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Location: Oregon, USA
Posted:
i have met too many prima donnas in fire performance, to the point where i feel this statement is necessary. they feel that since they perform with fire, often with all the stage performance of WHITE NOISE, that they are entitled to treat anyone without a regular gig as nobodys, and the audience gets no respect at all, not so much as a bow, or a "thank you."
here's the point i am trying to make: AS PERFORMERS, EVERYTHING WE ARE AND EVERYTHING WE HAVE COMES WITH A DEBT. it is a debt we owe to the audience. we owe it to the people on the drums. we owe it to the person in the DJ booth. we owe it to the person who saw us perform and had the good graces to bring us into their fold by hiring or inviting us to perform for them. it is a debt that we are not done paying until the last memory of who we are and what we do is gone, faded into history. look at elvis. he'll never be done paying. no one will forget the "thank you, thank you very much" with the roguish turn of his lip as he spoke. but if you treat the audience like PVAEMENT to walk all over, never thank the drummers, the dj, or the people that brought you to where you are, you will be forgotten and forgotten quickly. FAME, NO MATTER HOW GREAT OR SMALL, IS FLEETING. never forget that. if fame is not what you're in it for, fine. personally i'm in it for the fun of performing, but fame has come anyway. even if i had no audience, i would still be performing, if only to myself. but i have an audience to please, so i perform to them. i do not use static performance routines, i play TO the crowd, not just IN FRONT of them. i thank them for attending, and call the drummers up to center stage for their rightful bow at the end of the show. i thank the people that brought me in to perform. i never forget. i never will. and neither should any other performer.
i have met too many prima donnas in fire performance, to the point where i feel this statement is necessary. they feel that since they perform with fire, often with all the stage performance of WHITE NOISE, that they are entitled to treat anyone without a regular gig as nobodys, and the audience gets no respect at all, not so much as a bow, or a "thank you."
here's the point i am trying to make: AS PERFORMERS, EVERYTHING WE ARE AND EVERYTHING WE HAVE COMES WITH A DEBT. it is a debt we owe to the audience. we owe it to the people on the drums. we owe it to the person in the DJ booth. we owe it to the person who saw us perform and had the good graces to bring us into their fold by hiring or inviting us to perform for them. it is a debt that we are not done paying until the last memory of who we are and what we do is gone, faded into history. look at elvis. he'll never be done paying. no one will forget the "thank you, thank you very much" with the roguish turn of his lip as he spoke. but if you treat the audience like PVAEMENT to walk all over, never thank the drummers, the dj, or the people that brought you to where you are, you will be forgotten and forgotten quickly. FAME, NO MATTER HOW GREAT OR SMALL, IS FLEETING. never forget that. if fame is not what you're in it for, fine. personally i'm in it for the fun of performing, but fame has come anyway. even if i had no audience, i would still be performing, if only to myself. but i have an audience to please, so i perform to them. i do not use static performance routines, i play TO the crowd, not just IN FRONT of them. i thank them for attending, and call the drummers up to center stage for their rightful bow at the end of the show. i thank the people that brought me in to perform. i never forget. i never will. and neither should any other performer.
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Posted:
Ahhhh, well for the record I still don't understand how I pretended to know you. Unless using an inclusive pronoun does that by default?
But I'm now going to state my opinion, to get this thread back on track.
If I were reading your first post again, I would notice that you don't make any reference to their maybe being previous threads on this topic, an implicit statement that we have obviously never considered this topic before. And you don't state it's a rant or anything like that either.
You put "professionals" in quotation marks. Obvious anyone who considered themselves professional before, should reconsider after what you say, cos what you're about to say clearly demonstrates your more "professional" than everyone else. Obviously if I was a professional, I wouldn't have a blanket set of rules that I could never stray from, I would consider each situation in context, a point NYC clearly makes.
OMG you do charity work! Wow, some people on here work for charities full time.
And maybe I'm nitpicking now, but so is anybody who disagrees with you or even comments.
Snap judgements and jumping to conclusions? Whatever dude, I agreed with you on some points, I just didn't feel the need to post until half way through. And if you really want people to jump to conclusions (like you have already done several times), then you should stop using smileys so people find it much harder to figure out your tone of voice, and reply appropriately. I mean why would you want to do anything to help people understand you? That would be silly.
I could go on, but I think I've had enough excitement for today.
Ahhhh, well for the record I still don't understand how I pretended to know you. Unless using an inclusive pronoun does that by default?
But I'm now going to state my opinion, to get this thread back on track.
If I were reading your first post again, I would notice that you don't make any reference to their maybe being previous threads on this topic, an implicit statement that we have obviously never considered this topic before. And you don't state it's a rant or anything like that either.
You put "professionals" in quotation marks. Obvious anyone who considered themselves professional before, should reconsider after what you say, cos what you're about to say clearly demonstrates your more "professional" than everyone else. Obviously if I was a professional, I wouldn't have a blanket set of rules that I could never stray from, I would consider each situation in context, a point NYC clearly makes.
