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inpsydout
member
Location: kent/brum, uk
Member Since: 6th Oct 2004
Total posts: 57
Posted:hi. I work for a company called Kent Circus School who for the past 15 years have been going around Kent doing circus skills workshops. We are currently developing a key stage 2 curriculum for circus skills (juggling, diablo, devil stick) and this will be piolted on our youth circus. It is based on levels, do a certain number of tricks and get a certificate for level 1 smile etc. It is not a grading system, just something to aim for, also the levels cannot just be learnt in five minutes, they take dedication and practice. We don't teach poi as standard at the moment but may do someday and it has come to me to write the poi moves. I am not entering into a debate as to whether or not poi should be learnt through a structured system or "free learning" (which is what im sure alot of us have done), save that for another thread.
It is obvious that before learning a 5beat weave you need to learn a 3beat weave first, therefore some moves should probably be learnt before others: this is where the debate starts!
(although I'm not stopping anyone learnigna 5beat before a 3beat-prove me wrong! wink)
I thought if I post what I have come up with then other peoples feedback can help modify the moves and structure. I dont want this to be my own but a more of a collective effort from the HOP community. here goes (deep breath)

PT= parrallel time
FT=follow time

Level 1

Both hands forwards (FT and PT)
Both hands backwards (FT and PT)
Carries from forwards to backwards
Carries from backwards to forwards
Forwards weave
Backwards weave
Windmill
Butterfly (Forwards and Backwards)
BTH buttefly (at the same time)
BTH butterfly (hands alternating)

Level 2

Turning from forwards weave to backwards weave
Waist wraps (forwards and backwards)
Hip reels (PT and FT)
Shoulder reels (PT and FT)
Basic lock-outs (flowers)
TTN (forwards and backwards)
Opposite shoulder reels
Opposite hip reels
Basic stalls from the butterfly
The Corkscrew
Giant weave
Giant windmill
Buzzsaw (forwards and backwards)
The Fountain

Level 3

Forwards 5beat weave (wrists facing up and curled round)
Backwards 5beat weave (wrists facing up and curled round)
4 beat TTN (forwards and backwards)
BTB weave (forwards and backwards)
Basic arm wraps
Standard airwrap in the wall plane (from clockwise and anticlockwise)
Simultaneous wrist wraps
Simultaneous bicep wraps
Thigh wraps
Calf wraps
Stalling one up, one down
Basic atoms
The weave with one arm straight
Thru-wraps in the weave, off the arms (forwards and backwards)
4 beat windmills
Under the leg

Level 4 (this is where the silliness begins!)

Isolations
-isolated buzzsaw
-isolated forwards weave
-isolated backwards weave
-isolated backwards TTN
Stalling the weave
4-beat hyperloop (any direction)
Buzzsaw weave
Airwraps to wrist stalls
Thows and catches
One tie-up in backwards TTN
BTB waist wraps
BTB TTN (both ways!)
Butterfly weave
Pirouettes with arms at opposites
Pirouettes with arms at opposites with flowers
Under alternating legs for four consecutive beats (from TTN) Anti spin flowers (one hand only)
Stalling one up, one down BTB
Grabbing one poi in TTN
Atomic weave, forwards and backwards

Level 5 (this is a little ridiculous) - i can't do a lot of it

4-beat hyperloops from forwards weave, both ways
4-beat hyperloops from backwards weave, both ways
Inverted airwraps
Extra beats in airwraps/hyperloops
2-beat hyperloops from forwards 5beat weave (all four ways)
Under the leg airwraps
Butterfly hyperloops (butterfloops I believe??)
Isolated waist wraps
Isolated shoulder reels
Isolated alternating carries
Antispin forwards weave
Antispin backwards weave
Antispin flowers, both hands forwards in FT
Antispin flowers, both hands backwards in FT
Simultaneous wrist wraps in the buzzsaw
Simultaneous wrist wraps BTB
Simultaneous wrist wraps BTH
Continuous barrell roles forwards and backwards
Whip catches
7-beat weave forwards and backwards
6-beat backwards TTN (hands must be in FT for this to work)

Level 6??? ubbloco

I am aware that this list ignores both style and largely transitions and levels 5 is probably focused more on my own personal goals. I know very little about atoms or throws and catches for that matterwhich is why they hardly feature.
have i missed anything fundamental?
what moves need to switch levels?

feedback on how to make this better would be greatly appreciated. matt smile


i cdnoult blveiee taht i cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht i was rdanieg!

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Tir_na_nOg
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Location: Geographic Location
Member Since: 20th May 2005
Total posts: 55
Posted:I once watched a guy spin for like 5 mins, at a distance, admiring the few atomic moves he seemed to be messin about with... Only to go up and find out he had never spun poi before!!!!

Dont read too much into things!!!


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infinite
infinite

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Location: ashland OR
Member Since: 9th Nov 2004
Total posts: 110
Posted:How about throws that chage catch hands? Butterfly hyperloops fwd backwards and upside down. Buzzsaw hyperloops where you turn 180% before untangle. you r list is impressive

dont make peoples heads turn, give them whiplash.

