Written by: Simian
ah, israel. Just another justification for my thesis that religious belief should be treated the same as any other mental illness. But that's another discussion entirely...
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Written by: Icer
ok, so ill refine what i said and say that quantifiable things like maths or physics or whatever can be right and wrong. like the engineer with the bridge.
Written by: Icer
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but qualifiable things like morals or ideologies or whatever are subjectively right or wrong. like the holocaust example.
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Written by: onewheeldave
If someone claims that pi=4, then they are wrong.
Written by: LilMissSmartyPants
I started to read this and then gave up. you guys are too deep for me lol
my religion is sex, drugs and hardhouse euphoria (Vol 2 teehee)
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Anyway, on relative morality, I hold by beliefs because I believe that are right. If someone does something they believe is right, but I believe is very wrong, then I will try and stop them. From their point of view they are right. But my point of view is, in my personal opinion, one hell of a lot better that theirs if they're trying to torture childen or something like that. I'm not going to just throw up my hands and say "Oh well, I suppose the Americans/Terrorrists think they're doing the right thing, it would be wrong of me to judge".
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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Written by: onewheeldave
the buddhists have a good perspective on morality- then neatly sidestep the quagmire of debate on right/wrong, good/bad etc, by classifying intentions/deeds in terms of whether they're compassionate or not. This frees them from millenia of debate that goes nowhere, and enables them to get on with doing what is necessary to bring about a more compassionate world
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Written by: onewheeldave
IMO, if an issue is beyond someones grasp, they should consider just facing up to that, walking away, and leaving it to those who do have the ability to engage it; as opposed to saying 'I can't really understand this, therefore it must be something that has no possible answer'.
Written by: onewheeldave
1. the buddhists have a good perspective on morality- then neatly sidestep the quagmire of debate on right/wrong, good/bad etc, by classifying intentions/deeds in terms of whether they're compassionate or not. This frees them from millenia of debate that goes nowhere, and enables them to get on with doing what is necessary to bring about a more compassionate world
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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Written by: Sethis
I'm pretty sure that there are some "Well qualified" thinkers, but even they still haven't come up with a definitive version of what is right or wrong. Following this line, then no-one can possibly gain any truth with these ethical questions so we should all stop talking about it?
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
Written by: simian
But i reckon the shifting from the objective terms of Good\Evil to the subjective terms of Nice\Nasty is one of those really sensible judgements that make Buddhism so much less mental than other religions.
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"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
Written by: Sethis
Psyrush, great last post. Agreed.Written by: onewheeldave
IMO, if an issue is beyond someones grasp, they should consider just facing up to that, walking away, and leaving it to those who do have the ability to engage it; as opposed to saying 'I can't really understand this, therefore it must be something that has no possible answer'.Written by: onewheeldave
1. the buddhists have a good perspective on morality- then neatly sidestep the quagmire of debate on right/wrong, good/bad etc, by classifying intentions/deeds in terms of whether they're compassionate or not. This frees them from millenia of debate that goes nowhere, and enables them to get on with doing what is necessary to bring about a more compassionate world
So basically what you're saying is that we should ALL avoid any kind of moral debate, and simply show compassion to other people? You seem to be saying that moral debate is beyond all Buddhist's grasp. Also, in the entire history of the human race, I'm pretty sure that there are some "Well qualified" thinkers, but even they still haven't come up with a definitive version of what is right or wrong. Following this line, then no-one can possibly gain any truth with these ethical questions so we should all stop talking about it?
And compassion is still relative. Take my previous example of abortion. You can argure perfectly well that it is both good and bad. Who is to say which is correct?
Written by: SethisWritten by: onewheeldave
IMO, if an issue is beyond someones grasp, they should consider just facing up to that, walking away, and leaving it to those who do have the ability to engage it; as opposed to saying 'I can't really understand this, therefore it must be something that has no possible answer'.Written by: onewheeldave
1. the buddhists have a good perspective on morality- then neatly sidestep the quagmire of debate on right/wrong, good/bad etc, by classifying intentions/deeds in terms of whether they're compassionate or not. This frees them from millenia of debate that goes nowhere, and enables them to get on with doing what is necessary to bring about a more compassionate world
So basically what you're saying is that we should ALL avoid any kind of moral debate, and simply show compassion to other people?
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But you can make the Bastard work for it."
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Written by: quiet
Icer, sethis, mynci, I have questions for you:
i) What does it mean to say that a point of view is valid?
ii) Can there be invalid points of view? If not, what is added by saying 'this point of view is valid'?
iii) Do you think that everything people think, they think for a reason?
iv) Do you think that there are good reasons and bad reasons? Or better/worse reasons?
v) Does my belief that there is beer in the fridge give me reason to think that it's going to rain tomorrow?
A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.
It took a while, but once their numbers dropped from 50 down to 8, the other dwarves started to suspect Hungry.
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
Written by: Stone
Perhaps, like looking at a swastiker, and seeing a concentration camp, instead of a symbol.
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Written by: quiet
- since to say 'this point of view is valid' doesn't actually mean anything.
Or maybe I've misunderstood you?
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Written by: Stone
Mr Jeff (Fake), now that’s just your opinion, and hey you seem prepared to start world war III over it. Like my opinion is better than your opinion.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.