OMG you do charity work! Wow, some people on here work for charities full time.
And maybe I'm nitpicking now, but so is anybody who disagrees with you or even comments.
Snap judgements and jumping to conclusions? Whatever dude, I agreed with you on some points, I just didn't feel the need to post until half way through. And if you really want people to jump to conclusions (like you have already done several times), then you should stop using smileys so people find it much harder to figure out your tone of voice, and reply appropriately. I mean why would you want to do anything to help people understand you? That would be silly.
I could go on, but I think I've had enough excitement for today.
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Location: Edinburgh
Posted:
i think perhaps you are reading my posts (except the second two since charles' ) with a bit more of a temperamental inflection... i am a bit more of a "less tact, more point" person. i often speak in a straightforward manner, and it gets taken as being rude or impolite. sorry if you think i am. it's more of a "you gotta actually HEAR the words SPOKEN by the person typing them, as reading them can be done in any emotion, and you'll read what you wish to read into it" situation, really.
Written by: Frederick the RecklessWritten by: Zauberdachs
Yo Fredrick the berk, or whatever you name is, this is "social discussion" forum. Let us look at the word discussion:
"1. Consideration of a subject by a group; an earnest conversation.
2. A formal discourse on a topic; an exposition."
So you went on the "discussion" forum and are now upset with people talking about your opinion? You need to find the "dictating to" forum...
ah, and now we begin with the name calling... and funny how you spelled "Frederick" wrong, it's only ONSCREEN for you to read... consider yourself ignored from here on out. sod off.
i think perhaps you are reading my posts (except the second two since charles' ) with a bit more of a temperamental inflection... i am a bit more of a "less tact, more point" person. i often speak in a straightforward manner, and it gets taken as being rude or impolite. sorry if you think i am. it's more of a "you gotta actually HEAR the words SPOKEN by the person typing them, as reading them can be done in any emotion, and you'll read what you wish to read into it" situation, really.
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Troupe Leader and founder, Fire and Steel
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Location: Oregon, USA
Posted:
not once did i claim to be more professional than everyone else. some "professionals" are rather unprofessional. that is the shortest way to put it. i explained my opinion of a professional manner, citing what myself and my troupe do. sorry if it's the only example i have. the shows i do are all at outdoor events, not raves, not nightclubs. we ARE the show. the others i see that do them act like prima donnas. it's disgusting.
and this is the OFFICIAL APOLOGY: sorry. didn't mean to jump to the conclusion that you are pretending to know me... have a nice day
are we done yet?
not once did i claim to be more professional than everyone else. some "professionals" are rather unprofessional. that is the shortest way to put it. i explained my opinion of a professional manner, citing what myself and my troupe do. sorry if it's the only example i have. the shows i do are all at outdoor events, not raves, not nightclubs. we ARE the show. the others i see that do them act like prima donnas. it's disgusting.
and this is the OFFICIAL APOLOGY: sorry. didn't mean to jump to the conclusion that you are pretending to know me... have a nice day
Frederick the Reckless,
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Posted:
What was everyone talking about again?
What was everyone talking about again?
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Troupe Leader and founder, Fire and Steel
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Location: Oregon, USA
Posted:
poodles. yeah, that's it. everyone was talking about poodles.
poodles. yeah, that's it. everyone was talking about poodles.
Frederick the Reckless,
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Posted:
Yay!
Free Poodles for everyone!
I'll be off now...
Yay!
Free Poodles for everyone!
I'll be off now...
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Liquid Cow
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Location: High Wycombe, England
Liquid Cow
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Posted:
Sometimes terms like that need to be defined in a thread, otherwise people end up confused.
Call it nitpicking if you like, but it's only a very small minority of people who actually want to annoy you - every one else is just trying to clarify what's posted so they can get on with the discussion.
Written by: Frederick the Reckless
no, i define that as practice, too...
Sometimes terms like that need to be defined in a thread, otherwise people end up confused.
Call it nitpicking if you like, but it's only a very small minority of people who actually want to annoy you - every one else is just trying to clarify what's posted so they can get on with the discussion.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
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Posted:
yay for poodles!
yay for poodles!
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Posted:
Forks! Argh I only have SPOONGUARD!
Er otherwise. Cool.
Forks! Argh I only have SPOONGUARD!
Er otherwise. Cool.
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Posted:
thank god for that, thought for a minute this thread was gonna turn nasty
thank god for that, thought for a minute this thread was gonna turn nasty
Gayle.....!
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Posted:
juggling 3 flaming poodles, a wet guinea pig and a prune-eating weasel... and a fork. sounds like a good show, yes?
juggling 3 flaming poodles, a wet guinea pig and a prune-eating weasel... and a fork. sounds like a good show, yes?
Frederick the Reckless,
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Posted:
mental note: gotta learn to juggle.
mental note: gotta learn to juggle.
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Still wiggling
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Still wiggling
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Posted:
Well, I for one, think it's poo and I hate you all
*shimmy, shimmy, wiggle*
Well, I for one, think it's poo and I hate you all
*shimmy, shimmy, wiggle*
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Troupe Leader and founder, Fire and Steel
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Posted:
i could add poo to the juggling act...?
i could add poo to the juggling act...?
