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Fine_Rabid_Dog
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Posted:What ever you do, don't go taking me seriously wink



Why the hell is philosphy reserved only for poi?



"Poi is life"...... where the hell is staff in that equation? tongue



Poi gets all the "There is no move" BS... what do we get? Nowt.



S'not fair. I want to be able to terrify newbies with such confusing words of wisdom, but yet there doesn't seem to be any spiritual side to staff... Lame!



Is it because staffers are, by default, meat heads? Is it beacuse philosophy is reserved only for the wussier side of object manipulation?



Should I just shut the hell up before I get lynched?

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Firestaffer
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Posted:How can you say that Poi is harder than staff and then say that staffs are stubborn bastards, what you mean is...you can't do the staff...because it is harder!!!

Does that make sense??

Well i know what I mean!



VampyricAcid
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Posted:philosophy of staff? well ive always seen it as succeding in fitting a square peg in a round hole, hope that makes sence cos i cant really explain why

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Kieron
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Posted:There both different.

I prefer poi, maybe because I've never learnt to do anything with my staff but occassionally I spin it around a bit for a change just because its also fun. Different fun.


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VampyricAcid
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Posted:Poi and Staff philosophically speaking (in my view) are two halves of a whole, both are not so much about what the ends of the object(s) are doing, but what the hands are doing in the middle, the difference comes that poi is all about avoiding the other hand, and staff (from what i can tell with my very basic abilities) is all about connecting with the other hand.

As for one being harder than the other its 6 of one and half a dozen of the other, they are both challenging in different yet similar ways.


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Richee
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Posted:"Sinergy between Staff and body"

POI THEO(R)IST


Tyr
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Posted:biggrin
You people arent taking this topic in a very scholarly fashion!!! wink

Thus far the following 'Fire Staff Philosophies' have been postulated:

Epistemological Philosophy (Philosophy of Truth) E.g. Plato - Perfect Forms etc
One true perfect way to spin (counter clockwise and backwards wink )

and,

Metaphysical Philosophy (philosophy of non or alternative reality) E.g. Descartes
There is no staff!!! (Yes that Lazy Bum Descartes dreamt it up before the Kid from the Matrix)

There are many more options people!!!!!!!
As I see it weve still got many more staff philosophies to try out such as
Ontological
Esoterical
Existential
Nihilistic
Continental
Post Modernism
Ignore Phenomenological it smells funny.

How about

Analytical Philosophy (Philosophy of logic/science) E.g. Bertrand Russell
If the take the follow information:
(A) = I dont want to light my pants on Fire
(B) = I cant wedgie myself with a burning fire stick

Insert into the Logical form (Modus Tollens).
If (A), then (B).
(Not B)
Therefore: (Not A)

If I dont want to light my pants on Fire (A), then I cant wedgie myself with a burning fire stick (B)
I wedgied myself with a burning fire stick (Not B)
Therefore:
I lit my pants on Fire. (Not A) eek

Thus the first Deductively True Analytical Fire Staff philosophy is formed wink

P.s. All philosophers currently turning over in their graves, or grinding their teeth on their keyboardsplease excuse the gross generalisations and inaccuracies in the above statements wink
ubbrollsmile


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Mynci
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Posted:Written by: Vampyricacid

Poi and Staff philosophically speaking (in my view) are two halves of a whole, both are not so much about what the ends of the object(s) are doing, but what the hands are doing in the middle, the difference comes that poi is all about avoiding the other hand, and staff (from what i can tell with my very basic abilities) is all about connecting with the other hand.




What about contact staff?....when the hands are generally just pretty props waving about and having no effect on the staffs movement at all....I am currently trying to keep my staff spinning with the LEAST amount of hand interaction..(admittedly I use my wrists and forearms) to get that beautiful FEEL for the movement


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VampyricAcid
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Posted:its still about connection though, on a greater scale, rather than mainly hands, its everything but hands

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Posted:good day my fellow fruits

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Posted:Legendary Person who Knows, Please inlighten..

