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Pile of turd I thought, liked he first one couse it was orrigional and had a good plot to it. The second just seemed like action action action all the way through and there for the shameless escuse to blow things up and make money, and the third neo turns into some sort of super hero with magic powers outside the matirx or something, then at the end he fights the rogue agent whatever his name is, LOOSES the fight and somehow that makes him win? the fights are all very unimaganative just the same looking as the first two films and coverd in sily explosions and silly CG affects to cover up the boringess that fights have become in the film.
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I concur. At one time, I would have said that the Matrix was my favorite movie. However, the sequals were so bad that they made me hate the first one as well just for being linked with them.
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I really liked the first one even when I first saw it when I was ikkle and not really understanding the underlying messages (even before good ol' testosterone kicked in I was fond of watching a wicked scrap).
Now that I'm a bit older, I can fully appreciate it for what its saying.
The Wachowski Brothers (sp?) are geniuses. Having recently rewatched it, I really enjoyed the way thr brothers drew from Plato's analogy of the cave and stuff.
Whilst the sequels were vastly dissapointing, and totally shallow, they still have a certain rewatchability to them.
And I still prefer The Matrices to the bloody LOTR trilogy. Can't stand them. Booooooooooooring.
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It's ironic that Smith is actually more of a human character than Neo is in the last film.
The first film remains my second favourite film of all time. The fight scenes are still amazing (atmosphere is perfect) and they disperse the philosophy pretty well.
They didn't manage this in their second and third, it's "Fight, Fight, Philosophy-talk-that-no-one-who-isn't-doing-a-degree-on-it-is-interested-or-cares-about, fight, fight".
Kinda like LOTR, the first film is the best, the other two just go downhill. Return of the King: "Greates film of our time"
yeah, like if by "our time" you mean "This month"... After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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I agree with you Joe that the first one was great and original and the other two were more disappointing, however there are a few things I think you fail to grasp.
Firstly due to the landmark film 'The Matrix' was it was fairly obvious a sequel and a thrid one would occur considering thats what studios do, they make a film it makes money so they think they are onto something and really will stop doing it when it fails to make more money, which is why i dont think we have seen the last of the series of matrix movies, even if its a straight to dvd feature.
I think also it seems you actually dont understand the trilogy by saying things like
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and the third neo turns into some sort of super hero with magic powers outside the matirx or something, then at the end he fights the rogue agent whatever his name is, LOOSES the fight and somehow that makes him win?
it seems apparent that maybe the film didnt have your full attention so maybe the matrix and its trilogy just isnt your kind of film?
Its a shame that Hollywood has to revert back to big explosions and extreme CG fighting in order to make a film 'better' and yes the matrix has suffered due to it, but still there is a lot in that film, and bear in mind that the 3 main film that make up the matrix trilogy are not the complete 'Matrix Saga' I guessing you havent seen the 'Animatrix' or played the game 'Enter the Matrix' they both actually coincide with the triology and make it more understandable and maybe then you can appreciate it a little more for what it is.
Matrix one? Verdict: Landmark film making, original and great
Matrix Trilogy? Verdict, Room for much improvement
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random thought - i was watching Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure last night 
That was made in 1988, The Matrix (first one) was made in 1998 - watching Bill and Ted makes you realise just how much special effects had gotten better over ten years.I saw the second Matrix in the cinema, and was so appalled by how crap it was I ended up watching the thrid one on a borrowed dvd. The 2nd and 3rd were never going to be as good as the first one, but hey. Parts 2+3 should be viewed as one long film for it to make sense.
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Bill and Ted's Excellent adventure also makes you realize Keanu Reeve's acting hasn't improved one ounce over 10 years.
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LOTR is highly over rated, Matrix could have been the best thing since the godfather trilogy, but they got too bullet time obsessed and forgot the story and directing, oh yeah and the script.
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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LOL @ the last two posts. Actually mr reeves can act Ive seen him do a nice job in The Gift, its just hes allways getting these brooding stoic (right word?) dark mysteriouse rolles, plus he has the same dark haired constantine/the matrix look that to go with these parts.
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reeves cant act, he plays the same role over and over again, the role i have dubbed the "Woah" role...ok lets look at his career
'89 Bill & Ted - the origin of "Woah"
'90 the Bill & Ted TV series - Animated "Woah"
'91 Bill & Ted and Point Break - "Woah" the sequel and Surfer "Woah"
'92 Dracula - Supposedly his best film, and aparently not a "Woah" in sight
'94 Speed - High speed "Woah"
'95 Johnny Mnemonic - High tech future "Woah"
'97 Devil's Advocate - I Slept With My Sister "Woah"
'99 The Matrix - The Ultimate "Woah"
'00 The Replacements - American Football "Woah"
'03 The Animatrix, Matric Reloaded+Revolutions - Animated Ultimate "Woah" and Crap "Woah"
'05 Constantine - Angels and Demons "Woah"
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You suck Henry...
