Written by: Simian
ah, israel. Just another justification for my thesis that religious belief should be treated the same as any other mental illness. But that's another discussion entirely...
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
ture na sig
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Written by: quiet
people seem to confuse certainty with knowledge.
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.
Written by: PsyRush
It's time to realise that things like numbers (sorry dave), concepts, logic and rationality were created with reality, and therefore can't be used to transcend it.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
finland finland finland
the country where i want to be
pony trekking or camping
or just watching tv
It took a while, but once their numbers dropped from 50 down to 8, the other dwarves started to suspect Hungry.
Written by: jeff(fake)
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH...
Written by: jeff(fake)
...whether there is an objective reality but at the end of the day none of you have the scrot to step out in front of a truck and prove otherwise.
Written by: jeff(fake)
...but I have no qualms at all about imposing that belief on other people. The same goes for my belief in human rights in general.
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
It took a while, but once their numbers dropped from 50 down to 8, the other dwarves started to suspect Hungry.
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Written by: quiet
3. And if you're still not convinced, suppose someone says 'the Holocaust was a good thing', or 'the Holocaust never happened'. It's not arrogance to assert the superiority of my position over theirs; in fact, it's almost morally required.
Written by: quiet
What I find completely incomprehensible is the suggestion (made by Icer and Sethis, although I've heard it made by others) that *just because other people have different points of view, they must all be equally valid*. This can't be right. I think the mistake lies here:
NOT ALL POINTS OF VIEW ARE EQUALLY VALID.
If you still think that all points of view are equally valid, I'd be grateful if you could explain why.
A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.
finland finland finland
the country where i want to be
pony trekking or camping
or just watching tv
Written by: quiet
'Your notion of what is right or fair may differ completely from someone elses. Saying that yours is superior is only a display of overwhelming arrogance and intolerence'
Briefly:
1. There may be differences of opinion; sometimes it may be hard to tell who is right and who is wrong. But that doesn't mean that there is no fact of the matter.
2. Nor is it a display of overwhelming arrogance to assert that your perspective is better. If someone says 'this bridge will stand up', and I say 'no it won't' - and they're an ignoramus whilst I'm an engineer, then I'm entitled to assert that my view is better. Why is it better? Well, because I'm better-placed to think about these things, better trained, and generally better situated to appraise whether or not the bridge will stand up. Likewise, if someone asserts that the Earth is flat, and I disagree with them, they are so obviously wrong that I'm entitled to assert the superiority of my position.
3. And if you're still not convinced, suppose someone says 'the Holocaust was a good thing', or 'the Holocaust never happened'. It's not arrogance to assert the superiority of my position over theirs; in fact, it's almost morally required.
What I find completely incomprehensible is the suggestion (made by Icer and Sethis, although I've heard it made by others) that *just because other people have different points of view, they must all be equally valid*. This can't be right. I think the mistake lies here:
quote: 'just b/c they are not your point of view doesnt make them wrong.'
No, but it doesn't make them right, either. Nor does it mean that your own point of view is flawed, or that you'd be unjustified in asserting it. I repeat: NOT ALL POINTS OF VIEW ARE EQUALLY VALID. Some are grounded in stupidity, ignorance, bigotry, and thoughtlessness.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
It took a while, but once their numbers dropped from 50 down to 8, the other dwarves started to suspect Hungry.
Written by: Icer
ok, i think ppl are confusing 'right' or 'correct' with 'valid'. they are not the same thing and when people say (like myself) that a point of view is valid, we not saying its right or that we agree with it. also there is a different between 'equal value' and 'equally valid'. it may seem like splitting hairs and fussing over semantics, but it matters.
i dont think its self-contradicting either.
if people dont agree with it then thats fine, your entitled to your own view, and your free to express it. i think thats what people call 'freedom of speech'. which, correct me if im wrong, is kinda founded on the fact that people have different views, which are equally valid, so should be able to express them. if they were not equally valid, why should they be allowed to express them?
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
Written by: PsyRush
You are talking metaphysics, something that can't be proven. It's pretty cocky to say that you're 'better trained' in philosophy and that your opinion holds more wieght.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
It took a while, but once their numbers dropped from 50 down to 8, the other dwarves started to suspect Hungry.
Written by: onewheeldave
To be consistent in your belief (than all opinions are equal) you must therefore acknowledge that you don't have any grounds whatsoever in critising that opposing view, as, by your own reasoning, it's just as valid as your own.
ie the view that all opinions are of equal value, is self contradicting.
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Written by: Icer
i think in this context 'valid', means not that something is right or correct, but that who ever holds a view on anything has reasons for that view. those reasons are real and cogent for that person.
dont confuse valid with being good or correct, they are vastly different.
by asserting that some points of view are invalid, the next step is to remove those points of view from the population. that would lead to a whole heap of problems that im not going to get into, you can imagine what trying to force everyone to think the same thing exact thing would lead to.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
It took a while, but once their numbers dropped from 50 down to 8, the other dwarves started to suspect Hungry.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
It took a while, but once their numbers dropped from 50 down to 8, the other dwarves started to suspect Hungry.
Written by: onewheeldave
ie the view that all opinions are of equal value, is self contradicting.
finland finland finland
the country where i want to be
pony trekking or camping
or just watching tv
A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.