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Calv
Calv

newbie
Location: Lymington, Hampshire, UK
Member Since: 12th Sep 2005
Total posts: 15
Posted:My home made staff did me proud last night and the few who used it said it was real good for a first effort. I want it a tiny bit heavier though but i'm unsure how i can do this. The middle has dowelling the entire length, it does'nt have wicks on the end as i'm not going near fire for a while yet, instead it just has a few inches of pipe insulation wrapped around the ends more for protection than anything else.

What do you do to add weight? I'm not too keen on getting a thicker bar as my 3/4 inch pipe does me nicely. The only other pipe in the shop was iron, but that looked and felt a lot more bendable than what i'm using. Then again, i guess theres more chance of strain injuries with a heavy one.

Decisions decisions confused

Calv.


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bender
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted:why don;t you add wicks, there's no need to light them if the time isn't right.
the benefit will be that you will be perfectly conditioned to the wieghting when the time comes to spark up. just be careful about fraying - practice with the wicks covered or over grass.

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Spiral
Spiral

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Location: Farnborough, Hampshire
Member Since: 12th Jan 2002
Total posts: 729
Posted:my practice staffs are just made out of broomsticks of varying lengths and thicknesses, gives me a good variation of weight/length etc..... means also I can use a lighter staff for practising a new move or a heavier staff for building up stamina biggrin

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Calv
Calv

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Location: Lymington, Hampshire, UK
Member Since: 12th Sep 2005
Total posts: 15
Posted:Thanks for that, i'll have a think about the wicks but i know what i'm like, and the slightest bit of skill i gain, i'll be too tempted to light up! Burns unit here i come!

I may have a look at thicker and heavier pipes actualy, i like the idea of it being used as a form of fitness as well as an art.

Thanks again,

Calv.


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Kyrian
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Location: York, England
Member Since: 15th Mar 2002
Total posts: 4308
Posted:... with fuel, my wicks were (are?) always significantly heavier than without... enough to seriously affect my spinning... is this actually not normal?

I mean, I enjoy practicing with peoples lightweight firestaffs, but I always assumed it was a bit impractical cause mine's nothing like that lit....

do i just make seriously retarded staffs?


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Calv
Calv

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Location: Lymington, Hampshire, UK
Member Since: 12th Sep 2005
Total posts: 15
Posted:I'm thinking of glueing a few 1p coins together and padding them out so they fit exactly into the end of my staff, that should add a fair bit of weight to it.

Calv.


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MrFire
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Location: Soton/London
Member Since: 13th Oct 2005
Total posts: 6
Posted:regarding the fuel, paraffin weighs about .817g/ml so if your wicks hold a litre of fuel then this could be almost a kg of extra weight. More likely to hold about half a litre or less total though so this would be about 200g extra weight on each end - enough to make a noticable difference anyways.
I find that the drag caused by the flames is the most significable factor when lit tho

PS: Calv, it's not actually all that easy to hospitalise youself spinning firestaff, so long as you have 28g or so of common sense, so get yourmates together and give it a go cool
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Brenn
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted:*bump*



My current 1.5m staff could use a bit more weight for contact. I spent a lot of time with it practicing while covering the wicks with thick socks adding weight and a LOT of drag. Upon removing the socks from my staff during a practice session, it took off and nearly ended up next door. ubblol



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Konstantin
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Location: Vilnius
Member Since: 8th Jun 2007
Total posts: 66
Posted:My new practice double is allmost 800g each, nearly as fueled kevlar ones
Big contact staff also 800g for now.
And new big single somewhere about 3kg when fueled (uses about 2.5-3litres of kero biggrin )
I think, you should just train not to depend on staff weight too much. Anyway, when burned, it loses at leas 1/3 of it's weight when fuel goes out.


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Mynci
Mynci

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Location: wombling free...
Member Since: 27th Apr 2005
Total posts: 8737
Posted: Written by: Brenn




Weighting suggestions? smile



you could sink some heavy blts into the ends if you have a wooden core and you don't think it will interfere with the attachment of the kevlar... other than that theres not much, maybe re-wick it with bigger wicks hug


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Flame
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Location: VIC, MELB
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Posted:I was given a suggestion the other day for me making a practice staff and (tries to think who told her) but try wrapping cloth as if it wwere wicks and tape it up this would give nerly the same weight as wicks - maybe see thread practice staff?

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DaG
DaG

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Location: Brisvegas
Member Since: 21st Jun 2005
Total posts: 156
Posted:bicycle inner-tubes!

FREE when you go to a bike shop and ask for old ones
and it is quite dense so it carries a bit more weight than wicking,
but hey you can put as much or as little as you want on... cause its free!

I even put a length around my wicks to add extra weight and protection.

you just have to make one cut up one side and then its perfect!

did i mention its FREE!!!

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PJB21
experamentalist and chucker
Location: london
Member Since: 25th Apr 2008
Total posts: 21
Posted:when i got a practise contact staff it came with large rubber weights on each end, sounds complex but its made by taping one end of a strip down then winding it round like a wick before taping off again. combined with the wooden stick it makes for quite a nice weight, great for me anyways... but yeah you could do a similar thing, maybe if rubber strips are hard tog et hold of you could sue something else, old sock/clothing in strips, maybe tin foil? haha you'd probably need a fair bit of it though.... dunno just an idea, alternatively see below...

of course if its already got wicks then that's more difficult, i suggest (if its got wood dowels in the end which it should) getting a self tapping screw and some big heavy washers, then drilling a pilot hole and screwing that in the ends for some nice extra weight that doesn't mess us the wicks nor change them at all =)

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letitburn
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Location: hongcouver
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Posted:just wing it

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Icarus Forde
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Location: New Zealand
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Posted:Ok, so this is the budget way of doing it...


But if you only need a little bit of weight, old AA batteries are useful with a bit of electrical/duct tape. tongue2

Hey, it works, right? grin


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letitburn
letitburn

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Location: hongcouver
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Posted:sounds ghetto but then again i was using denim for wicks at one point

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Igneas Tempestas
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Member Since: 17th Aug 2009
Total posts: 16
Posted:Just made a contact staff for playing around with at home. Dowel from B&Q, sprayed metallic blue with racket grip tape in the middle, and 2 thick rolls of duct tape at each end to make the weighed 'wick' bit. Works well smile shame about the idiot spinning it though

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Fire_Moose
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Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Posted:go to a bike store and get some of their old inner tubes. Cut the tubes to make them wider. wrap around ends and tape.

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DaG
DaG

Golf buggie driving instructor
Location: Brisvegas
Member Since: 21st Jun 2005
Total posts: 156
Posted:ohhh I have taken to usinf Carpet to weight my contact staffs

because it adds volume as well as mass (and drag) it makes a nice slow spinning controlled staff that rolls slower and with more controll.

just attach a strip to each end that is about 10 cm by 30-40cm and itll be great.




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EmmCeeeFF
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Location: High Wycombe
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Posted:I would agree with Dag and say head to your local bike shop and ask for some old inner tubes.. Just cut out the little air intake and then add a strip of duck tape to hold the frist part of the inner tube down, wraper the inner tube around the end of teh staff tightly and then add another layer of duck tape on the outside to hold it all together...

There is a tutorial video of this on youtube by the guys from flowtoys, can't pull it up at the moment as I am at work, but it's out there somewhere


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