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Posted:All the good meteor info is spread out across this board like a huge, grasping octopus, so here's a wee attempt to bring (what I see as) the best bits together.



For the uninitiated, a Meteor is two heads/wicks attatched by one long (usually 1-2.5m) length of rope/chain. Like what your poi would look like if you attatched the handles together with a shoelace.



Basic poi moves are very simple to transfer across onto a meteor (weaves, butterflys, corkscrews, windmills and the like.) So this will only really focus on staff-style moves, throws, and contact. And anything else I find that I deem of interest.



Advice for a staff-style spin infront of the body - Rotor/Pinwheel

If you're finding it tricky to get going...



Making it longer. I started off with a 1.1m chain connecting my wicks and it was way hard. Increased chain to 2m and momentum was a lot easier to achieve.



Add weight to the ends While I don't need to now, phew, while starting up I found it alot easier to add the wicks from my poi to the chain, just below my original wicks. This doubled the weight and again made momentum a lot easier to maintain.



Start from weave If you can already do a poi-like weave, get this going and then when it is on your left-hand side, let go with your right hand (or vica verca) and the meteor will spring out into a clean rotation which you can keep spinning. I found this a lot easier than just trying to spin it from dead.



If you are using a chain bind the middle I was just using a regular chain and I found it was hard to keep hold of - every now and again it would slip and just lace off towards my friends in a scary manner. I've now bound the middle 30cm of the chain with string, using electrical tape every 7cm or so to keep it taught. It's still pretty flexible, but its easier to hold, and makes it easier to stop the wicks catching up with each other.



Written by: onewheeldave


My advice to beginners is to leave the rotor till you've got other, easier moves and combinations, then approach it from those, rather than attempting it on its own.



To elaborate on that: -



Start with your poi moves (this approach does assume a good grounding in poi), weaves, turns etc- you need to get used to the restriction of having your hands close together.



Then learn how to slot in an occasional single turn of a rotor by releasing a hand from the weave, doing the rotor turn, then going straight back into weave.



When you're happy with this, do two turns of the rotor etc- building up from there.



I found complex looking moves like alternate behind the back passes to be way easier than sustained rotor; going into a weave stabilises the meteors and passing behind back actually has a splaying out effect, making them attain the 180 degrees straight line position.



Harder moves than weaves combinations and BTB passses are anything that involves one hand figure eights (expect to take some hits to the back of the head when learning these), and then the rotor is harder than those.



Of course, that's just my experience, maybe others can benefit from a different approach, but, for me, meteors came together when I approached them from a poi perspective.







Once you have that sorted, it won't be hard for you to do the same thing above your head (helicopter perhaps?) You can try getting a few spins of it going behind your back too.



And then, once you have those down, you can try them both one handed - warning, may be trickier.

Written by: ataxia


Sort of like a back of the hand roll when using staff.

Seems like a simple idea, but it's much more difficult first thought. Personally, and from the very few times i've seen others do this, it's travelling in reverse. I'm not sure if forward is possible.



Personally I can only do it continuously forwards, and with my left (weaker) hand. Special needs moi.



***edit***

Just thought, btb weave is obviously a little different than it is with poi. I can only do (thinks...) reverse, so if anyone knows how to do it forward, pray tell. pretty much go into it as you would go into a BTB pass, but you may want your passing hand to be quite a bit closer to the wick than it would be otherwise. This gives you lots of room to grab with your other hand and roll straight into the BTB weave. To come out, I let go with the hand I had to 'catch' with, let it spring back into a rotor at the side and try to keep that flowing. But I guess you could do the same with either hand.



And remember, if you want to catch it properly, you're going to have to keep it slow, at least to begin with.



This presumes you are already competent at BTB weave with poi, if you aren't, someone somewhere else can help you out, I'm not your guy.



***/edit***





Lets have some throws

Written by: originalsmit


from butterfly

i.e upwards butterfly to release, if you try this you will notice that the meteors seem to 'ping' , by that i mean that the heads swap sides and back . just throw and youll see what i mean

timing the correct amount of 'pings' is what helps your throws from this move, obvoiusly the higher the throw, the more 'pins you get.



from corkscrew

do a corkscrew as per poi. upon reaching the point where you would bring your hands back above your head hold your hands together so that the heads spiral inwards wrapping around each other, let them wrap up and half unwrap at which point you throw them vertically , the chains will magically untangle in mid air and come down as a practically straight peice of chain, nice and easy to catch in butterfly.

if your parcticing at night with fire, get a couple of those tiny tiny glowsticks and put one in the middle of the chain it'll help you see where you have to catch to get your butterfly going.





