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SinnerBRONZE Member
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Location: Battle, England


Posted:
hey all
just posting to see if i can get any help/advice. I'm working on the corkscrew and within 20 minutes i pretty much got the movement worked out. My only problem is that i keep hitting myself in the stomach with the ball/tail when im bringing them in front of me after going over my head.
Any tips? or am i just doing it completely wrong? confused

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_Clare_BRONZE Member
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Posted:
Thats ok sinner... transitions and movement take much more practice than just the moves themselves (and they make all the difference, in my opinion smile )

I started with the turn, butterfly and corkscrew... eventually the weave after weeks of hitting myself.

I learned transitions by thinking: "well the poi go 'this way' when I'm doing a turn and they go 'this way' when I'm doing the corkscrew... so how can I get them from turn to corkscrew doing the least possible damage to myself" smile

It's going to be really awkward and bruising for the first few times... but eventually you will find a way that is fluid - and better yet, is entirely your own style biggrin

(going between the weave and the butterfly is a little bit more difficult - my transitions still look a bit dodgy between those two - the lovely Bluecat suggested I stall one poi mid-weave, which helped lots biggrin )

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SinnerBRONZE Member
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Location: Battle, England


Posted:
awesome....
still got a few bruises, but i got c ouple of transitions like weae to chasing the sun-windmill-weave again. biggrin

i'll have a look around the other topics for info on stalls etc.

ty again.

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RevBRONZE Member
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Posted:
haha.. how nifty.. I just resurrected one..

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ma'tinaBRONZE Member
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Posted:
....i stall from butterfly into 3bt weave......

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ImbalanceGOLD Member
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263 posts
Location: Charlotte, NC, USA


Posted:
well, i don't stall when going to weave from butterfly and vice versa, i rather like just breaking the plane and changing the direction.

say you are doing a forwards 3bt weave, i drop for one beat into a 2 bt weave, and as the poi are going down they are on their respective sides (left poi on left right on right). as the poi get to about exactly horizontal behind me (pointing straight back perpendicular to me) i extend my arms directly out from my body , about the time the poi hit the top of their arc i bring my hands together in front of me, this puts you directly into a butterfly, dunno if its called reverse or forwards or what, but the right is clockwise spinning and the left counter clockwise. then i can jump right int oa TTN from there.

like this:

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(note, this image just shows from 2bt weave to butterfly and back, add extra moves as necessary)

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TinklePantsGOLD Member
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Posted:
cool stickmen! biggrin

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ImbalanceGOLD Member
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263 posts
Location: Charlotte, NC, USA


Posted:
thx. the wonders of photoshop (and imageready)

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SinnerBRONZE Member
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Location: Battle, England


Posted:
ty for the stick man animation imbalance biggrin
can anyone give me some knowledge. when i see these pictures of people doing flowers, is that all happeneing at once with firery trails? or is it just a camera on a really slow shutter speed?

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Suibomaddict
577 posts
Location: Oregon, USA


Posted:
Usually it's shutter speed. Tho, I figure it's possible to get a flower if one spins fast enough. The flower Yuta does in his vid looks like it might be fast enough to leave a nice sized trail in a dark enough location. It's never a fiery trail tho, just how quickly the eye compensates (such as shutter speed).

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ImbalanceGOLD Member
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263 posts
Location: Charlotte, NC, USA


Posted:
yeah, pretty much all pictures like that are just long exposure. generates quite beautiful pics, particularly on moves like flowers where the person doing it isn't moving their body much. windmills and butterflys also look awsome.

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NYCNYC
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA


Posted:
Written by: Rev


Written by: UglyCowsOfFrance


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*shakes fist back at UCOF*
Touche!


cork to windmill in 3 easy steps..
1- do the bottom of the cork
2- do the top of the cork
3- do the back of a windmill

windmill to cork
1- back of windmill
2- front of windmill
3- bottom of cork.

you end up with a windmill that is going a different direction than your cork was, but it works all the same or vice versa..




Are you bastardizing and tweaking step 2 to bend the planes to make it happen?

At some point you're bending the plane 90 degrees.

I just did it about 8 different ways with 8 different reads...

Like...

Bottom of cork perfectly level with ground
Top of cork perfectly level with ground but way above head
Quick jerk 90 degrees to change to windmill

Or

Bottom of cork perpendicular with ground
Top of cork at about 45 degree angle in front of my nose but only 1 beat while other hand goes directly to...
Back of head but now I'm 4 beated crossed in 4 beat windmill...

If you change 90 degrees you can obviously flip +90 or -90 to end up coming out in different orientations (but your hands might be crossed)

Hrmm.. I'm clearly confused... can you help?

ubbangel

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RevBRONZE Member
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Posted:
start with the easiest version...

step 1- back of windmill done nice and |

step 2- front of windmill done nice and |

step 3- bottom of cork done nice and _



the trick to it is havin the back of the windmill being OVER the arms (in this case further back then the top of the forearms), then having the front of the windmill be perpendicular to the arms.. arms like this ---- and poi like this |... Finally the bottom of the cork should be UNDER the arms..



arm placement is the absolute key.. because if you maintain planes that are parallel with your arms. then you might as well give up now, unless you want to bring in some harsh plane breaks.. but by bringing your arms perpendicular, as far as its concerened relative the arms, you arent spinning above or below the arms.. and thus can move to either..



after that going the other way should be easy:

bottom of cork arms parallel

top of cork arms perpendicular

back of windmill arms parallel





does that help you Mr NYC sir?

angelblue



and thanks for asking.. other people might have been confused but too afraid to ask.

