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Richee
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Posted:This thread describe view on routine.



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Routine is specific sequence of moves. Can be cyclic, meen that

the sequence repeat or open with beginning and the end.



Routine is dividedby moves we use and how they follow each other.



Set - Each parts of routine we can divide into, those which be-

longs to one another according to specific character, let call them

set. Then set can be:



a)Family of moves (Weave)

b)Fundamental family (Pendulums)



Key - Link move between sets. Than allways we want to move

frome one set to another is needed to find the propper key.



a)Family of moves



If we stay in one family. The key is only right hand placement, tran-

sition in family. (Weave->Wind mill)



b)Opposite to Same way spinning



This is exeption. In this case the key is one omove from fundamental

family below.



Drop & pick up, Still, Pendulum, Gilligan, Wrap,Recoil&kick, Throw

or Catch




c)Move family to fundamental family



In transition from move familiy to fundamental family is the key the

move from fundamental family. Because to make a move from fun-

damental familiy is necessary initial move from move family.



d)Fundamental families



Transition between fundamental families belongs to "Combined ca-

tegory" and every key is unique.



Sequence - Lets call combination of sets, sequence. Sequence is

curious part of routine that connect single families. It can be:



a)Combination of move families

b)Combination of Fundamental families

c)Combination os both families



So, combination of sets and keys. Is that routine where every set

can repaet. Like:



Weave > Wind mill > Wrap > Butterfly > Mexican Weave



If only keys can repeat, lets call that routine Trail. If sets can re-

peat, but not keys, les call it Path.



(Euler graph theory implementation)



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"The set of points the poi passes through over time."



(Wikipoidia)



end.



light,



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bender
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Posted:when improvising the transitions + movements in any given routine (i'm not big on planning a routine, because the mix of audience and evironment is slightly different every time smile ) the biggest consideration for me at the time is generally the spunky audience. rawr.

thanks for the deep consideration into the structure of a routine, you must be a choreo black belt richee! smile


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squid
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Posted:How does one identify the difference between a family and a fundamental family?

I am horrible at interpreting the trails and paths on such a general level. Can you provide a simple example?


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aston
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Posted:I read it as these: "Drop & pick up, Still, Pendulum, Gilligan, Wrap,Recoil&kick, Throw or Catch"



Yes? No? Peanut?


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squid
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Posted:Im sorry, Im a bit dense. Do you mean that the fundamentals would include those items? Or were you referring to the 2nd portion?

And what is a Gilligan? After months here and on other poi sites, researching, this is the first mention I have see of it. Everything else looks like a solid way of transitioning, if I follow you correctly.


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aston
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Posted:Hmmm.... There was a thread around when I came across it. Is keeping one poi still and moving the other around it if I understand correctly.

Think of a stall extended over a long time.

More [url=http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/106407]here[url].

I read it that those are the fundamentals? Maybe Richee will be able to tell us...


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GeoffonTour04
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Posted:richee, please get someone to translate all this into english, I'm afraid half of it just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I've scoured several of your threads for a glimmer of understanding (I can usually decode sentences I just don't get the general point).

 Written by:

In transition from move familiy to fundamental family is the key the
move from fundamental family. Because to make a move from fun-
damental familiy is necessary initial move from move family.



This, for example, is pure gibberish. I'm sure there's a valid point in there somewhere but it's wrapped in pseudo poetry in what I can only assume is an attempt to sound somewhat benevolent.


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Richee
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Posted:MEEN: You need basic move, before manipulaton.



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Who's changing the topic?



code 64,



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Stout
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Posted:Richee...nobody's trying to change the topic.

GeoffonTour is just echoing a sentiment I'm sure many of us have about your posting style. We read your posts, and reread them, trying to figure out just what you're trying to say.

The cryptic and artsy style may be fun to write in, but for those of at the other end, trying to decipher your message, more often than not, it proves to be an exercise in frustration.

code 64 ????


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Richee
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Posted:OFF TOPIC



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All right, can't resist. I use "HOP english",

cause I've leart that way, paradox.



Code 64 isn't for you..



Underline open talk? What not!



Topic: (Vegamite ROCK!)



WT?,



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Posted:So when does Richee get his Camera?

Empty your mind. Be formless, Shapeless, like Water.
Put Water into a cup, it becomes the cup, put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, put water into a teapot, it becomes the teapot.
Water can flow, or it can Crash.
Be Water My Friend.

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Richee
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Posted:DELAY



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AAAAARGHH!



http://www.homeofpoi.com/dos.php



error message,



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Rouge Dragon
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Posted:Give him a break.

