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Prometheus


Prometheus

Diamond In The Rough
Location: Richmond, Virginia

Total posts: 459
Posted:Bill Dalrymple, 56, and best friend Bryan Pinn, 65, have decided to take the plunge and try out the new same-sex marriage legislation with a twist -- they're straight men.

The reason for the marriage? Tax benefits.

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I know there's been plenty said on this forum concerning gay rights, but I think this adds to the debate in a very unique way. Is this abuse of a new law? Anyone familiar with the 14th Amendment? Two words: Equal Protection.


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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

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Location: WNY, USA

Total posts: 6193
Posted:I agree, it's a hoot. They will be hard pressed to find loving women, so I hope the tax benefits keep them warm at night.

I think they are in the wrong, doing it as a kind of protest. What do they care if this effects tax benefits? Straight couples get them, so should gays.

And that constitution only applies to the U.S....they are getting married in Canada wink tongue


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ben-ja-men
GOLD Member since Jun 2003

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Location: Adelaide, Australia

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Posted:i wonder what happens to the assets if they have to get divorsed because one of them meets someone who they actually want to marry

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Groovy_Dream
SILVER Member since May 2005

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Posted:Written by: ben-ja-men

i wonder what happens to the assets if they have to get divorsed because one of them meets someone who they actually want to marry



At 65 and 56, i think they're a bit over the hill.

This is almost as funny as those 16 year olds who get pregnant so they can claim the baby bonus fund.


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myco
BRONZE Member since Nov 2004

myco


Location: melbourne, victoria, australia

Total posts: 2084
Posted:a lot of people enter hetro marriages for the benefits rather than love. i have no problem with gay people entering a hetrosexual marriage for the social (or whatever) benefits it provides, and also no problem with hetro people entering a homosexual relationship for the financial benefits.

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Kyrian


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Location: York, England

Total posts: 4308
Posted:Inasmuch as marriage is a social institution, they can marry for benefits! I'm not really thrilled by marriage *being* a social institution, but certainly if it is its silly to hold it to other standards.

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_Clare_
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Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)

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Posted:offtopic

Just wanted to say, I know you didn't come up with it Prometheus, but that's a great headline biggrin


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Igirisujin
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Posted:lol thats a terrible thing to do, marriage shouldnt be about 'benifits' or getting something out of it, if someone asked me to marry them and I said why and they said 'oh because if we do this will happen and we will get this' Ide tell them to do a running jump,

Its a fancy day to show the other person you love them, if its treated as a way to get something then its just an insult.


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Arty Farty
BRONZE Member since Jul 2005

Arty Farty

I wear yellow on monday
Location: Farnham Ahoy, United Kingdom

Total posts: 551
Posted:This is an absolute censored outrage!!!!!!!!



For absolute years the gay community has protested and protested to have this legislation brought in, the right to marry someone we love under law.



Up until now gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people have been discriminated against by not being allowed to marry the one they love. For some couples who choose to co-habit they had no rights. When a partner left, or passed away, the other had no rights to property/capital/finance that was shared. If a straight couple live together for 6months in this country, if a separation occurs both individuals are owed half of everything.



This legislation means that gay, lesbian etc couples can be seen as equals to the straight community, by law and by love. Thousands of people have put their heart and soul into making this real, for us to be given the same opportunities as everyone else in the world. These two Canadian buggers are just rubbing sh*t into the faces of the people who've worked for it.



For gay/lesbian couples getting married isn't about dodging tax, or saving money, its about committing fully to the one we love, something weve been unable to since...forever.


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Kyrian


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Location: York, England

Total posts: 4308
Posted:I don't think anyone was claiming that they were what marriage was about, gay or straight. Does this make all the numerous straight couples who get married for idiotic reasons an affront to heterosexual marriage? If a black man marries a white woman because they've decided it will better their bank account, or drop the car insurance payments, is it an insult to everyone who has worked to get interracial marriages accepted? Its an affront to one idea of marriage- but from a state perspective its all about taxes and properties anyhow. Now, its horrible that gays have been so discriminated againt (still are here, and there's been attempts to change that for years....) but that doesn't change the fact that what they have now is the equivalent (as far as I know!) of straight marriage IN ALL FORMS.... including the stupid, selfish, or generally bizarre ones.

