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historian_of_fire_arts
historian_of_fire_arts

newbie

Member Since: 4th Oct 2005
Total posts: 20
Posted:Greetings kindred spirits. I am reaching out to the Home of Poi community for help. I am writting a book on "The History of the Fire Arts" which will be an all inclusive understanding and appreciation of those who create, perform, build, and teach everything and anything that pertains to the fire arts. I am presently on the chapter that deals with the fire staff. I am familiar with the Polinesian culture that started 'fire knife' dancing in the mid thirties from Samoa that eventually made it's way to Fiji, Tahiti, New Zealand and, finally, Hawaii. I am also aware of fire staff spinning in India that began in the '60's. I have also heard stories of some forms of fire staff spinning in South America and even in Africa, but not yet confirmed. The informaton that I am seeking now is; who are the people responsible for inspiring the multitudes of 'white' people world wide to take up the fire staff. It appears to have begun in Australia in the late 80's or early 90's. If this is true, would someone be so kind as to direct me to anyone who might know who these people are. Their names, addresses, e-mail , websites; I'll take anything. If anyone should also know of any persons who were fire staff performing even earlier than the late 80's that was not bound to, or apart of, any ethnic identity, PLEASE let me know. To make this real simple, folks, I am looking for the first white people who wanted to adopt, take on, another cultures ethnic fire ritual and identity and ask them; why?
Someone knows and I really could use the info. Blessings to you all, and I hope to hear from you soon. Peace, Historian


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fluffy napalm fairy
fluffy napalm fairy

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Brum / Dorset / Fairy Land
Member Since: 12th Dec 2001
Total posts: 3638
Posted:ditto

I was enjoying the lineages/histories before that weird-ass "RH managed to think for himself, learn some stuff and do some shows - and wants worshiping because of it" post.

Any more WORTHWHILE bio's guys? ubbrollsmile

Fairy De Fluff xxx


Geologists do it in the dirt................ spank

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flash fire
flash fire

Sporadically Prodigal
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Member Since: 25th Jan 2001
Total posts: 2758
Posted:Right. Enough with the Robert Heart crapola please people. Haven't we done this enough already? *grows tired of repetition*

Everything is subjective and open to interpretation. Some people enjoy their bubbles, and it's not our place to go around popping them. Live and let live, especially when to do anything else is entirely counter-productive... fruitless even.


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Frodo
Frodo

old hand
Location: In a van
Member Since: 30th Jun 2003
Total posts: 1092
Posted:that was an intresting read, and now, i sit back, and wait for the story to unfold around me....

Strugz, Bam, Knox, Fluff, ben you most of all, plus others have inspired me no end! thankyou x


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mcp
mcp

Flying Water Muppet
Location: Edin-borrow.
Member Since: 20th May 2003
Total posts: 5276
Posted:<pokes flash fire for her lineage>

Plus y'know, it's really all about my lineage... biggrin wink


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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animatEd
animatEd

1 + 1 = 3
Location: Bristol UK
Member Since: 31st Aug 2004
Total posts: 3540
Posted:*joins Meg in the poking*

Empty your mind. Be formless, Shapeless, like Water.
Put Water into a cup, it becomes the cup, put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, put water into a teapot, it becomes the teapot.
Water can flow, or it can Crash.
Be Water My Friend.

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Zauberdach
Zauberdach

Sometimes sword wofter
Location: Edinburgh
Member Since: 10th Mar 2005
Total posts: 199
Posted:enough poking and more lineage! smile

IMPORTANT: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of a sane person.

"just get the f**k on with it and make me the anti-christ already!"

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flash fire
flash fire

Sporadically Prodigal
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Member Since: 25th Jan 2001
Total posts: 2758
Posted:Ummmm.... I don't really have a lineage.

I am 100% self taught. Sorry to be so boring.

I first saw single staff from a distance at a free concert thing in Sydney in 1996. I bought myself a broom handle and figured out the basic movements. Then, one day a few months later, I stumbled across a guy selling fire staffs at a tiny stall in my local markets. I asked him about fuel - he told me to use Kero. So, I bought a staff & some kero, went up to the flat rooftop of my apartment block and, with very nervous friends ready to douse any rogue flames, lit them up. smile ROOOHAAAH!