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Posted:ubblol tyr thats awesome, can't belive i missed it before.

oh, and i like your avatar as well smile

mynci... is thre no fluidity when your hand are involved? surely you can do it both ways?


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Posted:lol well since you ask dave, in a private message from pyromania42 about spinning in cambridge, i was (and i quote) "officially deemed The Person Who Knows :-)"



and in here pyrojulia said she wanted to "meet the legendary Vampricacid!"



Just been thinking, How can you say contact isnt about connecting, its probabily more about connecting than normal staff


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LordMattman
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Posted:lol ive pretty much jst read this whole thread, its hilarious!!!
neways
even though im still a newbie and havent been staffing 4 long. i dont think poi could be nearly as hard as staff (cept 4 not getting it tangled up) but back to the topic, "staff philosophy", all my urges are telling me to say "be one with the fire" but that could apply to poi aswell, but i reckon wat kyrian said about 'fluidity' is pretty good and Vampyricacid's little message down the bottom "If It Don't Flow, It Won't Go." I Say......
ummm i dunno wat i say...
but yer "If It Don't Flow, It Won't Go" and "Fluidness...." is good,
if some smart person could mingle those up into a smart little saying i think we might have done our job as staffers!



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Posted:I reckon the difference between staff and poi is:
Poi it tends to be u dancing with the poi spinning around you where as Staff seems to be spinning around you and its doing the dancing. I dont know if that makes any sence, but it does to me.


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Posted:rolleyes



"Be one with the fire" is soooooooo clichd. wink


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Posted:haha thats what i thought, but yer..... peace beerchug


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Posted:'take the spinning for granted, its is the strike that follows which is questionable'

philosophise that!


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LordMattman
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Posted:omg that sounds cool but a bit to confusing to me.....


Mr Majestik
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Posted:ubblol i just made it up on the spot!

however, it could refer to fighting, where spinning simply confuses the opponent as they dont know where the strike will come from, and if the fight is worthwhile in the first place?

*head explodes* its not meant to have a meaning! damn my subconcious!


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Posted:Spinning a staff all pretty like in a fight gets you a whack in the face from the opposition. *nods*

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Promethean_Advocate
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Posted:How about:

Think not of the staff as being rigid, but of your mind as being the thing that is inflexible.

And whats all this crap about Poi is life anyway. As a wise man once said: Staff is not a matter of life and death its much more important than that. Or words to that effect.


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Think not of the staff as being rigid, but of your mind as being that which is inflexible.


LordMattman
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Posted:Written by: Typhon

How about:

Think not of the staff as being rigid, but of your mind as being the thing that is inflexible.

And whats all this crap about Poi is life anyway. As a wise man once said: Staff is not a matter of life and death its much more important than that. Or words to that effect.


yer thats pretty good i like it
but we still should keep thinking



shen shui
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Posted:(poem: )

different skillsets.
similar skillsets.
the more you know of one.
the easy another will be.
any manipulated object.
not just the poi and staff.
easy/not easy is relative.

smile


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Promethean_Advocate
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Posted:Or:

The night aflame -
A rigid staff bends only
with soft hands.

Wait....no that doesnt make sense. ubbrollsmile

Dammit!


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Think not of the staff as being rigid, but of your mind as being that which is inflexible.


shen shui
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Posted:something doesnt have to make sense for it to make sense, does it?

those that know, dont say. those that say, dont know.


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Posted:imagine
not the staff
but the motions
your mind must make
to manipulate your senses


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Sporky
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Posted:Think of your staff as water
all you can do is shape its path
no matter what you do you can never truly halt it
it will find some way to flow through you


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Posted:Imagine.

Not the staff...







But poi instead... tongue


Empty your mind. Be formless, Shapeless, like Water.
Put Water into a cup, it becomes the cup, put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, put water into a teapot, it becomes the teapot.
Water can flow, or it can Crash.
Be Water My Friend.


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Posted:ubblol

Getting to the other side smile


LordMattman
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Posted:Written by: bluecat

imagine
not the staff
but the motions
your mind must make
to manipulate your senses


i like that!
and i think typhon is onto somthin!! biggrin



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