From helicopter

Written by: elasta


try spinning it horizontally above your head, give it a little bounce up and down to get momentum and then throw it vertically up in the air. There is a shot of a couple of guys from vienna doing this on Zebaztian's video: infenfire



Personally I have no idea how to catch that, i just bust my face appart, but I'm sure some of you have tha skills for it.



Probably time for some evil Contact stuff.

Written by: elasta


neck roll - fairly obvious - bring the meteor down from an over head spin, spin it behind your neck, letting the 'non-contact' side off centre swing behind first.



:yawn:



OK, ok, its gonna get interesting now:



The Steve - this is not done in quite the same way as the staff move, because the meteor cannot maintain tension in that way. But if you take the meteor from an overhead CW spin, with you left hand, and let it wind itself down your arm, it will get to your shoulder, and by turning and pushing the meteor with your neck, you can do the neck roll and force it back up your right arm.





Never heard a name for this next one, so for now, its theStrangle



Try it, really, its suprisingly easy to get,

Written by: BrassMonkey


Ya know how if you do a butterfly with poi, you can put it behind your head and back? Well, this creates many possibilities with meteors. For this trick, you start with a one-handed butterfly.



As the ends are travelling upwards, bend forward and stick your neck in, where your hand is, at the same time taking your hand away. This seems scary, and people cringe when they see me do it, but your neck is in the centre, as far away from the hurty bits as it can be, so dont worry.



If your butterfly is good, then the meteor will wrap nicely around your neck and keep butterfly-ing. At this point, you are still bending forwards. After the ends have crossed over and start moving downwards, just lean back, so your neck, and the meteor, are behind the rest of your body. Its exactly the same as if you were holding the meteor and putting it behind your head. But then something magical happens.



When the meteor were in front, they were wrapping. Now that they are behind you, they will unwrap. When theyve unwrapped completey, they will fly upwards. With practice, you can catch them into a normal butterly, or even pass them to someone else. I love this trick, it always gets a smile.







Written by: musashii




Start from a clockwise pinwheel in front of you, wall plane. Take one end and wrap over the back of your neck and your right shoulder. Perform a thru wrap on the end that is wrapped around your neck/shoulder, and continue turning your body to the right so that you're facing backwards to exit. What _is_ this move called?? I dub it the twatis





What sounds like a meteor halo apparently.

Written by: BrassMonkey


I start with my body side-on to the meteor holding one end of the meteor, so it wraps around just one shoulder. When it starts to wrap, I throw the other end down to give it some momentum, and then turn my body around so that it rolls, staff-like, over my shoulder, then my neck, then my other shoulder. Its great when it works.





I can't really find or think of much else. Maybe that if you want to pass it over the back of your neck, or under your leg like you do with a staff, you'll still need to roll it over the back of your passing hand before you do, which is pretty tricky to maintain tension throughout, but it can be done.



If you haven't got a clue what any of this is on about, or you just want to watch some people who know what they're up too, you'll want to be checking these guys out.



Cirque De Solei - some crazy kids, unbelievably slick. Wow.



OneWheelDave Dave Panther with some lovely firemeteoring.



Anyone seen any decent contact vids about?



Well, hope that helps someone out, I guess its time to go outside and learn some of that contact stuff myself. Have fun and loves,



Twirly

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Posted:The "strangle" move is simply the meteor version of a butterfly neck wrap using poi.
Essentially you can use your hand instead of your neck as well. That is perform a normal (not reverse) one handed butterfly, and chop down with your opposite hand whilst the heads of the meteor are on the way up. Allow them to wrap slightly and when they start heading downwards bend your elbow and bring the hand and meteor behind your head. Once the meteor unwraps the meteor will fly off in an upwards direction.
Like the strangle move, you can pass using this technique.

I think the pinwheel move should only be used to describe the move in which the meteor is travelling in the wall plane and is passed across the body, behind the back with the right hand and then passed to the left hand whereby it is passed behind the head across the body then back to the right hand. Repeat.
Obviously the reverse direction involves the opposite hands.

The technique in the "meteor halo" move brass monkey describes (ive seen him perform this) can also be used for some contact stuff in the helicopter plane. For both neck contact and body contact allow the leading end of the meteor to wrap slightly then throw or push the following end through.
I've got a video with some relatively simple hand contact meteor (including some fishtails) in my gallery:
http://www.homeofpoi.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=7009


Geez, I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.

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Posted:wow! love it!

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Posted:Ataxia (and anyone else who joins in) is it cool if I stick anything interesting into the original post? Such as that hand contact malarky -haven't seen the video yet but will once I'm on a better computer- just so as to keep all the info in one place? Naturally it'll be credited to you. xxx



edit** still aint seen the vid but i've played about with it a bit now, wraps and unwraps nicely but when it springs off, it always goes way too close to my face to deal with. So far I'm still finding the neck wrap alot easier to 'complete.' Any ideas?

