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fiow


fiow

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Total posts: 21
Posted:Hiya,

Ok i've just done an hour of genetic splicing and created a monster (this Poi malarkey is addictive). My first poi were fire Poi with chains, very nice but too hard to practice with. I just bought some new glow Poi but they kept getting really tangled, the string would get into the metal hooks iyswim.

My solution, hang my glow Poi off the metal chains of my fire Poi. Now this is a really nice set, it feels good with chains that don't tangle although maybe a little heavy for me. I think i need to shorten them to reduce the strain and lighten them off a bit.

The main problem I have is that some of the split rings have well started to unravel. I nearly lost a Poi though the window (closed at the time) eek.

So is there an accepted item, widget, doofrey to be used for links to swivels that aren't as weak as split rings? Oh and if so, where can I get them from, what kind of shops?

Thanks

fiow


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flid
BRONZE Member since Aug 2002

flid

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Warwickshire

Total posts: 3136
Posted:split rings are notoriously bad and shouldn't be used for fire poi in my opinion. Use quicklinks instead (designed for chain and available from hardware stores or HoP store)

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fiow


fiow

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Total posts: 21
Posted:thanks for the quick response flid,

I'll get myself to B&Q tonight.


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flid
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flid

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Location: Warwickshire

Total posts: 3136
Posted:not tried b&q, but homebase's selection sucks smile They look like this:




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It's worth taking your chain along with you and seeing if the fit before buying them (assuming you can sneak them out of their packaging without being spotted on cctv)


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fiow


fiow

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Total posts: 21
Posted:So they do actually stock them at Homebase? Just in case they don't have any at B&Q. I just need *some* no matter how bad as i can't do my Poi practice atm.

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flid
BRONZE Member since Aug 2002

flid

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Location: Warwickshire

Total posts: 3136
Posted:when i last checked (admittedly over a year ago) they only sold quite big chunky ones, which were too big for the links of the chain i was using at the time.

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fiow


fiow

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Total posts: 21
Posted:Bum, well this is quite large chain. I'll see what they have in stock.

Maybe it's no go'er but at least i know what i'm looking for now.

Cheers


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*HyperLight
BRONZE Member since Dec 2003

*HyperLight

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Location: Great Malvern [UK]

Total posts: 1174
Posted:I use some reasonably small ones from B&Q.. the ones I saw in Homebase were mahoosive!

Cake or Death?

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WOFT
SILVER Member since May 2005

Likes trees...
Location: Cape Town, South Africa

Total posts: 209
Posted:The chains that I have use 2 splitrings instead of 1. they are also (according to the manufacturer) better quality than the usual split rings you pick up in the hardware store. A mate of mine has had a pair of the same fire poi for a year, and there is no wear to the either split ring.

Still, if you can get quicklinks, those are probably better.


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Seye
SILVER Member since Mar 2005

Seye

Geek
Location: Manchester, UK

Total posts: 1261
Posted:My led poi are on loops made out of hiking boot laces. Just make sure you tie a sturdy knot in them.

My fire poi have quicklinks. Be careful to check that they are tight regularly. I nearly lost a fire head in the pond in my local park a while ago. Pretty lucky it was heading towards the pond to be honest.

(dont check straight after putting them out - it hurts frown )


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Lurch
BRONZE Member since Nov 2003

Lurch

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Location: Oregon

Total posts: 929
Posted:Get a couple pairs of beefy pliers and you can use stainless lockwashers come in all sizes and available at just about any hardware type store out there. They're not something you're going to be able to swap out with your bare hands though.


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That or go to a fishing shop and look for super heavy duty stainless fishing swivels


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Dunc
GOLD Member since Aug 2003

Dunc

playing the days away
Location: The Middle lands

Total posts: 7263
Posted:With the force present at the end of fully loaded fire poi I wouldn't recomend anything that 'bends' into shape like a lock washer. Like split rings they're designed for a completely different purpose and not suitable at all for safe guarding those around you (if you get burned it's your own fault) while you spin.



Id' say quick links are the only way to go. Safe, sturdy, and make sure you buy stainless steel ones cuz plated brass sucks ass.



The fishing swivels etc are ok but I'd recomend really the really strong sea fishing variants to ensure that the pulling weight equivelent on the end of you poi is far less than the swivel is rated at.



Written by: Seye:
(dont check straight after putting them out - it hurts frown )





Aw seye! A valuable lesson learned hug


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Lurch
BRONZE Member since Nov 2003

Lurch

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Location: Oregon

Total posts: 929
Posted:I'd generally agree, but play with stainless lock washers much and you'll see how incredibly strong they are. Generally I go by the rule that if I can hang off of it it's strong enough for me, I know that a lot of ballchains out there wouldn't stand up to that test. since afterall, all the balls are just bent into place. wink

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Seye
SILVER Member since Mar 2005

Seye

Geek
Location: Manchester, UK

Total posts: 1261
Posted:Written by: Dunc

Written by: Seye:
(dont check straight after putting them out - it hurts frown )



Aw seye! A valuable lesson learned hug


**Note to self... beer + fire + trying to make up for the beer by being really safety conscious = pain** frown


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marco


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Location: uk

Total posts: 328
Posted:
All the fire poi I build for peeps are internally secured through the structure, no swivels / and or split rings, although some older sets are that are still in daily use were put together with heavy duty split rings, two years of wear and never had any probs.


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Katrina
GOLD Member since May 2004

Katrina

enthusiast
Location: Edinburgh

Total posts: 352
Posted:I had a lot of problems with split rings on fire poi so i started making them using quick links (not stainless steel ones though as I'm working on a budget) and for my swivels I use ferret swivels (they're about 2.5cm x 2cm and only cost 20p). I've only found one place to get them though so once a year I bulk buy from them.

Haven't had any problems with them yet *touch wood* biggrin


One day i'll learn to resist gravity...

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