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VampyricAcid
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Posted:Kinda scared about starting this thread cos i have a bad history of starting thread that already exist BUT i have done an extensive search and im pretty sure that this thread is completely new!!

i was just out in the garden having a bit of a spin, and i thought "hmmm i wonder what other people are trying to learn at the moment" and decided it would be agreat insight into the future of poi and where people were heading, and serve as inspiration to people who are a bit stuck. There is the obvious "oooh ive just learnt this" thread stuck at the top, but i thought it'd be good to hear what problems people are having with the moves while they are learning them, and how the over come them so other people can look and discover ways they might not have thought of.

so start your replies with "This Week I Am Mostly Learning....."

This Week I Am Mostly Learning.....3bt btb weaves, reverse5bt weave, and trying to work out 6bt TTN aswell as forward7bt weave. Problems?? loads, but these moves ( wink):
3btbtb weave, i keep hitting myself in the head, but im slowly getting the timing down,
Reverse 5bt, my wrists dont seem to like it, still working on timing, again keep hitting myself in the head ubbrollsmile
6btTTN again, the wrists are complaining, and the timing keeps going off
Forward7bt, i got a few beats the otehr night but i lost it now frown confused


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thirteen
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Posted:all those meets on thursdays... when I leave at 6 AM on thursday the 21st. 7 acres of land sounds fun though!

mirrors are so helpful. or even a video camera... I just saw a video of myself spinning and it was painful, but educational lol.

handsprings would be really cool, and definitely push things onto a whole new level of awesome smile

I've been spinning since January of this year, how about you?


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adeathlyaura
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Posted:Yeah, I don't get it. Thursday seems to be a popular day for it. It's also the day CU @ Circus meets. It's at 5 in front of the UT tower. There's no fire (or at least I don't think so), but there's a whole lot of random circus skills being practiced every week.

I agree. Acrobatics and poi look so awesome, but I very rarely see it. Actually, I've never seen it except for on youtube. Most of the spinners here are very tech oriented.

Oooh, congrats on nearly a year! I've been spinning since March. I wish I had started earlier, but I just didn't see what was so great about poi the first few times I saw it. It wasn't until I saw it done well that I got interested.


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thirteen
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Posted:yeah the spinners here are like that too. I like it... but I would like to see more movement as well. although it can be so tempting to work on tech when dance seems unrewarding... I'm in that space right now. I want to learn new tech but I just saw a video of myself spinning and I was like "oh no, we've got movement issues to work on. so many issues."

I feel like so much of the focus in spinning is linking move to move though... that gets boring for me smirk


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Firefly777
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Posted:Working on Butterfly variations smile

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droid
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Posted:Over the past couple weeks I've started playing with crossers, wall plane CAPs, chase stalls, and 1.5s. My goal is to use crossers as an introduction to the BTB dimension and follow with waist-wraps, weaves etc. It's an area of my spinning that I haven't worked on much up until this point.

CAPs are super fun to play with and I'm also gradually exploring the various ways to turn with the wheel plane CAP No.2. Drex's Tech Blog is proving to be an invaluable resource!


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Posted:Heh. I have most of them up to about 180 saved on disk somewhere.

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thirteen
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Posted:got my triquetra extension wall-plane hybrid looking good in the one direction. very excited about that. now to get the other direction...

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Posted:Nice work thirteen! I need to work on my triquetras. I'm not quite as comfortable in one direction as the other and I need to improve my switching.

I've been working on flow quite a bit this week. Taking a lot of inspiration from Rastaxel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUmidbeumy0). I'm struggling for consistency with my BTB 3 beat but I'm making progress slowly. Also have crossers down and will have crosser extensions nailed by tomorrow. Waist-wraps are next smile Oh and my LED Ninja poi should be arriving in a couple weeks! I am beyond excited! grin


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Sister Eleven
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Posted:I don't know what to work on now! I could stand to learn more inversiony stuff, but what kind? There remain hybrids I could be better with... but they're not thrilling me. I HAVE TECH POI ENNUI!

Maybe playing with my clubs when they get here will freshen things up...


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thirteen
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Posted:Originally Posted By: droidNice work thirteen! I need to work on my triquetras. I'm not quite as comfortable in one direction as the other and I need to improve my switching.

I've been working on flow quite a bit this week. Taking a lot of inspiration from Rastaxel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUmidbeumy0). I'm struggling for consistency with my BTB 3 beat but I'm making progress slowly. Also have crossers down and will have crosser extensions nailed by tomorrow. Waist-wraps are next smile Oh and my LED Ninja poi should be arriving in a couple weeks! I am beyond excited! grin

thanks! good luck with your triquetra smile it's one of my favorite patterns and learning it really improves your mode switching, antispin, and extensions.


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Posted:Welp I've got triquetra mode switches down now which feels great. I usually have a couple main patterns/ideas that I'm learning at any given time and then several secondary areas of practice. Right now one of my secondary areas is the reverse triquetra. Crosser extensions and variations have been bumped down to secondary.