Frederick the Reckless,
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Posted:
now thats just plain irish
now thats just plain irish
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Posted:
Can you juggle 7 things?
Can you juggle 7 things?
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Posted:
no, i can't juggle, except for contact staff, baton, battle axe,knife, or sword... not kidding.
and i am 1/4 irish, does that count?
no, i can't juggle, except for contact staff, baton, battle axe,knife, or sword... not kidding.
and i am 1/4 irish, does that count?
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Basu gasu bakuhatsu - because sometimes buses explode
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Posted:
jesus, I can't even juggle listening to my girlfriend and doing anything else together.
jesus, I can't even juggle listening to my girlfriend and doing anything else together.
To do: More Firedrums 08 video?
Wildfire/US East coast fire footage
LA/EDC glow/fire footage
Fresno fire
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Posted:
in that case, neither can i...
in that case, neither can i...
Frederick the Reckless,
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Still wiggling
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Still wiggling
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Posted:
Puh... 1/4 irish doesn't count at all!!!
You have to have been raised on a diet of constant meat and potatoes, with occasional artery-hardening full fried irish breakfasts to be half irish.
To be fully irish you need to be living in houses with low roofs (anti-juggle) and when you step outside it must be either torrential rain or galeforce winds.
And that's in the summer.
Puh... 1/4 irish doesn't count at all!!!
You have to have been raised on a diet of constant meat and potatoes, with occasional artery-hardening full fried irish breakfasts to be half irish.
To be fully irish you need to be living in houses with low roofs (anti-juggle) and when you step outside it must be either torrential rain or galeforce winds.
And that's in the summer.
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Classically British
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Classically British
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Posted:
I think you'll find all of this has been discussed before....
Please do a search.
Now, pardon me - I'm off round the world for year
I think you'll find all of this has been discussed before....
Please do a search.
Now, pardon me - I'm off round the world for year
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Still wiggling
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Still wiggling
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Posted:
Getting to the other side
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Location: Oregon, USA
Troupe Leader and founder, Fire and Steel
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Location: Oregon, USA
Posted:
so in other words:
be a high- carb carnivore... check.
live in low-budget crappy housing... check
and it must be pouring rain or blowing you down in a gale...in the summer... so, right, Oregon... check!
yay! i'm irish!
Written by: Firepoise
Puh... 1/4 irish doesn't count at all!!!
You have to have been raised on a diet of constant meat and potatoes, with occasional artery-hardening full fried irish breakfasts to be half irish.
To be fully irish you need to be living in houses with low roofs (anti-juggle) and when you step outside it must be either torrential rain or galeforce winds.
And that's in the summer.
so in other words:
be a high- carb carnivore... check.
live in low-budget crappy housing... check
and it must be pouring rain or blowing you down in a gale...in the summer... so, right, Oregon... check!
yay! i'm irish!
Frederick the Reckless,
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Still wiggling
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Still wiggling
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Posted:
Well done
Welcome to our special, elitist clan
You are now allowed to wear green on St Patricks day, and constantly moan about anything and everything without being considered rude.
You are also expected to have razor sharp wit and use caustic sarcasm as often as possible.
Well done
Welcome to our special, elitist clan
You are now allowed to wear green on St Patricks day, and constantly moan about anything and everything without being considered rude.
You are also expected to have razor sharp wit and use caustic sarcasm as often as possible.
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Troupe Leader and founder, Fire and Steel
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Troupe Leader and founder, Fire and Steel
241 posts
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Posted:
so in other words, i should LYE?
so in other words, i should LYE?
Frederick the Reckless,
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Posted:
Love Young Elephants?
Lose Your Eyes?
Leave You Empty?
Low Yearly Expectations?
Love Young Elephants?
Lose Your Eyes?
Leave You Empty?
Low Yearly Expectations?
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Super Gidg!!!!
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Super Gidg!!!!
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Posted:
I was going to reply to this, but on second thought decided that it wasn't really worth it because the subject has been derailed a good dozen times. I'm just guessing on how many times because I lost count while reading this thread.
I was going to reply to this, but on second thought decided that it wasn't really worth it because the subject has been derailed a good dozen times. I'm just guessing on how many times because I lost count while reading this thread.
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Posted:
Lye, as in the base compound... very caustic and often used to clear out drains.
witty and caustic, get it?
Written by: Firepoise
You are also expected to have razor sharp wit and use caustic sarcasm as often as possible.
Written by: Frederick the Reckless
so in other words, i should LYE?
Lye, as in the base compound... very caustic and often used to clear out drains.
witty and caustic, get it?
Frederick the Reckless,
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Posted:
ive never heard of it.
Now I have though.
Thank you,
ive never heard of it.
Now I have though.
Thank you,
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Troupe Leader and founder, Fire and Steel
241 posts
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Posted:
yeah, as you can see, even I gave up.
yeah, as you can see, even I gave up.
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