatively as current fashion is dictating to them. I think we need to try teach our kids about safety and dating. Some of the people I know who have been assaulted very little would have prevented it. They were assaulted by mentally disturded men who overpowered them in an opputunistic fashion. The assailents were prosecuted successfully and one is still behind bars 20 years later.

But I would hope that some of the assaults could be prevented with eduacation and sense. No way do I think we need to wear hijab either. I am not saying women ask for it, I am saying we as women need to be aware of other people and try to not give oppurtunities.


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Posted:Written by: brodieman

in this court case the person who was alledgley raped could not remember if she consented or not.



You don't want me to comment on that one. You really don't.


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Posted:Here in the States I'd always heard the number of women who are raped or sexually molested in their lifetime was 1 in 4-- and I personally consider that estimate rather low. If in the UK it's really 1 in 20, either somebody's seriously underestimating it, or you're pretty lucky.

Rape numbers for the US last year-- 248,000. And that's down by half from 1993. ...AND they think that only about 40% of the crimes are even reported, which again is probably optimistic. AND that number doesn't include numbers for victims under 12.

If the same percentage were affected in Britain, that'd be about 43,000 people. (not to forget, at least 10% of the victims are male)

The current estimate also is that about 10% of the male population is responsible for these acts to some extent or another. How's that for creepy? To go to school and know that 2 or 3 guys in every one of my classes has probably done something like this to someone, or will in the future. That's just twisted.



...I honestly don't understand how the hell this 'asking for it' mentality is even an issue. It's some kind of nauseating holdover from mideival times, some religious hysteria about women being inherently evil and tempting men pretty much just by existing. Yet people still buy into it. What the hell??

In all honesty, I don't think men are REALLY getting all that many 'mixed signals'. The problem is that so many of them are so damn socially maladjusted they can't sort OUT the 'signals' worth crap, and they buy into this responsibility-killing, women-really-want-it fantasy BS.

It's not THAT complicated, is it? Is this rocket science? To anybody with any sense or decency, a girl who seems uncomfortable, or is on some kind of mind-altering substance, should be off limits no matter what the hell she's wearing-- or no matter what the hell she -says- or does, if she's drunk. She could be stark naked and climbing you like a tree, but if she's drugged up, it should be an absolute nobrainer to go get her some damn help.

What kind of a society do we live in, where the long-term ramifications, regrets, and pains of another person are practically irrelevant to one's own sexual gratification? How screwed up do you really have to be, to find the idea of that sort of violence exciting?

...Then again, for hundreds of years women have been being told they're worthless and it's all their fault, so they're not exactly too smart about their behavior either, what with lacking the self-respect to be selective about their partners, not to mention lacking any decent self-defense skills. So maybe they ARE giving some "mixed signals", since they don't understand what the hell they really ought to value and protect, and that they don't need to behave in a sexually appealing way just to even be liked. Even so, sheer -idiocy- counts right up there with drugs and alcohol-- if it seems like a woman is hitting on a guy for -stupid-, self-destructive reasons, it ought to be common sense to walk the other way!!

I guess -nobody- knows what the hell they're doing. The expectations and assumptions are awful on both sides.


You know what I think? They ought to genetically engineer us some handy sphincter-type muscles that would make it physically IMPOSSIBLE to have sex with a woman who wasn't actually in the mood. It would change the whole face of civilization as we know it.

Okay, okay. Done ranting (for now).


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Posted:yes, that is disturbing - but even more so if you link it with todays headlines. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1888035,00.html


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Posted:i think it is actually a lot better in the UK. I know i feel safer and know of a lot less problems here than in the US!! 1 in 20 may still be low... but i'm confident its better than the US muchly!

and saying you shouldn't sleep with someone just because they're drunk... no, i really can't agree. if they drug themselves, they should accept the consequences. and if they say no, they should be respected, even if they only say it once, or five times, or whatever. honestly, i do think just if they're uncomfortable... but for gods sakes if they actually say "don#t edo x..." *sighs*


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Posted:Written by: Kyrian

and saying you shouldn't sleep with someone just because they're drunk... no, i really can't agree. if they drug themselves, they should accept the consequences. and if they say no, they should be respected, even if they only say it once, or five times, or whatever. honestly, i do think just if they're uncomfortable... but for gods sakes if they actually say "don#t edo x..." *sighs*


I think that the drunk thing was meant as a moral position rather than a legal suggestion. Personally I would never sleep with someone who was drunk (drunk, not just tipsy) since that would be taking advantage of someone who wasn't in full control.


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Posted:It would be interesting to have a study on what proportion of initial sexual encounters took place while one, or both, participents were drunk.

In the UK getting drunk, and having sex with someone you don't know, are standard Friday/Saturday night activites for many young people.