Right now my primary focus is body tracing drills. Leo has an awesome drill breakdown (http://youtu.be/GMy-0_9m-5A) and I also found Alien Jon's body tracing class notes helpful (http://youtu.be/Z7FGPcKjVZ0). Even after one afternoon of practice I can feel significant improvements in my play. For example, waist wraps feel so much smoother. If you guys/girls know of any other body tracing-related tutorial vids please share smile


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Posted:just started exploring s-s-s-snaking... LOVE it.

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adeathlyaura
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Posted:I've just started exploring snaking too, thirteen. It's a must for body tracing and looks amazing. Also working on more flower turns, foot work, and plane bending.

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adeathlyaura
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Posted:Toroid flowers!!!!! These things are awesome. A poi spinner at Freezerburn kind of blew my mind with these, so I decided to get started on learning them. Almost have it down with one poi, so now I need to work on making flowers out of them with two.

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droid
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Posted:Good work guys! Sounds super exciting grin Unfortunately I've tweaked my shoulder so I haven't been able to spin these last two days frown Super frustrating but I'm using the down time to find more resources online.

Please let me know if you have links to any body tracing tutorials. The best I've found so far are from Leo and Alien Jon (linked above), as well as Mel's workshop videos part 1 and 2 which are in Russian but still super helpful (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGu4j9i9F_8) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsSWSHMPDUc). He has a mind meltdown tracing transition at the end of the second part which loves super smooth and slick. Have fun!


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adeathlyaura
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Posted:Leo's video on component reels for body tracing is immensely helpful. Alien Jon's is too, but I'm working on getting the reels down before I really get started with body tracing. Drex has some pretty helpful videos on it too.

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Posted:spent nearly my whole practice session today working on poise and footwork, mostly just polishing up my basic circular stepping turns and eliminating unnecessary steps/wobbling/loss of balance/over-compensation. it was a nice change of pace and it's something I really need to work on more.

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Posted:That sounds like time well-spent thirteen smile I'd definitely like to incorporate some basic martial arts patterns into my spinning in the next few months. I know that Nicky Evers has focused a lot on tai chi movements in his flow.

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Posted:Yesterday, my entire practice session was spent working on foot work, under the legs, and orbitals. I'm working on too many things at once. >.<

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Posted:I'm working on orbitals too! I'm currently having a lot of trouble getting out of them but I think I'll figure it out once I develop a feel for the motion.

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Posted:footwork practice was time well-spent indeed, droid. did more today and I think I'll be working on this on and off for a while.

I've working on orbitals lately too, good luck with those smile so difficult, but so rewarding when you do it. I can't pull them off well or consistently but I'm slowly learning how to feel that middle point and they are improving... emphasis on slowly wink


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adeathlyaura
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Posted:I've almost learned that "dodging daggers" under the legs move. This has frustrated me for quite a while. >.<

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Posted:my hat's off to you. UTL is something I've barely started working on!

I have so much on my plate right now but I'm still obsessed with footwork. I just figured out pirouettes last night, literally right before bed, so I'll have a lot to play with tonight.


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Posted:Under the legs is hard, to say the least. Drilling with one poi makes it a lot easier though.

I think that's excellent, thirteen. grin More poi spinners need to work on movement. Pirouettes are nice. I can only do them with hip reels though. What have you been doing pirouettes with?


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Posted:I just started pirouettes so I learned hip reels last night. need to iron them out, but I've got the idea. gonna learn shoulder reel pirouettes next. and I think I'm gonna work on same-time opposite pirouettes since they have some similar properties to split-time same-direction.

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Posted:Try long arm pirouettes without poi!




This is a video I made a while back to demonstrate this one.

The BEST part about learning pirouettes like this, though is that when you are getting your boogie on to your favourite musics you can bust out a nifty little pirouette so you can do poi in your head without aaaaanybody knowing about it. wink


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Posted:hey thanks for the link. I actually do those as a stretching warm-up for poi, and sometimes when I'm at work or somewhere else and can't spin... way ahead of ya!

still solidifying my rightward hip pirouette but it's looking good, so I'm beginning to work on leftward pirouettes. the dream is to learn those, then learn shoulder pirouettes in both directions, then extend those to 1.5 rotation pirouettes so I can chain them together (it sounds confusing but it makes sense - search "yuta pirouette" on youtube). I also want to learn to chain leftward and rightward hip pirouettes together, which shouldn't be too hard since they start and end in the same mode poi-wise; the only thing that changes is the footwork.

that's the dream, anyway... I am easily distracted, so we'll see how far I take this wink


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Posted:oh, also: has anyone else ever noticed that if you give up on something, keep practicing other stuff, and come back, you'll have an easier time with whatever it was you were working on?

example: I was working on BTB weaves. couldn't do them for the life of me. I gave up months ago and decided to practice other stuff. I just tried them again last night and I can do them now smile they're not perfect, but they're MUCH better.

I have to say, that is so motivating - to know that as long as you practice, even if you don't FEEL like you're getting better, you definitely are smile


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Posted:Right on thirteen! I know exactly what you're talking about haha the same thing happened to me with BTB weaves. I was getting crazy frustrated and left them for a while and now they're easy. That's what I really love about poi - the growth in your ability occurs in a non-linear fashion. smile Practice, practice, practice!

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Posted:That's actually kind of a universal feature of everything I learn. Forget about it for a week, come back to it, suddenly it's cake.

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