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Dut
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Location: Nashville, TN
Member Since: 22nd Mar 2002
Total posts: 380
Posted:Written by: inpsydout

Level 1

Both hands forwards (FT and PT)
Both hands backwards (FT and PT)
Carries from forwards to backwards
Carries from backwards to forwards
Forwards weave
Backwards weave
Butterfly (Forwards and Backwards)
BTH buttefly (at the same time)
BTH butterfly (hands alternating)

Level 2

Turning from forwards weave to backwards weave
TTN (forwards and backwards)
Basic stalls from the butterfly
The Corkscrew
Buzzsaw (forwards and backwards)
The Fountain

Level 3

Forwards 5beat weave (wrists facing up and curled round)
Backwards 5beat weave (wrists facing up and curled round)
4 beat TTN (forwards and backwards)
BTB weave (forwards and backwards)
Basic arm wraps
Thru-wraps in the weave, off the arms (forwards and backwards)
4 beat windmills

Level 4 (this is where the silliness begins!)

4-beat hyperloop (any direction)
Buzzsaw weave
Airwraps to wrist stalls
Butterfly weave
Anti spin flowers (one hand only)
Atomic weave, forwards and backwards

Level 5 (this is a little ridiculous) - i can't do a lot of it

4-beat hyperloops from forwards weave, both ways
4-beat hyperloops from backwards weave, both ways
Inverted airwraps
Extra beats in airwraps/hyperloops
2-beat hyperloops from forwards 5beat weave (all four ways)
Under the leg airwraps
Butterfly hyperloops (butterfloops I believe??)
Isolated waist wraps
Isolated shoulder reels
Isolated alternating carries
Antispin forwards weave
Antispin backwards weave
Antispin flowers, both hands forwards in FT
Antispin flowers, both hands backwards in FT
Simultaneous wrist wraps in the buzzsaw
Simultaneous wrist wraps BTB
Simultaneous wrist wraps BTH
7-beat weave forwards and backwards
6-beat backwards TTN (hands must be in FT for this to work)

Level 6??? ubbloco

have i missed anything fundamental?
what moves need to switch levels?

feedback on how to make this better would be greatly appreciated. matt smile



your butterfly progression is way stunted w/ bfly weave in L4. that might honestly be some of the weave stuff that i was learning at the same time that i learned your bfly progression, but if you can get the bfly side to keep up with the weave side through the whole series, it'll make a lot more sense to someone starting out.

for example, as soon as you can learn to turn forward to reverse weave, you should learn to turn the butterfly. That puts Butterfly weave under Level 2, not Level 4. When you're learning the 4 beat TTN (?) and 5 beat/thru-wrap weave in Level 3, you should learn the 4 beat bfly weave and bfly thru-wrapping (thru-wrapping + 5 beating => tangling, essentially). I'd also like to see the "buttersaw" or "inverted butterfly" or "buzzsaw butterfly" in Level 4, so that by Level 5, you can drop the seperate butterfloop listing and just say everything has to be done chase and butterfly (including inverted airwraps). smile "7-beat weave" would be equivalent to 6 beat bfly weave and 6 beat corkscrews if you want to list them seperately. simultaneous bfly wrist/bicep wraps inverted, btb and bth are fun man, promise. the rest i'd need to work out, but i think it can be done.

Level 6 can be named, but it gets strained talking about all the various inside/outside airwraps to stalls and inversions. especially finding short enough repetitive sequences to be considered a "move". I have a couple, but I need video. as always. haha.

some of your stuff enters the progression at odd times (atomics), and some stuff is left off, but i like the weave and butterfly breakdowns (well, with my changes above). one handed stuff is left out and not mentioned specifically. one handed can be done OTH or BTB same time and split time weave and butterfly. umm. extra beats in waist wraps are fun and can have multiple adds. lol. this is inspiring me. i think i might make a spreadsheet or something for the first time. If I can pinpoint that I only have L2 "lockouts" for example when i should be at L4 at least, that'll give me something to work on to improve my foundation. thanks for letting us look at it man. peace.

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CrazyPoiLady
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Member Since: 21st Jun 2005
Total posts: 7
Posted:Hey, i skipped through the last few threads there so someone may already have said this but here goes:
i think theres different base tricks that are built on and its possible to learn them independantly of eack other, eg. butterfly to all the butterfly tricks weave to all the weave tricks, reels to all the reel tricks etc. so it might help if your level one was those base tricks, level two their extensions, eg one handed butterfly, 5 beat weave, split weaves etc, I'd go through all your base tricks first in levels 1-3 maybe and then start doing specialised add on levels eg isolations, hyperloops, flowers (although could be part of level 3), atoms etc. I think that the last few should be separated into specialised areas because I know from spinning myself that after you get to a certain stage there's a tendancy to specialise, like I spend lots of time on my isolations and not so much on my hyperloops but i know others who its the opposite for. Maybe you could have one final superlevel where you'd have to have specialised in everrything. It'd be awesome to watch that final test!
I teach poi a fair bit in the juggling club where i go and am used to teaching from beginners up and have gotten used to in general which tricks people find easiest to learn or harder etc. If you want any help with this I'd be totally up for working through trick progression with you, just let me know.
Clare xx


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Loewan
Loewan

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Location: Liverpool
Member Since: 11th Aug 2005
Total posts: 464
Posted:Wow! Quite a cool extensive list there! I was kind of stuck for moves before I saw this.

Why let your body be a temple? When it can be a theme park?

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