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weeleigh

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Location: Waterford, CT

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Posted:No it isn't. Civil unions aren't the same as marriage. I'm not gonna list all the differences, but you can look them up online if you're really interested. And civil unions are only legal in a few states currently. Even though civil unions are a huge step still, it's the basic "separate but equal" idea which we should know by now doesn't work.

Just thought I'd point that out. I don't really care if they wanna get married or not. That's up to them. Maybe people will try to use it as a reason that we shouldn't have gay marriage, cause some people will "abuse the system", but as people have pointed out, tons of people already do. And besides that, marriage actually tends to help the economy, that's why so many politicians constantly try to keep marriage rates up. So while they might be idiots about it, I don't think it's gonna hurt anything, so let them have their five seconds in the spotlight if they're that desperate.


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Kyrian


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Location: York, England

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Posted:Er, thought we were in canada and thius talking about marriage. Sorry!

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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

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Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

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Posted:People abuse the straight system.

My friend Ethan has been married for almost 10 years now. He's straight, but he and his wife don't live together. They file jointly, of course, because it saves money. The whole point of the marriage is to demonstrate that marriage isn't sacred. Ethan dates, too.

Ethan occasionally wears his wedding ring for special occasions. shrug


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weeleigh

look a rainbow!
Location: Waterford, CT

Total posts: 237
Posted:Written by: Kyrian

Er, thought we were in canada and thius talking about marriage. Sorry!



redface Oops, I read what you said as that what "we" have, not "they". Sorry, I think it saw that you were from the states and that confused me. So ignore that. But I stand by my second paragraph. wink


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Arty Farty
BRONZE Member since Jul 2005

Arty Farty

I wear yellow on monday
Location: Farnham Ahoy, United Kingdom

Total posts: 551
Posted:As do I !!!!

Being one of the people who have protested for civil partnerships to be introduced into this country (england) i feel morally outradged by said Canadian men above.

Yes straight, inter-racial people abuse their system all the time, no-one is denying that. But now there abusing our system too!! Nuts to that!!!


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maus
BRONZE Member since Jul 2005

maus

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Location: Sihanoukville, cambodia

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Posted:i think its absolutely disgusting.

there are very few circumstances,where i would forgive people for marrying for benefits,gay or straight.

Call me old fashioned but surely marriage should be about having absolute emotional and financial security with the person you love......not an excuse to screw more money out of the government!?


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Kyrian


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Location: York, England

Total posts: 4308
Posted:What about health insurance?

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Prometheus


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Diamond In The Rough
Location: Richmond, Virginia

Total posts: 459
Posted:For some people it's a last resort. Some 50 million people in America don't have health insurance and that number is steadily rising. I could have health and dental (which I desparately need) if I just got married to my girlfriend, a fact she reminds me of every time I get a toothache. Most people have been screwed by the system for so long, these are the choices they are left to make.

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Kyrian


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Location: York, England

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Posted:Thanks P! Wanted to point it out.... If anyone reads comics, too, todays Real Life Adventures points out another interesting effect... people staying together in bad relationships because of things like money and health insurance. Off topic, I know. But the point I'm trying to make is that there's a lot of other things that get involved in state sponsored marriages....

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weeleigh

look a rainbow!
Location: Waterford, CT

Total posts: 237
Posted:See, and the health insurance issue is just as sad to me as the fact that America won't just allow same-sex marriages. It should be such an easy thing, and still my girlfriend has never been to an OB-GYN (you're supposed to start going regularly when you turn 18) and won't because she has no insurance and it would cost way too much. She just never goes to the doctor, rarely goes to the dentist, stuff like that.

And her mom who has censored insurance from her job pays basically out of pocket for like, three different heart medications every month and has been refusing to get a hernia operation for about a year now because she can't afford the hospital bills.

And that was a bit offtopic Sorry. But this stuff bothers me a lot.


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