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NYCNYC
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA


Posted:
Sorry but I'm still lost.

I blame me.

IF you want to clear me up it might help to tell me what's going on with each poi. I keep ending up in some 4 beat variant.

Oh wait... I think I just got it...

So following just my right poi... it goes...

Behind my head with my hand above my head.
In front of my nose BUT between my nose and my right elbow (that's the part I wasn't getting)
Below my right elbow

Is that right? biggrin

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NYCNYC
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA


Posted:
Hrmm... maybe not right... but cool. I'm actually going into a buzzsaw in front of my nose for a beat.
Which I could just stay in or go into corkscrew...

Which is another way of doing it.

Neeto, I found something new to me.

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RevBRONZE Member
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Posted:
cool cool..

I was just getting at that a corkscrew can be done with the arms straight out and the poi pass above and below the arms.. parallel with the arms..
or a corkscrew can be done with the hands pointing down and the poi spinning perpendicular to the hands, and the arms pointing up and the poi again spinning perpendicualr to the arms..

like wise the windmill can be don with the arms pointing up and the poi spinning parallel to them (ie. over the arms (back plane ) and under the arms (front plane)).. or it can be done with the arms pointing behind you and the poi perpendicualr to that, and the arms pointing straight out in front of you and the poi spinning perpendicular to that..

all that changes between these two different ways is how the arms are in relation to the poi.. the poi still spin the same planes.. and it becomes easier to move between them if you use the perpendicular step inbetween.. because when you spin the poi perpendicualr to the arms.. say wallplane with your arms pointing straight out.. you can bring the poi from that wall plane into either a floor plane or a rear wallplane pretty easily.. for instance.. CW wallplane spin can go into CCW bottom cork, or a CW rear wallplane..

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NYCNYC
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Location: NYC, NY, USA


Posted:
Got it.

In theory.

biggrin

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Suibomaddict
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Location: Oregon, USA


Posted:
Theory is a beautiful thing. With it, I can aspire to be a spinning god smile (without it I just have bruises hehe)

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_Aime_SILVER Member
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Posted:
stop confusing the poor boy!
I saw the sinner himself in the park yesterday.
And hes doing pretty good biggrin

SinnerBRONZE Member
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Location: Battle, England


Posted:
biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin



p.s i have officially learnt the ways of sock poi... *throws tails away*
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_Clare_BRONZE Member
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5,967 posts
Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)


Posted:
Errr... ignore this embarrassing double post error... just skip to the one below biggrin

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_Clare_BRONZE Member
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5,967 posts
Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)


Posted:
Splendid... next is cone poi (easier for stalls biggrin)

Then tails.

(in my opinion rolleyes)

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SinnerBRONZE Member
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41 posts
Location: Battle, England


Posted:
hey all....again. biggrin
i've searched the forums for advice on the 4bt corkscrew and couldnt find any so sorry if i'm repeating an already exisiting thread. Anywho seeing as this is the same thing thought i'd post here.
Any advice on the 4bt corkscrew? i've tried just forcing my arms to stay above/ below my head but the poi get tangled round my hands? i judt think i havent got the technique right...

thanks wink

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DrudwynForget puppy power, Scrappy's just gay
632 posts
Location: Southampton Uni


Posted:
Have you cracked the 5 beat weave?

The hand movements are much the same. As soon as your hands wrap, you start to move them, so the hand that's wrapping and pointing up is spinning above your head, while the hand that's pointing down is spinning below you...

That's a crap definition, but it's the best I can do!

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UCOFSILVER Member
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15,416 posts
Location: South Wales


Posted:
I preferred the "cockscrew"....

wink

Sevrinnewbie
3 posts
Location: Bath, Somerset or Canterbury, kent


Posted:
I've just cracked the 6 bt corkscrew. Anybody do 7+?

SinnerBRONZE Member
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41 posts
Location: Battle, England


Posted:
o i see rub it in why dont u eek
i used drudwyns idea of doing like the five beat weave on its side....i got the bottom but the tops keeps hitting me, lol... o well practice makes perfect wink

was just thinking if im doing 5bt weave on its side then arent i doing a 5bt corkscrew confused

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Sevrinnewbie
3 posts
Location: Bath, Somerset or Canterbury, kent


Posted:
Yeah, pretty much, but it's easier said than done.

UCOFSILVER Member
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15,416 posts
Location: South Wales


Posted:
I dunno...
It is quite hard saying "Fivebeatcorkscrew"

oh hang on....

*wonders how long it will take before the 5bt weave Vs. 4 beat corkscrew arguement starts again*
wink

RevBRONZE Member
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1,269 posts
Location: Apparently lost in my ego, USA


Posted:
there's something to argue about?

4bt cork is like 4bt anything else.. you pick a hand to lead.. you lead with it the whole time..

5bt weave is like 5bt anything else.. you change lead hands..

what's to argue? confused2

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UCOFSILVER Member
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Posted:
rolleyes
Do a durbs.. wink


(4t beat corkscrew and 5bt weave = same (ISH) hand movements but different names)

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