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Posted:Fantastic. I was just doing poi moves before i read this *hang head in shame*. nice to know there's a huge range of other things to do with them out there...

Have faith in what you can do and respect for what you can't

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Posted:Glad to here thou art inspired.

All my mateys are in spain which has given me little else to do for the past week but spin, so I'm hungry for new stunts to pull.

Oooh just thought of something else (BTB weave) will add it above...


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Posted:Hey hey, BTB weave is a poi based meteor move. I thought you weren't including those types of moves?
Unless you just talking about a BTB figure 8? WIth or without the pass.

I think an important Meteor move is continuously spinning on one side of the body using only one hand.
Sort of like a back of the hand roll when using staff.
Seems like a simple idea, but it's much more difficult first thought. Personally, and from the very few times i've seen others do this, it's travelling in reverse. I'm not sure if forward is possible.


Geez, I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.

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Posted:It is poi based yeh, but to get into it is much different & trickier than with poi, so I thought it may as well be stuck in there. Cheers for all teh additions. x

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Posted:I dare someone to throw a meteor into the air, do a somersault, then catch it.... if you can compete with those little cheaters (cheaters = anyone who can play it better than me/ the french) then you get a prize. It probably involves Christiana Agulariaiaiiaia, but I can only hope you're cool enough.

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Posted:Doing btb weave poi style with a meteor is damn hard because you have to get the middle section of the meteor over your head first.
1 handed continuous spinning on one side of the body going 'forward' is actually not that hard. I remember someone talking about rotors. I'm quite certain that a rotor is continuously applying momentum with your hand (eg is in constant contact). I tried that and it's damn hard. The easier was I found was palm spin>supinate your wrist (turn it up)>grab again then twist 180 whilst holding the meteor>palm spin repeat.


Geez, I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.

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Posted:hmmm gunna have to dust off my meteor some point - if i can get the cash may get some chain so i have fire meteor which will be better weighted and lengthed tongue

out of intereset is a meteorite when you have a wooden central section?

are there any moves for this?


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Posted:I like this thread, meteor was one of those toys I'd been thinking about for about a year and after reading this thread and watching that amazing video of One Wheel Dave's I made one.

At first I made a heavy one using my poi, but after one too many shots to the nuts, I made myself a sock meteor. I'm finding this is like my early days of spinning poi, constantly hitting myself and tangling, this idea of working with my hands close together is going to take some practice, it's rather restrictive.

I got the rudiments of the rotor, both from the weave and the corkscrew, and I can feel that with time, I'll be able to manipulate it like a staff.
I managed a few throws, got a few wraps happening and worked on the one handed b/f with both hands, but there's one thing I've been wondering and I can't find any info doing a search.

Can you turn a one handed butterfly? I did it once, and it wasn't pretty. I have a picture in my mind of what this would look like but doubt has me wondering if this is even possible. I'm thinking I can turn my body and pass the bf behind my back, but can I just keep turning without switching hands?


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Posted:i just been watching OWD's video too, and it inspired me aswell, im thinking uneven butterflies though, so one end is longer than the other so you get a big circle going around a smaller circle??

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Posted:i think b/f's can only be turnd 180 degrees other wise you need to rotate them around you which gets messy

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Posted:That's what I was wondering, can I turn a one handed b/f 180 degrees? I managed it again today but, it felt really clumsy, sort of like antispin wink

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Posted:you could bring it over your head as you turn??

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Posted:I dunno if this fits at all with what you're trying to accomplish, but at the end of this vid Punto manipulates the 1h b/f nicely. If I'm totally off, then just ignore me smile.

Definition of poi- A Hawaiian food made from the tuber of the taro that is cooked, pounded to a paste, and fermented.

Ahnold discussing poi - "It is naht a toober!"

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Posted:I thought about the over the head method, but I haven't tried it yet, I'll give it a go tomorrow

And sideways is another thing I completely forgot about, I believe it's the key to a split time one handed b/f

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Posted:its possible to pass 1h b/f over head - turning with it should be ok as well it'll just be a case of keeping your wrist the same way

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Posted:yes, turning one handed is perfectly possible, its really beutifull (and maybe easier) in split time.

what about horisontal throws?

what about rope wraps?

what about metior hyperloops?

what about multipul through wraps?

what about rope dart style?

what about taking it between your legs horisontal and pinching it there and turning your body?

what about the three beat weave?

what about spirals?

what about buterfly to weave and vice versa recoils?

what about body wraps (recoil)?

what about suicides?

a looooong time ago there was a really exelent thread on the old board, Id advise you to check it out but someone said the old board got deleted???

