Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?
Written by: Patriarch917
According to Genesis 1:30, God intended for animals to eat plants, just like the first humans. Especially after the flood, plants would have been scarce since there seems to have been an ice age for quite some time afterward. This would have induced many animals to start eating meat. Men were specifically allowed to eat meat after the flood, so it is not inconcievable that animals first started to eat each other at this time. However, I would not be surprised to learn that both humans and animals started eating meat right after the fall.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Written by: Patriarch917
5. Finally, God did not originally design cheetahs to eat meat. After man sinned, animals (and later men) began to eat each other. The fact that a particular breed of cats has to run fast to catch it’s food is evidence of the corrupting influence of sin.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
Hoppers are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble remembering how to fly.
Written by: Patriarch917Written by: onewheeldave
I don't see how this diminishes the possibility that the matter itself could simply have existed forever.
because because matter falls apart, a basic principle of physics and the natural world is entropy-the natural propensity of matter to decayWritten by: ]If you choose to believe that matter and energy were not created by something (or someone) that is not matter and energy, then you must choose to believe that matter and energy have always existed. [/quote
mmmmnopeFaith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Definition of poi- A Hawaiian food made from the tuber of the taro that is cooked, pounded to a paste, and fermented.
Ahnold discussing poi - "It is naht a toober!"
Written by: jeff(fake)
But for that hypothesis to work there would need to be evidence for a large global flood and a mechanism by which an organism could be fossilised extremely rapidly, so rapidly that it would be possible to observe it. Looking at the grand canyon on Google Earth (36"06'29.19" N 113"13'35.01" W) shows geography akin to to gradual erosion and bears little likeness to areas which have experienced flooding in the past.
Written by: jeff(fake)
And while we're on the topic: where did all the water come from and where did it go?
Written by: jeff(fake)
I think it's critical to the discussion as it is the sole reason for you being a creationist. Why do you see fit to worship the rascist, blood-thirsty, baby eating, mass murdering and egotistical volcano god of the ancienct Isrealites? Why not Allah or The Flying Spaggetti Monster? You have yet to make a comment to explain your dismisal of those hypothesises which are of equal validity to your own.
EDIT:I'm really trying not to be offensive but the actions reputed to be caused by Yahweh over the millennia can be described as nothing but evil.
Written by: faithinfireWritten by: Patriarch917Written by: onewheeldave
I don't see how this diminishes the possibility that the matter itself could simply have existed forever.
because because matter falls apart, a basic principle of physics and the natural world is entropy-the natural propensity of matter to decayWritten by: ]If you choose to believe that matter and energy were not created by something (or someone) that is not matter and energy, then you must choose to believe that matter and energy have always existed. [/quote
mmmmnope
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
Written by: FireTom
wrong topic by the way... it should read:
Intelligent Design, i.e. Evolution... not vs.... but what difference does it make anyways...
There's too many home fires burning and not enough trees
Hoppers are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble remembering how to fly.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Hoppers are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble remembering how to fly.
Written by: jeff(fake)
Patriach, take everything you've said, then replace God with Flying Spagetti monster.
You are irrational, but I refuse to believe that you are beyond help. I think perhaps the self evident ridiculusness of your arguments will become apparent even to you.
before i met those lot i thought they'd be a bunch of dreadlocked hippies that smoked, set things on fire ,and drank a lot of tea but then when i met them....oh wait (PyroWill)
Written by: jeff(fake)
Did you even look at the grand canyon on google earth? There is a clear raised alluvial flood plain. If that canyon had been carved by the flood then that flood plain would have been at the bottom. It's a clear example of an overbanking river which has gradually worn down into the bedrock.
those that know, dont say. those that say, dont know.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
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Then to follow the theory of evolution to its logical conclusion would be to assume that modern man shared a common ancestry with the modern banana,
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Nietzsche
Written by: SeyeThere is a bacteria which uses a reduced flagellum motor as a means of toxin injection. It's a derived mechanism rather than a ancesteral form but it does show that the bacterial flagellus could have existed in a simpler form.
Jeff - "For something to be considered science then it has to give some practicle way by which it could be disproven. Evolution could be disproven if a truely irriductibly complex system could be found in biology." - This is an argument being used by some scientists in the US at the moment relating to the flagellum of a specific bacteria (this is a kind of "outboard motor" attached to the bacteria which cannot work without all 40 or so parts). Of course, this is not irreducible complexity though. It is just that we do not have any evidence of previous incarnations of such a creature. Its more to to with human stupidity than the lack of scientific ablity to prove the ID fanatics wrong.
Written by: EminenseConcede the point? Naturalist evolution doesn't have any trouble at all with it! The scientific consensus is that all life shares a common ancester, not just man and bananas. At the time our common ancestor was just a glorified amoeba. Differences like plants and hands took about a billion years to come about.
Then to follow the theory of evolution to its logical conclusion would be to assume that modern man shared a common ancestry with the modern banana, as we all evolved from the same macromolecule. This sounds absurd on its face, but naturalistic evolution must concede this point.
Written by: EminenseWhat property is that? Neo-darwinism doesn't make any claims which violate the known laws of chemistry or physics.
...but to justify it under these conditions would be to assume an inherent property of matter that has never been observed before…not very scientific.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Written by: onewheeldave
Nethertheless, I did actually spot something important in there, presumably from Patriarch- it is indeed true, according to science, that the nature of matter is to decay, and that the fundamental sub-atomic particles that make up matter, do have a limited (albeit, only over incredible time-scales) life before they decay.
Thus, according to science, they could not have existed for ever, as this is longer than their possible life-span.
So, thanks for that (whoever wrote it); though, I would point out that it could be a dubious argument for a creationist to use, as it seems to be relying on scientific arguments, whilst, in other areas, denying the validity of science.
"Moo," said the happy cow.
the best smiles are the ones you lead to
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Nietzsche
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
"Moo," said the happy cow.
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I think what Fire Tom is saying that evolution is "intelligent design", that God let us be creators "in his likeness" (as it says in the bible).
In other words, why could both not occur?
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Nietzsche
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macroevolution" (a meaningless concept that the IDers came up with themselves
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Macroevolution
1.Major evolutionary change, usually over a long period; the evolution of genera or higher taxa.
1937 T. DOZHANSKY Genetics & Origin of Species i. 12 For this reason we are compelled at the present level of knowledge reluctantly to put a sign of equality between the mechanisms of macro- and micro-evolution
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Nietzsche
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