I don't think that many young people who see it as wrong to have sex with someone who is drunk, as long as the other person is consenting. Of course, being drunk tends to blur both participants judgement of what constitues consent.

The very best way to ensure that an individual does not find themselves in the situation of having sex while drunk, is to not get drunk in situations where you could be taken advantage of.

We all look forward to a day when everyone does the right thing, and people don't take advantage of drunk individuals; but that day is far away, and, till then, the best way to stay safe is to do what's necessary to take care of yourself.

This means recognising that, in our culture, a significant portion of men are, due to various issues concerning inadequacy etc, so desperate for sex/control, that they will ruthlessly take advantage of a woman (or man- men get raped too, and this tends to be even more under-reported than for womaen) who is basically less able to say 'no'.

They will certainly have sex with someone who is drunk.

On the other side of the coin, a significant portion of women do like getting drunk, and going in search of sex. Plenty of people have sex with each other whilst one, or both, are smashed, and would not see that as wrong.


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Posted:yea but there is a difference between drunk and unable to speek

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Posted:no one was arguing that. in case it wasn't clear i meant drunk but still able to walk, talk, etc. decently!

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Posted:Interesting article:
http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/0000000CAE8B.htm
br>Mentions that this has not set a precident or anything, merely that in this case there was simply no evidence that rape had occured - she couldn't remember if she'd give concent or not, she couldn't remember if she'd actually had sex or not...

Also worth reading:
http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/0000000CAE81.htm


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Posted:ok sorry for the caps but i copied and pasted the stats and was not re typing the whole lol out again

secondly drug rape is hard to remember i know ive been drugged but thankfully because i am an ex recreational user and the drug used for date rape (rohypnol) is same as ghb and i used to take ghb to help me go under (unconcious) for 4 hours so i was recovered for another clubbing night and fact it is also used in half measures to give a euphoric relaxed feeling between couples i know what it feels like and so i realised something was wrong i made it to the toilets and was found collapsed in there.... during the recreational times we would be semi unconcious and keep coming round and thats where the term going under came into action but we would be dazed and unclear as to what had actually happened during the approx 4 hours we was under


thirdly the couldnt remember one is a good case for the drug rape as you cant actually respond to whats happening around you when on that stuff and so you are left unsure and confused maybe you did say yes because you couldnt remember fighting them off or saying no but it is still rape as you was not concious enough to be in control...

yes woman should take better care but come on it is still under no circumstances the womans fault, i go out wearing fluffy bra's, skirts and boots and it leaves very little to the imagination but thats what i like about the hard dance scene ppl look out for each other and the security do too, in normal every day drinking establishments the security if they find someone to be too drunk they will kick them out male or female and that is worst time for people to get attacked if they have no phone and there friends are still in the pup or club...

this is a subject close to my heart and it does sicken me

oh as for stats being low the stats are based on what rapes are reported but with this sort of thing in the news women are less likely to speak out about it and so the stats stay lower


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Posted:I don't mean to sound rude, but the punctuation keys on your keyboard obviously work - there are a couple of full stops and commas in there.

It'd make your posts so much easier to read if the run-on sentences were broken up a little.


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Posted:Dani, please note that noone here has put even partial blame on women who get raped in situations they can't avoid, or after getting their drinks spiked. However.

1. If you don't know if you've been raped, you shouldn't sue. If you know you've been spiked and there's a person you think might have done it, that's a different thing, and wasn't at all clear from the post that said the girl couldn't remember. Though how she could remember who had spiked her if she doesn't remember a thing I don't know either.

2. If you choose to be unconscious by use of recreational drugs, no, noone has the right to rape you, but don't be surprised if someone will take advantage. We don't live in happyfluffybunny-land, and you CAN'T rely on the person finding you unconscious in a club toilet being a nice and helpful one. Grow up, I mean it. Do it at home or with friends.

3. If you have people looking out for you, that's the best insurance you can have. Unless they're just as drunk or on drugs as you are, in which case you should maybe reconsider who to trust with your life.


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Posted:Written by:
IMO every one has a right to dress how they want and act how they want. it does not give another person right to attack them whether it be verbally or physicaly. so when they say that the victims have to take some responsability if they are raped WTF!!!!



that might be your opinion, but its a bit naieve. act how you want without consequences? dress how you want without people forming opinions of you and acting on those opinions? our society, for the most part, bases its perceptions of people on their clothes, posessions, etc. usually those perceptions are formed without speaking to someone.

as a rasta i met the other week pointed out, what you put out in image is what you will attract. hence if you dress in very little, you will attract people who are drawn to that. you can complain about the unjustness of it all, but hey, lifes not just.

personally, although there is this whole 'empowerment' issue for women about wearing what they want and 'how dare you assume my dress makes me look available', if you go out looking like a hooker, and there are plenty of girls who do, then you should understand the risks. when i was at uni i remember one of those 'do i look ok' questions coming from this girl, and my mate turning round and telling her she looked like a hooker on a street corner. she was really offended, but in all fairness it was true.

fact is that women degrade themselves by dressing in nothing, degrade themselves by going out and getting completely pissed so that they can nolonger stand, and their actions slowly erode how much people respect them.

obviously there are many shades when dealing with a topic as sticky and divisive as this, and every case should be looked at on its own merrits. for me, a lot of it hangs on the extent to which you put yourself in a situation where someone can take advantage of you.