I progressed slowly and never had any other twirlers to bounce off until 2000. That's 4 years of isolation! In those 4 years, I made some double staves and also figured out poi for myself, after finding the first incarnation of this website (1998 or 1999). I used to perform every Sunday night in Whistler, Canada at the Fire & Ice show - they gave me a seasons pass worth over $1500CAD for it! I also utilised some stylised staff spinning in my role as Nurse in a production of Romeo & Juliet whilst living there as well.

I returned to Australia in 2000, via 6 weeks in Fiji. I did my first doubles performance there one night in exchange for a bar tab. I was dismayed when I handed my doubles to a local who was way more impressive than I. smile

In very late 2000, back in Sydney, I hooked up with a few HoPpers - Berzerker, Frenzie & Finn. All of us were in the same position - didn't know any other twirlers. So, we formed a troupe called The Wick Effect and started performing at psytrance parties. We had a wickedly fun few years together....

In the midst of all this, I had started forming online friendships with other HoPpers - Pyrolific & Dangerboy in particular. I actually encouraged young Pyrolific to have a go at doubles and supervised his first attempt... now look at him! smile

Dangerboy (hailing from Canada) wanted to come visit Australia. I had never met him prior to meeting him at the airport. He stayed with me until he found a place to live, and we shared a beautiful friendship for the years he was in our fair land. He and I did a number of performances together as a side project to The Wick Effect, namely in gay clubs & fetish parties. We were a hit - neither of us afraid of sass & sleaze. ubblol

Dangerboy went back to Canada, the Wick Effect burnt itself out and I rarely pick up my sticks these days.

smile


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mcp
mcp

Flying Water Muppet
Location: Edin-borrow.
Member Since: 20th May 2003
Total posts: 5276
Posted:Written by: flash fire

Dangerboy went back to Canada, the Wick Effect burnt itself out and I rarely pick up my sticks these days.

smile



and then you smile! SHOCKING! look: eek see? How can you say that!?!?! and then smile!

I'm very dissappointed in you young miss. </schoolteacher>


"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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flash fire
flash fire

Sporadically Prodigal
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Member Since: 25th Jan 2001
Total posts: 2758
Posted:frown Sorry meg. I just lack inspiration these days.... I'm really bad at learning new stuff (read: exceptionally bad) and I got frustrated and impatient with myself... Dirty Secret: I'm a big loser in that if I'm not elite, I'd rather not do it at all. Sad but true.

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[Nx?]
[Nx?]

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Europe,Scotland,Both
Member Since: 5th Nov 2001
Total posts: 3749
Posted:sad AND true flash ubbcrying

wot sort of messege is that sending out to the newbs huh?

<-- has not picked up a staff in ages either, but thats cos he got a girl to pass with...

T wave


This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate
-><- Kallisti

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flash fire
flash fire

Sporadically Prodigal
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Member Since: 25th Jan 2001
Total posts: 2758
Posted:I didn't have to admit it, you know.

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mcp
mcp

Flying Water Muppet
Location: Edin-borrow.
Member Since: 20th May 2003
Total posts: 5276
Posted:I am also exceptionally bad at learning. I don't let that stop me though. I think I've got to a watershed moment where I can learn quicker now, after all those years of being stubborn. I learned the three beat fishtail today. Cos I turned up early for gymnastics.

"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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T&B
T&B

Me
Location: London/Bristol
Member Since: 30th Aug 2003
Total posts: 607
Posted:fair dos though 9 odd years of spinning not bad

but I still want a happy ending ubbcrying


Maybe I should change this too something abit nicer, humm no I still think your all Ccensoredt

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flash fire
flash fire

Sporadically Prodigal
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Member Since: 25th Jan 2001
Total posts: 2758
Posted:Written by: T&B

fair dos though 9 odd years of spinning not bad

but I still want a happy ending ubbcrying



It ain't over. I'm just on hiatus. ubbrollsmile I do this every few years.

Maybe if I get poked and prodded and harassed enough, I might be compelled to enter a video for the next COL or something.