Terribly sorry Ma'am. But this kid didn't study media studies unlike some funky chaps and chapesses.
Nor does he feel like going into much detail, especially seeing as there's a rather nasty english essay I must attend to.
But I knows some good philosphy rip offs when I sees them
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The Frist matrix is and will be for a while, my fav movie of all time. the atmospere in it is perfect and it doesnt deviate from it at any time. the fight scenes were perfectly coriographed (sp?) and rehersed, with some of the best wire stuff ive seen in a while. The story is nuts complicated and takes a few times to get it (which i didnt mind doing). the best thing about it was the advertising (well here it was), you never saw previews or anything to even hint at what the movie was about. all we got was "what is the matrix?" everywhere we looked, so you went into the movie completely blind.
but as for the 2nd and 3rd, a bitter dissapointment. the story was stretched to thinly and was way to complicated to be even considered realistic in the world of the movie. the fight scenes were mostly CG, and even though reeves was still used for the motion capture in some of them, nothing beats real fleash and sweat, plus they didnt do a good job of hiding it, the "playdoh factor" as i call it was to easy to spot. The final fight between neo and smith was utter *beep*, just and excuse to blow a big budget on CG, plus the fight had no structure to it, just aimless punch up, not like the fight between neo and ceraph (sp?), glamorous style and techique. the mood of the first movie was carried over but was intermingled with love, heroic and dispare stories.
although i still am a big fan of the trilogy, and still watch it all on occasions, i will admit that the sequels spoilt it a bit. but still watchable.
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Vampyricacid, quick thing while i go off to uni again but Godfather trilogy!! come on!! major disappointment, godfather one it should have stayed as
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reeves cant act, he plays the same role over and over again, the role i have dubbed the "Woah" role...
haha, tom cruise is the same! whatever happens in whichever film he's in, he still has the same expression. it completely ruined war of the worlds (well, ok, it put the final few nails in the coffin)...'hey kids' 'oh no thats an alien' '[censored] i'm about to die' and 'thank god you're alive son' - ALL THE SAME FACE!
well, at least he'll never need botox.
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The War of the Worlds manages to be bad all by itself.
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Reeves can't act...but he looks hot naked with all sorts of gizmos poking in his skin...
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The War of the Worlds manages to be bad all by itself.
That's just wrong!
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Maybe this thread should be renamed 'The Science Fiction Discussion Thread'?
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I think Kieron's trying to imply the film sucked? (i agree with that totally)...not the book
The Matrix Trilogy was a bad mistake. The first film was a great standalone with a great plot (messed with my head when I first saw it), but because people loved it so much, I think the Wachowski brothers decided to milk it for all its got...so they spewed out the other two...
I'd have preferred if they did something like Tolkien did and produced books or something which explained the world and timeline, instead of make 2 films after and try to cram in the information.
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I think the brothers had it all planned from the beginning.
Or at least, thats what they want us to think...
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Reeves can't act...but he looks hot naked with all sorts of gizmos poking in his skin...
Now thats a fetish!
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lol says harvy
I bought the matrix online for a tenner, terrible it is. Thank god they give you a month for free with subscription games, need to work out what to do with the cd now, maybie burn it or stick glitter and googly eyes on it and hang it on a string hehe
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Send it to meeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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LOL, you know i might do that Ive go nothing else to do with the cd. You can have it for nothing too. Does anyone going to the manc meet know your adress I could give it to them with a stamp if you really want it.
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I don't think I have a computer that could handle it. Or a good enough internet connection.
And I don't think any of the manc lot have my adress (come to think of it, I know of only one HoPper who has it...)
But thankee for the offer
*back on topic*
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just a point about how smith dies, i think its kind of about neo createdd him by becoming part of him(when he dived into him in the matrix) so when smith entered neo, he was actually undoing his own creation. this could be totally off, but i think it sounds plausable, as plausuable as anything else that crazy movie said
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Yes, I meant the film sucked.
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Vampyricacid, quick thing while i go off to uni again but Godfather trilogy!! come on!! major disappointment, godfather one it should have stayed as
Godfather 2 is considered by most as the best of the trilogy, so without the trilogy it wouldnt have gotten better
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The matrix 1 was in no way original or revolutionary. Watch "Dark City" its like ten years earlier, and addresses all the same plot points, albiet without as polished a plot, but anyone kan fix the little problems with a book thats already written
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Actually, Dark City is only one year older then The Matrix, but I agree - it's a far better film.
The special effects in The Matrix really weren't even that groundbreaking - I'd seen the swooping camera thing done on Tomorrow's World years beforehand.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
Carpal \'Tunnel
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Hmm maybie you right come to think of it, and you know 'bullet time' wgich is so loved by everyone, is to me just slow motion with ripples lol, whats new about that!?
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3d slow motion
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