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Posted:Written by: mr squirrel


that might be your opinion, but its a bit naieve. act how you want without consequences? dress how you want without people forming opinions of you and acting on those opinions?





They may well be, that people have opinions of other people, but it doesn't mean that rape is an acceptable action based on your 'opinion' of someone. frown


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Posted:Written by: Gnarly Cranium

In all honesty, I don't think men are REALLY getting all that many 'mixed signals'. The problem is that so many of them are so damn socially maladjusted they can't sort OUT the 'signals' worth crap, and they buy into this responsibility-killing, women-really-want-it fantasy BS.




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You summed it up so well - A bullshit excuse offered over the years as a way of rapists not haivng to address their own behaviour.

It's complete bullshit that women deserve to be raped EVER.


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Posted:Written by: Ade

Written by: mr squirrel

that might be your opinion, but its a bit naieve. act how you want without consequences? dress how you want without people forming opinions of you and acting on those opinions?


They may well be, that people have opinions of other people, but it doesn't mean that rape is an acceptable action based on your 'opinion' of someone. frown


No-one is saying that. If I can paraphrase mr squirrel I think what he meant is that if someone dresses like a slag they would get called one.


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Posted:why call anyone a 'slag' at all - what does that actually mean? What is the implication behind calling someone a slag?

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Posted:It's British slang.

Urban Dictionary Definition of Slag

Like I said, I'm just paraphrasing.


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Posted:I'm fairly sure that no-one in this thread has said that rape is ever justified.

Several have pointed out ways in which women/men can increase the chances of being assaulted.

Pointing these things out, is in no way an attempt to excuse or justify the actions of rapists.


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Posted:Fact is, if you dress a certain way, you will be treated a certain way. Also, people will have pre-concieved ideas about:

What music you like.
What your room looks like.
Who you hang out with.
What job you have.
Your political viewpoint.

Just because I wear black most of the time, I got these specific preconceptions from someone I'd never spoken to before (because of an off-hand comment about what they expected me to like, I decided to ask about all of it).

They assumed:

I listened to Metal and/or Thrash. I don't.
That I'd have lots of posters with bands on. I don't. Most of my posters are Egyptian.
That I hung out with Goths or Stoners. I don't.

So many preconceptions, so little time to dispel them all... rolleyes

But if I get that many preconceptions simply for wearing black 90% of the time, what do you get if you walk around in a mini-skirt more accurately described as a belt, and a top that covers slightly less than your average bra?

I know that I avoid girls dressed like that on principle. I don't want to offend people so I won't say what my assumptions are. But they're there. It's like having a huge sign saying "Look at all the flesh you can have if you'd only try it on with me". Shame that most people who see that are too hammered to be particularly subtle about it.


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Posted:Written by:
They may well be, that people have opinions of other people, but it doesn't mean that rape is an acceptable action based on your 'opinion' of someone.



no, clearly it doesent. i agree with you. and my post didnt say it did. your reply seems to attribute an opinion to me that i dont have, and comes across as if you missed the point of what i said. read the post, and try to understand what it says.

the post also doesent call women slags. (paraphrasing shoulnt really change the meaning...). it says that if you dress like a hooker, you shouldnt be suprised if people think of you as an object rather than a person with a consience. you also shouldnt be suprised if people who think of women as objects are attracted to you.


did i leave the iron on?

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jo_rhymes
jo_rhymes

Momma Bear
Location: Telford, Shrops
Member Since: 10th Apr 2005
Total posts: 4525
Posted:it doesnt matter how you dress, how you act, whether you act like a slut. A rapist will rape you regardless. frown

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jeff(fake)
jeff(fake)

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Location: Edinburgh
Member Since: 15th Apr 2005
Total posts: 1189
Posted:Written by: mr squirrel

the post also doesent call women slags. (paraphrasing shoulnt really change the meaning...). it says that if you dress like a hooker, you shouldnt be suprised if people think of you as an object rather than a person with a consience. you also shouldnt be suprised if people who think of women as objects are attracted to you.


Sorry to put words in your mouth mr squirrel. I was just trying to defend you when it looked like Ade was accusing you of condoneing rape and you weren't around. frown


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