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bender
still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Member Since: 14th Nov 2001
Total posts: 6979
Posted:It's easy for me to want to keep learning as i am really quite attracted to twirlers.
It is unclear whether it is passion or obsession.
It is clear however that i likes it!
</continues to pretend we're still discussing the history of fire arts..>


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arashi
arashi

Pooh-Bah
Location: austin,tx
Member Since: 21st Mar 2002
Total posts: 2363
Posted:Written by: flash fire

Maybe if I get poked and prodded and harassed enough, I might be compelled to enter a video for the next COL or something.



(adresses the assembled crowd)
I humbly volunteer to do the poking and prodding. as a service to mankind of course.

dons a gimp outfit


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-Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
-When the center of the storm does not move, you are in its path.

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coleman
coleman

big and good and broken
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay
Member Since: 29th Aug 2002
Total posts: 7330
Posted:i already posted my 'lineage' on a 'who inspired you' type thread but it seems the thread/post has been lost frown



FOUND IT!!! biggrin click here biggrin



i have a brief how i got into spinning n juggling in my intro but since the other post has disappeared i thought i'd repeat my personal history of the fire arts in a teacher/inspiration namelist form:



sanchia

jonny o

faerie cath

josie lashes

dimitri (deviant)

danny t

cam

nick mee

drew glass

rob cat

arashi (chatting tech stuff on hop)

tony touch

spiralx

simian (who almost singlehandedly got me into spinning again)



smile





cole. x

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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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Lavatwilight
Lavatwilight

old hand
Location: Wellington somerset, UK
Member Since: 11th Aug 2004
Total posts: 834
Posted:Ok so now then time for me to share my inspiration, and liniage.

June 2004 got me self a lil stick for my birthday, praciced like a mad man on my own for a few weeks,
but i went to college with oli so home of poi was soon found.
some one somewhere told me about a "fishtail" and what it was and from there i was hooked, ages of trying to get it later, i finally did, in the gap somewhere i found Megs contact site, and was in compleate and utter awe for ages,(still am!!) started learning.
3months later got me self a second stick, and played loads, watching vids off hop, seriously in to contact as it was difficult, but fun to play with, incorperating some tai chi etc.
Saw a video by ben-ja-men meditate and then a vid with fluff playing with little sticks that made me forget contact for a while.

then more playing around on my own, untill met Nate and Dave, and learnt lots of stuff which was really cool.

met fluff and Psi and people, who kicked in more inspiration over the summer after getting a spinning meet arranged between us all (star orginised all this cuz shes cool!!)

then came play with actually meeting meg, strugz and rob cat, that and seeing glass but not actually talking to him as i was lazy.

so thats about it

so list is

Ben
Meg
Strugz
Rob
Nate
Psi
Fluff
T&B is in there somehwere

oh and im sure theres more but thats what springs to mind

now....im all alone again, but not far from anyone so being lazy...make me do stuff people!!!

(strugz tell me a time to get down your way!!)


Drawings by chalk minds, strech between the stars

Kyle Mclean-
Contact without dance is like sex without wiggling.
A) it does feel as good
B) it does not look as good on film

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oli
not with cactus
Location: bristol/ southern eastern devo...
Member Since: 24th Jul 2003
Total posts: 2052
Posted:okay, this is pretty interesting reading, here is my lineage, as i remember it.



first saw poi in august 02 in a campsite in cornwall, some guys on moterbikes came and played fire next to our tents, and taught me the butterfly. then i went home and didnt touch poi again for a long time.



the next time i became intersted in poi was, about june of 2003, when i was doing exams, i found this site on the internet called homeofpoi, and brought some fluffy pink tennis ball poi from a different site, i started to learn all the moves on this site from the free lessons.



went back to cornwall in august, met jules and scott, jules showed me isolations.. she called them illusions and scott showed me stalls...



i got addicted to poi after this and was very influenced by videos such as howto, the spherculism videos and spinning in paris.



at christmass i met flid and he showed me tangled buzzsaws.



i think i read one of nxs posts on here and learn a dodgy antispin weave at some point around here.



then i met/saw loads of spinners at glastonbury 2004 (and over the course of the summer, at the first falmouths and other festivals etc..), including matt, gathy, psi, laura, dunc and ucof... and loads more and inspired to work on tangles pretty obsessivly for some reason, i remember having a very enlightening spin with matt at one point, during the glastonbury weekend.



ros comes home, and amazes me sometime after that, i think i started trying to learn flowers...



i learnt to do infinte hyperloops all by myself while down in cornwall..



