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Nate
Nate

Groovy ga watashi no namae desu!
Location: Oxford, Oxfordshire, England
Member Since: 5th Aug 2004
Total posts: 1530
Posted:in the poi world, i havent learnt anything in soooooo long its rediculous

i look around in the poi moves section and just get extremely confused

i lack inspiration to spin poi, there's plenty around but none that i could even think about learning

everything's getting far too hard to learn in the world of poi

anyone else feel the same way?.......also solutions?


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bender
still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Member Since: 14th Nov 2001
Total posts: 6979
Posted:the only person you should keep up with is you, and to a lesser extent, robert heart.
but mostly you.

watch a cool choreographed movie (hero),
watch a sunrise,
spin in front of someone who's never seen it before,

most important of all, fall in love with twirling all over again!!!!


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mtbeer
mtbeer

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Location: Charlotte, NC, USA
Member Since: 11th Aug 2004
Total posts: 529
Posted:It's a pretty common thing. Most people go through that from time to time. I had my first episode of that about three months ago when I though I had exhausted all of the moves I was capable of pulling off. I had put the poi down for quite a while before I heard them calling to me.

In the last month or so I have started spinning again in full force. I still haven't picked up any crazy new moves but I have been slowly refining what I can do and finding new transitions and ideas on how to progress. Things I had trouble with before I now see in a new light.

Maybe taking time off from spinning is what you need. I took the blitzkrieg approach to poi and burned out fast but now it's coming back in a new way. I don't feel the need to learn new tricks, but I'm still happy when I chance across one. If you don't want to spin, then put them down and when the time is right they will let you know.


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Nate
Nate

Groovy ga watashi no namae desu!
Location: Oxford, Oxfordshire, England
Member Since: 5th Aug 2004
Total posts: 1530
Posted:the loss of inspiration, or motivation to spin poi doesnt really bother me too much

its the feeling that everyone else is slowly learning tricks i cant even understand

take for example all the pages in the inversion atomics etc thread, i dont understand any of that stuff, especially at this time in the morning


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Dragon7
Dragon7

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Location: Aotearoa (NZ)
Member Since: 17th Oct 2003
Total posts: 625
Posted:Sry to hear ur left behind but iv had that before. You just have to focus on a move ie btb for weave (example) and maybe another few moves ok. then you just work on them, it stops you from getting bored and youll always have focus and drive to get more moves. If you keep trying to get moves you like you will be learning moves all the time. Like youll get one but still be trying to get others... its a great way to learn and still stay amped smile

Stay true to you. Dont worry about what other people are doing. When you are ready it will all become clear and you will already be able to do most of the moves people are talking about. Like me, i often get suddenly hit with stuff arashi was talking to me about yrs ago ubblol

Havnt checked your video yet, but i will soon biggrin

Good luck


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PyroWill
PyroWill

HoP's Barman. Trapped aged 6 months
Location: Staines
Member Since: 4th Aug 2004
Total posts: 4437
Posted:I think Nate it sounds like in your head you want to always be bettering yourself, anturally this is a natural emotion but dont be afraid to sit down and say hey im happy here, you are already good and advanced spinner, so dont worry if you lack any new moves, i havent had any new moves for about 4 months now and its not great but its nto pressing on my mind,
my suggestion is do what i did, i learnt a new skill, firs tit went to staf,, got bored of that and went to contact juggling now its juggling, can you juggle? if not then learn


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mtbeer
mtbeer

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Location: Charlotte, NC, USA
Member Since: 11th Aug 2004
Total posts: 529
Posted:I know what you mean. Just about all of arashi & revs posts are greek to me. Even when they are talking about stuff I know how to do smile

From now on, all technical posts should contain a video link or at least a disclaimer saying "video not supplied, don't bother" biggrin


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polarity
polarity

veteran
Location: on the wrong planet
Member Since: 16th May 2005
Total posts: 1228
Posted:biggrin I haven't learned any new moves in years. I pretty much got nearly everything that was possible at the time a couple of months after I started, back in 1999.I managed to get basic butterfly, reels and weaves in the first weekend, then added corkscrews and chase the sun later. I've been able to pull off a btbw badly for ages, but haven't progressed much otherwise.

A lot of it comes down to me having very bad coordination, but it's mostly just not being aware that there were so many new moves out there to try.

I've been stuck on front weaves for ages, which really isn't helpful, as it's a move that can't be held in planes like lots of others, so I'm probably pretty messy by now, although I prefer a slow tai chi style weave using as much space as possible, which just ignores planes and becomes freeform.

