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ok so first read this http://www.venganza.org/
i mean really!!!! wtf?!?!?!?! i just cant get over how this is.

*deep cleansing breath*

ok so how is it that any educated person (as one would assume the Kansas School Board would be required to have some level of education?) or even a mildly retarded chimp for that matter would even consider adding something like ID to a science curriculum?

Now if the ID group where to be taking a page or two from Cellular Automata (which evolution essentially is just in a much more complex environment with more complex survival/interaction rules) and add that the resulting now is possibly the result of design by choosing the rules such that it would evolve in such a way to have created the given now, or that the soul's link to the real world might be the apparently random quantum tunnelling effects that take place in the microtubules (yet another CA) in the brain then i wouldnt have such a big problem with their proposal. both of which are horribly speculative and cant be proven but both allow for the concept of "god" to be introduced to highlight that science doesnt have all the answers

i suppose next we will be using the fox network for our history classes?
/end vent

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i read it and it made me laugh lots.......

spagetti monster and pirates altering the weather climate

Then i realised they were being serious about what they were saying.................

I think im missing the point of this Ben, do you have to be intelligent to understand, or am i having trouble because i havnt evolved properly...... yet

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science is based on repeatable experiments not faith
religion is based on faith

religion has no place in a science class room as Bobby Henderson illustrates very well. ID is propoganda by the church in a effort to maintain bums in pews, its just so very very wrong mmmm i know hows about another crusade oh wait i forgot the war on terror my bad

what chance to kids have at being good at science when they are getting fed like ID?

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written by my kind of person...if logic doesn't work show them what they are doing in a different light i.e. make up a load of sh1t and substanciate it with made up facts and figures. if you liked that then this little gem will have you believing in god in no time at all.

A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.

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cheers ben, that was pretty funny


cole. x

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Mynci - thank you - I like that one

Ben - please can I have a link to explain a bit more about ID?
Cos from what you have said, and that site, it doesn't sound awfully sensible.

However - I got taught religion in school so is this really any different?

Geologists do it in the dirt................

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the big bang theory is a very different beast to the theory of evolution although both of them seem to piss off creationists equal amnounts

for a good evolution explantion and discussion, read 'the blind watchmaker' by richard dawkins, for a big bang explanation go for simon singh's (undoubtedly excellent) new book 'the big bang'.


cole. x

"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood

When I learned about evolution in class the common ancestry of humans and chimpanzees was illustrated with pictures of George Bush. Sadly I don't think he would appreciate the irony.

According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...

A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.

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Thanks for that link, it is a riot!! It makes its point in a great way. I may have to get myself a WWFSMD t-shirt.







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Geologists do it in the dirt................

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I loved the graph of temperature vs. number of pirates. Oh man. Great site.

I agree, though. If they want to fight for ID to get taught in school, then fine. But not in SCIENCE class. Come on people.

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Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?

In terry prachetts "science of the discworld 3 - Darwins Watch" they have some very good points on evolution vs ID and they make it easy to read coz it's funny. if you want a good read and a basic understanding on evolution and ID, give it a look (or borrow it off me )

A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.

is it not just a hoax type thing?

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A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.

oops, i did mean wind up! sorry, had a late night and just 3hrs sleep

*hits my head homer-style*

Stupid brain

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