i start being able to understand rev some time around the start of 2005, and i met luke while traveling, and finally start to understand inversions.



ive proabably missed out some major events/influences and im still learning so this storey is not over



all the spinners ive met or been in communictaion via this board with have influenced me in some way so thanks to all of you smile

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Drudwyn
Drudwyn

Forget puppy power, Scrappy's just gay
Location: Southampton Uni
Member Since: 27th Aug 2005
Total posts: 632
Posted:I feel humbled by some of the spinning lineages on here... >,<

It was July 2004, when walking through Copenhagen city centre with my friend Donna, that I saw my first poi spinner. There was a dreaded hippy dude spinning at the market there, selling practise poi and some fire heads. As soon as I saw him, I was hooked. I bought a set off him and started spinning straight away. I learnt the buttrefly and the corkscrew within the first day.

I went home in early August, and span with a friend of mine who'd been doing fire poi for a year or two before I found out about them. Learnt nothing.

October 2004, came to uni here in southampton and joined the circus soc. I met Sina and Mack and was blown away by their spinning, They showed me HoP and taught me all the basics.

For most of the year I was spinning and learning new tricks from all over the place.

August 2005, I went to France for 2 months. I went from spinning basic tricks to doing wraps, tangles, hyperloops, isolations, flowers, butterfly weaves, waist wraps and pretty much all of my spinning as it stands today. I had nothing else to do! Oh yeah, and I joined HoP!

October 2005, I came back to uni to circus soc, met up with Mac and Sina again, met Frodo and Strugz, and messed around with lots more wraps, btb stuff, antispin and buzzsaw fountains.

November 2005, Well, here I am! I cracked antispin buzzsaw fountain (badly) antispin flowers and stuff like that.

I've only just begun the journey... And I look forward to meeting with more of you!


Spin, bounce, be one with the world, because it is yours to enjoy...

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Ade
Are we there yet?
Location: australia
Member Since: 14th Mar 2001
Total posts: 1897
Posted:Written by: historian_of_fire_arts


-RH arrived in Australia for the Bicentennial Celebration on Oct.5, 1987, and toured,(busked) the country for six months.(Sydney, Brisbane, Byron Bay, Surfers Paradise, Townsville, Canberra, Melborne, Adelaide, Perth, and Freemantle; with many little towns in between. He taught wherever he went.

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-First person to be given written permission to perform on site of the Sydney Opera House as a street performer.

WAIT, WAIT, it gets BETTER! Apparently, as Mr. Heart traveled throughout Australia and New Zealand, he was dismayed to learn that the people of Australia and New Zealand had never heard of, (common-knowledge-in-America), the 'Stop, Drop, and Roll' technique for fire protection.





Well - the Australian Bicentennary was in facy on the 26th of January 1988. Not in 1987.

The first person to get the busking license would have been because you didn't need one before - someone had to be first to fill in the new form and pay the fee to busk.

I was taught the stop, drop and roll technique at school in the 70's.

so there are some inaccuaracies with your dates mr hotfa that might need rechecking with some primary sources


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Drudwyn
Drudwyn

Forget puppy power, Scrappy's just gay
Location: Southampton Uni
Member Since: 27th Aug 2005
Total posts: 632
Posted:Ade, he may have arrived in October, but he was there for the Bicentennial, as he was there for 6 months. So at least in that aspect he's correct.

Spin, bounce, be one with the world, because it is yours to enjoy...

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bender
still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Member Since: 14th Nov 2001
Total posts: 6979
Posted:Are we still discussing twirling history or this man? let us not put no more energy into this most unfruitful tangent.

There is potential for this discussion to be so much more!


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Drudwyn
Drudwyn

Forget puppy power, Scrappy's just gay
Location: Southampton Uni
Member Since: 27th Aug 2005
Total posts: 632
Posted:The lineage bit is fun!

Spin, bounce, be one with the world, because it is yours to enjoy...

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newgabe
newgabe

what goes around comes around. unless you're into stalls.
Location: Bali
Member Since: 3rd Mar 2005
Total posts: 4030
Posted:I'm expecting a spoof line at some point including King Arthur and St George's dragon.
Any offers?
Ren fayre satyre?


.....Can't juggle balls but I sure as hell can juggle details....

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