T wave


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Posted:Yea, yea, all of those, at least the ones I can do biggrin I was hoping to experiment with moves that aren't so poi, but the first thing I'm going to have to do is make a longer meteor. The one I made from my sock poi is way too short but I'm not fussed about it at the moment because my goal is to explore one handed stuff and rotors.

My rotor is coming along, I can pass it behind my back, and if alls well, turn a 360, but more often than not, I end up bailing out into a 180. Throws need extreme work, especially since I just made my meteor heavier, yes, I'm spinning socks with bolts taped to them.

But since I'm a double finger loop on my poi kinda guy, I don't really have any experience with one handed stuff, hence my wondering if it's possible to turn the one handed b/f. It is, so I'll put some time into that for now.

I figure it'll be about a week before I get around to making a proper meteor, I'm thinking chain with some 4 inch tubecores with a rope midsection to save chewing the skin off my hands.

I've never seen a rope dart used outside of Kill Bill, but I like the idea, and contact is sitting firmly in the back of my mind too.

I searched, but I couldn't find anything on thrning the one handed b/f, would I know if I was looking at the old board?

Cheers..David


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Posted:I've seen split time 1 handed b/f with turning.
Hard but possible.

I've tried to learn 1 handed b/f btb, but I cant do a one handed b/f in reverse. Anyone sucessful?

Rope dart moves suck with meteor. It's too short to do any of the complex wrapping moves. The whole thing about rope dart is the length it can travel. With a standard 160cm meteor it doesn't look that impressive with the wrap and release rope dart moves are famous for.


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Posted:i dunno, ive got a 140 metior, and seem to be able to do most release stuff all right, maybe not the multiple elbow wrap (both elbows) stuff, but otherwise fine for foot flicks, normall elbow release, neck underarm throughs and overturned (infinate) turning through wraps....

moves that arnt so poi.... try the three beat weave, its a brainfunk. and one handed spirals, thease are my goals at the mo....

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Posted:1 handed 3 beat is a brainfunk lol i do a lot of rope dart wrapping with mine, hyperloops/airwraps are difficult cos there is rope in the middle which gets in the way

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Posted:With a normal length meteor I just find that it reaches the end of it's range too quickly. Sure you can perform the same moves, but you cant get the full length of release and re-gather.
Don't get me wrong, I still perform rope dart type moves with my meteor but the relatively easy ones.
The characteristic rope dart/meteor hammer moves like: (Dont quote me on the spelling of these)
Getting away from handcuff (Basically the double elbow wrap), crisscrossing upper body (double shoulder wrapping), er-liang carry mountains (Shoulder and double elbow wrap)
are basically impossible without a proper sized rope dart/meteor hammer.
On a rope dart DVD I own the ideal rope dart length they describe is your armspan plus the height from your shoulder to the ground. So for me that's about 180 + 140 = 320, which is twice as long as my meteor.


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Posted:*sigh*

I need a rope dart dvd, which one have you got, and how good is it?

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Posted:I have the Shaolin Meteor Hammer Video CD. It's great, goes for about 40 minutes, has a couple of routines and goes through each move. Cost me not much (20 or 30 Aussie dollars shipped)
Makes it very easy. I learnt (very sloppy though) all of the moves barr three or four in a couple of days. Shush dont let my secret out wink


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Posted:For whoever wanted to turn the 1handed butterfly through 180degs. - i've found its pretty easy, but for some reason I have to turn my wrist 180 aswell, so my little finger is on top. Feels a little funny but if you keep the 'shakin hands' movement going it works really smoothly. Can't twist into another 180 from there without changin hands however.

You can also without twisting your wrist turn 180 for 1 beat, then turn back the way you came and commence. If that kind of thing turns you on.

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Posted:I was just wondering because i've got a meteor and can do all the basic tricks and stuff but what if you kind of turned a meteor into meteor-snakes so were the rope would be was all fire and then a handle in the middle. Because you no fire snakes are like poi just the where the chain was on poi, on snakes is fire, so why not try and do that with meteor? Just a suggestion biggrin

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Posted:Funny you should suggest, because I'm currently considering this idea. However the end cant be snakes because there must be weight at the ends to give the rotation momentum. Therefor the ends need to be the whole platted style (wings of death poi) with a knot at the end. (I'm sure you know what i mean)

I've got a fire meteor, (the one they sell here, just modified) and I think a design like this will have a completely different feel. Maybe it will mimic a three sectional staff feel. I dont know.


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