Given his location and style of writing, it seems to me like English is not Richee's native language.

Yes, I agree that it's hard to read, but I don't think it's very nice to call it "gibberish" as he's clearly trying and I'm sure if the tables were turned, most of us couldn't write that well in our non-native language.


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Posted: Written by: Richee


Topic: (Vegamite ROCK!)

WT?,




Yeah... it's 'cos Bender's been in here.... that's right dude! I'm on to you! biggrin


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Spanner
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Posted:(In the spirit of the season of goodwill...)



This thread describes a view on routine.



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A routine is a specific sequence of moves.

It can be cyclic, meaning that the sequence repeats or opens with beginning and the end.



A routine is divided by the moves we use and how they follow each other.



Set - This is each part which a routine can be divided into.

Let's call those which belong to one another, according to specific characteristics, a set.

Then, a set can be:



a) Family of moves (Weave)

b) Fundamental family (Pendulums)



Key - A link move between sets.

We always want to move from one set to another and it is necessary to find the proper key.



a)Family of moves

If we stay in one family, the key is only a right hand placement, a transition in the family (Weave -> Wind mill).



b)Opposite to same way spinning

This is an exception. In this case the key is one move from the fundamental family below:



Drop & pick up, Still, Pendulum, Gilligan, Wrap, Recoil & kick, Throw

or Catch




c)Move family to fundamental family



The transition from the move family to the fundamental family is the key to the move from the fundamental family.

This is because making a move from the fundamental family is a necessary initial move from the move family.




d)Fundamental families

Transition between fundamental families belongs to "Combined category" and every key is unique.



Sequence - Lets call the combination of sets "sequence".

Sequence is a curious part of a routine that connect single families. It can be a:



a)Combination of move families

b)Combination of Fundamental families

c)Combination of both families



So, the combination of sets and keys is a routine where every set can repeat, like:



Weave > Wind mill > Wrap > Butterfly > Mexican Weave



If only keys can repeat, lets call that routine Trail. If sets can repeat, but not keys, lets call it Path.



(Euler graph theory implementation)



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"The set of points the poi passes through over time."



(Wikipoidia)



end.



light,



:R



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(Excuse the lack of quoting - it won't let me space).



I'd be more inclined to believe that the requests for a translation were sincere enough if they hadn't been accompanied by rather rude remarks about his writing style frown

That took me all of... 5 minutes? to make it make sense to me, even though I'm one of the spinners least likely to be able to put it into practice biggrin



Anyway - hope that helps. Merry Christmas smile


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you are nice woman.

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AlienJon
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Posted:Thank you for so many posts sharing your thoughts Richee! Even if some people can't be bothered to decipher.

and

Thank you Spanner for taking time to represent Richee's post in a manner that might be clearer to some!

Happy Holidays,
-Alien Jon


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aston
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Posted:I also like reading them.

I just need to see how I can use this.

But again, thanks.


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jaero
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Posted:transitions... important stuff.

so is this along the lines of all the ways to switch from a chase to a thread the needle?

fundamentals confuse the piss out of me. mostly because my poi vocabulary hardly exists.


I'll get there too late if I shorten my stride, I'll get there too soon if I find me a ride, I'll never move forward if I try to hide this path that I've troden one step at a time.

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aston
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Posted:[QUOTE]If only keys can repeat, lets call that routine Trail. If sets can re-
peat, but not keys, les call it Path. [/QUOTE]

Can you give an example of keys being unable to repeat but sets being able to? Not sure I actually follow this part.


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"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "Or you wouldn't have come here."
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GeoffonTour04
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Posted:Apologies for ssounding harsh but I get very frustrated trying to understand rich, and would love to actually try & use some of this theory, but it takes so long to decipher and there aren't enough examples based on actual poi moves which makes it sound very abstract.

Perhaps if someone could make some more comparisons with move combinations based on these parameters more people would be able to understand and could join the discussion.


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aston
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Posted:A lot of it is abstract (not just this thread), simply because it is not new moves as such, rather different ways of looking at what you can do. Hell, a lot of the stuff requires a lot more control than I have, but I can keep it in mind.

Also, some of it is terminology, so it will maybe make things clearer in the future.

I like reading them. Make me think at least.


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"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
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simta
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Posted: Written by: GeoffonTour04


Apologies for ssounding harsh but I get very frustrated trying to understand rich, and would love to actually try & use some of this theory, but it takes so long to decipher and there aren't enough examples based on actual poi moves which makes it sound very abstract.

Perhaps if someone could make some more comparisons with move combinations based on these parameters more people would be able to understand and could join the discussion.



so wheres richee's cam???

bluecat cool


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