I had a dream that my friend had a
strong-bad pop up book,
it was the book of my dreams.
"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
(G.W. Dahlquist)
Owner of Dragosani's left half
Written by: Birgit
It's a bit... well... it seems like you either apologise in advance for maybe perhaps possibly insulting someone (which is naff, I agree, but the safe route), or you don't, in which case someone will usually step up and call you offensive and not politically correct.
Written by: Birgit
I agree it's all going to far - part of it is probably the sueing culture for discrimination. It's good that laws exist to protect those who are discriminated against, but when everyone who has a personal grudge or wants some money from their employer uses them to sue for nearly nothing, it's hard to draw a line, and it's understandable that most tend to prefer the safe route to causing unnecessary arguments.
I had a dream that my friend had a
strong-bad pop up book,
it was the book of my dreams.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
(G.W. Dahlquist)
Owner of Dragosani's left half
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Written by: onewheeldave
Even if some pc issues go too far, the fact remains that much of what is referred to as 'pc', has made our culture a vastly better place for many disadvantaged or disabled people.
Finally, wheelchair users are getting access to public buildings because of legislation; non-smokers can use a bus, or sit in a university lecture theatre, without having to breathe other peoples smoke; etc, etc.
All these things come under the category of what is generally called 'pc'.
I had a dream that my friend had a
strong-bad pop up book,
it was the book of my dreams.
The existance of flamethrowers says that someone, somewhere, at sometime said "I need to set that thing on fire, but it's too far away."
"beg beg grovel beg grovel"
"master"
--FSA
"There was an arse there, i couldn't help myself"
--Rougie
The existance of flamethrowers says that someone, somewhere, at sometime said "I need to set that thing on fire, but it's too far away."
Written by: MiG
Jeff(fake) - note the 'discussion' at the top there. This isn't the forum, nor the thread for stuff like that.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
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Tao Star stopping people saying racist things doesn't stop them from being racist...
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
"beg beg grovel beg grovel"
"master"
--FSA
"There was an arse there, i couldn't help myself"
--Rougie
Written by: MiG
One could, playing the devil's advocate, argue even that smoking bans on busses/in halls etc is bad - What about the smokers that wish to smoke in those areas, but now aren't allowed to? That's discriminatory against people who have a scientifically proven addiction.
Where's the line drawn between being pc and being discriminatory?
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
(G.W. Dahlquist)
Owner of Dragosani's left half
Written by: onewheeldave
I'd argue that the value of stopping people saying out-and-out racist stuff is that it has an effect on the rest of the population.
Children who grow up in a racist culture will be more prone to adopting those racist attitudes.
So, even if banning grossly innapropriate behaviour and speech doesn't directly stop the guilty individuals- there is still immense value in instigating those bans.
Written by: onewheeldave
I would also argue that, to an extent, it will affect some of the individuals themselves- for example, a person who has habitually used the word 'coon' in reference to his/her workmates, will, at least whilst at work, start to rein in that habit.
Written by: onewheeldav
I think it's also important to stop the knee-jerk hostility to pc attempts to resolve these issues partly because we can then address some real issues that are ignored to some extent due to being blanketed by 'pc'.
An example would be racism and prejudicewithin minority cultures, which is rife, but not often addressed due to fears of being seen to be interfering in those cultures (examples being, in the UK, racism between blacks of african descent and those of jamacan descent, or the plight of some women in muslim based cultures).
Which is pretty much in agreement with what you said about critisising religion isn't it?
I had a dream that my friend had a
strong-bad pop up book,
it was the book of my dreams.
"beg beg grovel beg grovel"
"master"
--FSA
"There was an arse there, i couldn't help myself"
--Rougie
Written by: onewheeldave
I'd argue that the value of stopping people saying out-and-out racist stuff is that it has an effect on the rest of the population.
Children who grow up in a racist culture will be more prone to adopting those racist attitudes.
So, even if banning grossly innapropriate behaviour and speech doesn't directly stop the guilty individuals- there is still immense value in instigating those bans.
"Moo," said the happy cow.
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
I had a dream that my friend had a
strong-bad pop up book,
it was the book of my dreams.
Written by: Birgit
owd, in response to your explanation about lots of people finding the use of "he" offensive - I doubt it. I've never met anyone who's complained about it, and I've met about a dozen people who found using "he or she" instead a pain. It's probably not a statistically significant observation, since none of my friends tend to care about the history of the strong "he", but empiry tells me it can't be that bad.
Even if it does offend some people, I doubt that it's important enough to be of significance to evaluate the language abilities of people from different cultures in the toefl test.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
Written by: spiralxWritten by: onewheeldave
I'd argue that the value of stopping people saying out-and-out racist stuff is that it has an effect on the rest of the population.
Children who grow up in a racist culture will be more prone to adopting those racist attitudes.
So, even if banning grossly innapropriate behaviour and speech doesn't directly stop the guilty individuals- there is still immense value in instigating those bans.
I totally disagree
If you ban this kind of speech then it doesn't suddenly stop people believing in it, it just forces them underground and makes them into marytrs.
On the other hand if they're allowed to say that kind of crap in public then it exposes them for the ignorant morons that they are, so people can see for themselves how nasty it is.
Just banning it isn't going to change anyone's beliefs, it takes a genuine long-term change in societal attitudes and not some kind of "hide the symptoms" quick fix.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
Written by: Tao Star
It gets to the point where threads like [Old link] have to have someone posting to defend Hitler!!!
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
Written by: onewheeldave
Traditionally males have been seen as more important; many feel that the disproportionate use of 'he' is a factor which supports that misconception. Put that way it makes perfect sense that someone should use 'he or she' rather than 'he'.
Empty your mind. Be formless, Shapeless, like Water.
Put Water into a cup, it becomes the cup, put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, put water into a teapot, it becomes the teapot.
Water can flow, or it can Crash.
Be Water My Friend.
Written by: Lecture_Theatre_C
Another thing I find, Is that, as a white male, I need to be extremely careful about what I say around black/coloured/ethnic/whatever the correct term is nowadays people, because that most natural of phrases can be seen as rascist. I will not be called a rascist. If I have a problem with someone, it's not because of the colour of their skin, but because I think they are a Twat.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Written by: Sethis
But don't people find "Black" offensive? Shouldn't we use "Coloured"?
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
Written by: Sethis
But don't people find "Black" offensive? Shouldn't we use "Coloured"?
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
"beg beg grovel beg grovel"
"master"
--FSA
"There was an arse there, i couldn't help myself"
--Rougie
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