-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: Doc LightningWritten by: duballstar
hmmm... i dunno about that, if you refuse to be searched you could end up pinned to the floor with a hole in the head...
Fine.
Live free or die.
-v-
Wiederstand ist Zwecklos!
Written by: vanizeWritten by: Doc LightningWritten by: duballstar
hmmm... i dunno about that, if you refuse to be searched you could end up pinned to the floor with a hole in the head...
Fine.
Live free or die.
"give me freedom or give me death"
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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Written by: Sethis
A. It means that there is no hope of negotiating with terrorists. This is a policy that I personally do not agree with, because it costs lives, and prolongs the conflict.
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Have faith in what you can do and respect for what you can't
Written by: flid
Spain pulled its troops from iraq after the madrid bombings. This is really bad for the spanish people. Sure, they are less likely to have another train bombing by people apposed to spain's involvement with iraq, but they've had their views changed by fear, not logic.
Written by: Sethis
But I still haven't had anyone explain why removing British troops from Iraq would be a bad thing for England
Written by: Sethis
Did we? They got in with under 60% of voters voting for them. (And considering that about 60% of people actually voted, that means that less than half of the population wanted them back in) I want to know how that can happen in a "Democratic" society.
Written by: Sethis
Tony Blair would get a lot more respect from me and pretty much everyone I know if he just said "I made a mistake in invading Iraq, and I apologise."
Written by: OneFinalStep
Did you know that Bin Laden hated Saddam?
Written by: Sethis
(International Democracy? Not here mate.)
Written by: Spiderbaby
Do you think the views of the spanish people have been changed or the views of the government have changed?
Written by: Sethis
About the encouragement of terrorism, how many more bombings have there been in Spain after they pulled their troops out? None that I can recall.
Written by: flid
I feel like the new Raymond
First of all, I didn't personally vote labour, nor did any of my immediate family members who I know of. You can't however blame voter apathy as undeomcratic. People who didn't vote are putting into practice their democratic right not to. Sure someone may say "labour are cocks!", but if they didn't vote for another party then they can hardly be taken seriously.
Written by: flid
Did he make a mistake in Invading Iraq? There is controversy over whether the intelligence on WMD was correct or or not, but I know I for one am not sad to see Saddam go. I've yet to meet an afghan or iraqi refugee in Human Rights work who'se felt the same about the fall of the Taliban/Saddam respectively.
Written by: flid
I believe (me personally) that there's things in the world which we don't all need to know the finer points of, that it's just not practical to tell everyone (especially when we don't know who the enemy is) every single military point or those relating to national security. In these cases I just have to trust these services, who generally do a pretty damn fine job. As for changing foreign policy as a whole, that's a political thing not military.
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
(G.W. Dahlquist)
Owner of Dragosani's left half
Written by: coleman
so what we are left with is a terror campaign that has an outcome that can never be achieved
Written by: coleman
but i categorically disagree with the statement that "we are as much to blame as the terrorists themselves for everything that goes on".
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
Written by: Firepoise
Doc, if there were bombs every other day in New York, if many, many innocent people (including your friends and family) were being shot every day - would you still oppose random searches in the street?
"give me freedom or give me death"
The rallying cry of 'freedom fighters' and suicide bombers the world over.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
Written by: Doc Lightning
I am a freedom-fighter.
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-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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Written by: Firepoise
However, surely one of it's redeeming points is the openendedness which allows for interpretation?
"unreasonable searches"
Is it unreasonable to try to prevent innocent killing (the aim of the searches)? No, of course not.
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Searches are hassle, surely, but it's not unreasonable.
As for probable cause... hmmm. The problem is no-one looks like a bomber - and I know you're not suggesting guards only search one religious group or another.
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I really don't know, doc (also it's late and my brain has stopped). I understand your anger... but I'm just not sure random searches (carried out properly) are such a bad thing.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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Written by: Firepoise
However, they're not doing that in NYC (yet). And I can't see it getting that far... you guys hold so dearly to your consitution I can't see it being allowed.
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But surely, in this sense, 'probable cause' is up to individual interpretation? The guard or policeman on the street has to make that choice then and there. That's going to leave room for human error...
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"They don't work."
I think they do. They don't work if the aim is to prevent every terrorist attack - that's impossible - but they do form some slight deterrent (which is better than none).
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I don't know (again ). For me this debate essentially comes down to whether rights and democracy (and it's a dubious democracy there at the minute) are more important than human life... and I don't believe it is. Human life is sacred - above all things.
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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Written by: frawstypaw
and i for one will celebrate them leaving after this term which will once again be full of cockups and media posturing with little real progress
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