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Take me disappearing through the smoke rings of my mind....
Bob Dylan
Written by: BansheeCat
OWD-- If your last post is an accurate reflection of the views of Robnunchucks, Drudwyn , Jeff et al, then I would say we are much closer to mutual understanding than I thought! Great! I thought Rob was still on about proving or disproving the existence of auras , rather than investigating the nature of their existence and exploring how/why they may be perceived by some and not others, under some conditions and not others.
I would in that case find myself even more aligned with them then not, cause I too would be careful about defining auras.....
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
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"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
Written by: jeff(fake)Written by: robnunchucks
no that is not the rational thing to do because you never actually checked to make sure it wasn't just all in your head you just assumed it wasn't. you'll also note that none of the other people the aura group check to make sure it wasn't all in there head they simply assumed it wasn't. this assumption is the problem.
the rational thing to do would be to test your abilities using controlled scientific methods to determine if it was all in your head or not? only after you passed those tests could you say that logically it wasn't all in your head
None of those tests prove that they weren't in your head, just that they couldn't prove they were in your head. Neuroscience is still in its infancy.
Written by: jeff(fake)Written by: ValuraWritten by: jeff(fake)
Quote~ Jeff fake "If the follow ups were positive I would apply for Randi's prize, and certainly believe Valura's claim."
Are you saying YOU would apply for PROFIT from MY gift?
Yeah so are ya….?
What a bizarre and irrelevant question. I made it quite clear I would use the money to help others, an aim you described as "egotistical". Moreover, if you really did have powers, you would be under no obligation to take any test through myself because any decent scientist or knowledgeable layperson should be capable of running the tests themself.
Written by: jeff(fake)Written by: Valura
I have done that so many times it’s normal to me. I’m pretty sure it would be quite normal to Jo also. I’m a reiki Master so I work with energy on a daily basis, and I can quite easily create a ball of energy. Or use my hands to scan the body of another and feel where there is problem energy. It feels hot and tingly.
If someone put there hands over mine I would know which one immediately.
I am starting to believe that no matter how much evidence is given, pseudo science or not, irrefutable or not, the sceptics are still going to reject the possibilities.
I also think that’s because they haven’t had control over the tests themselves so therefore couldn’t draw the conclusions that they believe are to be true… even if perhaps there is evidence that contradicts their proposed hypothesis. How could we even begin to make such tests fair?
Well, you've made a number of testable claims there. It would be an extremely easy matter to produce a fair and impartial test. You could sit blindfolded with your hands out on a table and a tester could place their hand above one of yours (taking precautions to avoid noticeable heat or turbulence etc. which would be the tricky part). You would then declare whether you thought it was the right or left hand, tester records the result. Repeat, say, 50 times for an adequate data set. You claim you would get a 100% success rate.
TAJ "boat mummy." VALURA "yes sweetie you went on a boat, was daddy there with you?" TAJ "no, but monkey on boat" VALURA "well then sweetie, Daddy WAS there with you"
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
Written by: onewheeldave
If the above is accurate, then we have a theory which should be acceptable by both camps.
Valura can be happy because no-ones denying that she actually does see auras (bands of colour) and because the sceptics accept the possibility of the fact that, through the auras, she can 'read' people.
The sceptics are happy because they're not being pressured to accept facts for which there is no evidence.
Issues do remain of course- how can Valuras claims be properly tested?
But at least, the easing of pointless conflict based on, in some cases, simply having differing definitions of a central term, leads to the possibility of mutual understanding and, possibly, actual collabaration (for example, in designing suitable test procedures).
TAJ "boat mummy." VALURA "yes sweetie you went on a boat, was daddy there with you?" TAJ "no, but monkey on boat" VALURA "well then sweetie, Daddy WAS there with you"
Walls may have ears but they don't have eyes
TAJ "boat mummy." VALURA "yes sweetie you went on a boat, was daddy there with you?" TAJ "no, but monkey on boat" VALURA "well then sweetie, Daddy WAS there with you"
Written by: ValuraWritten by: jeff(fake)
None of those tests prove that they weren't in your head, just that they couldn't prove they were in your head. Neuroscience is still in its infancy.
They didn't find anything wrong with me and they did hundreds of tests. Are you that sure you know enough to dispute them?
Written by: valura
Not irrelevant at all. It proves to me your intentions, from your desire to claim the money after I had done all the hard work, as you proposed. I just cant believe that you would claim money that you would have no right to.
I’m starting to get the feeling from a few of your statements that there is a more personal agenda here.
Written by: ValuraWritten by: Jeff(fake)
Well, you've made a number of testable claims there. It would be an extremely easy matter to produce a fair and impartial test. You could sit blindfolded with your hands out on a table and a tester could place their hand above one of yours (taking precautions to avoid noticeable heat or turbulence etc. which would be the tricky part). You would then declare whether you thought it was the right or left hand, tester records the result. Repeat, say, 50 times for an adequate data set. You claim you would get a 100% success rate.
Yep that’s right….I would.
*turns on broken record*
I’m not going to do any tests because I don’t want to, I don’t feel the need to, and don’t have to prove anything to you.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Hoppers are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble remembering how to fly.
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Hoppers are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble remembering how to fly.
Walls may have ears but they don't have eyes
"God *was* my co-pilot, but then we crashed, and I had to eat him..."
Written by: jeff(fake)
A personal agenda? I think we are descending well into the realms of the absurd. I've repeatedly said I would not take any money for myself, and that anyone could take you to Randi or the Nobel prize committee.
TAJ "boat mummy." VALURA "yes sweetie you went on a boat, was daddy there with you?" TAJ "no, but monkey on boat" VALURA "well then sweetie, Daddy WAS there with you"
Written by: the boy g
I would like to ask the believers what else they believe in.
Astrology?
life after death?
re-incarnation?
Ley-lines?
communicating with the dead?
faeries?
palmistry? (readng your the future from tha palm of your hand)
tarot cards?
all of the above?
"Absence is to love what wind is to fire...it extinguishes the small, enkindles the great."
--Comte Debussy-Rebutin
Walls may have ears but they don't have eyes
Love is the law.
Walls may have ears but they don't have eyes
Written by: Valura
Jeff we were wading through the absurd when you were claiming that I had subconscious doubts about my abilities. I was quite taken aback by that and espically amused you would even claim to understand the complexities of my cognitive reasoning, and process' better than myself.
Written by: the boy g
I was genuinely curious as to what else believers in Auras believed. I was trying to get a handle on their world-view. It would help me understand auras and why people believe in them if I could understand that belief as part of a wider world view that perhaps encompassed other phenomena and a belief in other energies.
I suspected that a believer in auras would be predisposed to believe in other spiritual phenomena. The phenomena I listed are drawn from a variety of religons, folk traditions e.t.c.. I did not expect anyone to say that they believed "All of the above", yet that was the response from the only two respondants so far.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
"Absence is to love what wind is to fire...it extinguishes the small, enkindles the great."
--Comte Debussy-Rebutin
Walls may have ears but they don't have eyes
"Absence is to love what wind is to fire...it extinguishes the small, enkindles the great."
--Comte Debussy-Rebutin
Walls may have ears but they don't have eyes
My nunchucks vital statictics
weight: 500g
handle lenght: 16 inches
chain length: 2 inches
Written by: fyrespirit
Faeries, for instance...in a very real sense to me...butterflies, dragonflies and any of the other beautiful little flying creatures(not birds...they're in a class all their own) that we all can see on our lovely Mother Earth...are faeries...as I would consider any lizard to be a dragon...
Walls may have ears but they don't have eyes
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
"God *was* my co-pilot, but then we crashed, and I had to eat him..."