Hopefully I'll be able to learn a lot at Falmouth, and spend the next year or so putting it into practice. That's if I have time with all the other stuff I'm planning on doing wink

Now I've found HoP I'm determined to catch up, and learn at least a couple of things before Falmouth, at least getting btbw into wall plane and switching sides.


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mtbeer
mtbeer

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Location: Charlotte, NC, USA
Member Since: 11th Aug 2004
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Posted:BTB weaves in a wall plane is just a form of the btb waist wrap, no? Case in point, all these silly names we put on simple movements that do little but confuse others.

I envy all those attending Falmouth 4.


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rowanlee
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Location: west coast
Member Since: 23rd Apr 2005
Total posts: 99
Posted:Nate, I dont understand a thing posted about moves here either! Ever! Even the ones I know.. The ones I know, I usually call something different. And my version of timing does not seem to fit in with anyone elses at all... I finally get something, and happlily exclaim, oh! I see! its one two, then over for three, and they say
" What the f you talking, thats a five beat?!" and we all burstout laughing.

How do you find you learn when someone shows actually you the moves( in person) , or shows you an new concept( the whole idea of atomics, or isolations for example, as opposed to specifics...) ? Does that make it possible to learn? ( in time) I have found I need to be shown things, broken down into little sections, repeatedly, before I can get them. I usually struggle along a while bludgeoning myself repeatedly without much hope, then wake up one day and find I can do it!

Video helps, but I was talking with a pal the other day about how until I understood and could at least attempt certain moves, I did not even really see them in the videos- though they were there! Bizarre. For example, hyperloops- all over the col4 vid, and I totally thought I had never seen them before when Nick started showing me how to do them...

At any rate, I think just rememebering that it is fun, keeping things light and playful always helps. I realize that when I am unable to learn a new move, or even think of one, there is always room for improvement on other areas, like my planes and timing. Or just dancing the moves I already know. Or doing the whole thing, spinning while belly dancing, on one foot... with my eyes shut ;-) It adds variety, and keeps me feeling challenged and progressing..

Good luck,
have fun playing!
light and love,
~a


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fluffy napalm fairy
fluffy napalm fairy

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Location: Brum / Dorset / Fairy Land
Member Since: 12th Dec 2001
Total posts: 3638
Posted:nate - I have been spinning a lot longer than you and don't understand it either. If you feel like that - imagine how I feel shrug

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Mr_Chutney
Mr_Chutney

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Location: Herefordshire
Member Since: 18th Apr 2003
Total posts: 1711
Posted:Bear in mind that lots of the stuff you do is still considered incredibly technical and 'out of reach' by many spinners. I watched your poi vid and instantly learnt something I could so easily have done but never thought to include it (the BTB over shoulder-to-hip carry into BF Buzzsaw- very nice indeed biggrin) and there you go, something else has got me.



You're totally capable of inverted weaves and stuff (I expect you already do some of them and maybe don't realise), and there is the other problem that you can start forgetting the level of your ability when you come into contact with it everyday. I told someone the other day that I felt my spining was a bit boring and generic and was reminded that thats only through over exposure- as mentioned above, spin in front of someone not so poi savvy, maybe throwing in one of your hyperloop fountains or something wink and they'll probably need a sit down before they leave biggrin



Oh, and as if that wasn't enough, you've got Falmouth. Git. smile


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strugz
strugz

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Location: Southampton - Possibly...
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Posted:dont worry too much Nate........ afterall its only poi wink

You still have your staffs biggrin

cool

(but i know what you mean rolleyes)


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mech
mech

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Posted:ive not practiced in an age, and thats why i dont pick up toys so much anymore, a good jamming session with a few poeple, normally remonds me why i love it and brings me back to wnating to learn again

go with some one who will teach you well, and correctly, and not give you a eally high end move that looks great but is hard to master, build block on block , and it will all come back to you


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Vixen
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Posted:I imagine that learning from reading a thread is the hardest way to go about things - so many people have different ways of doing thats that it can all get a bit complicated... im sure at falmouth or uberpoi or where ever your next meet up is you will find people there that will be able to explain things and give you a new burst of insperation.

If not.... you can always try teaching me! xxx


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Location: Austin, Texas
Member Since: 21st Aug 2001
Total posts: 3899
Posted:I said something very similar to what nate said to poibox a couple weeks ago, and he gave me a pep talk along the lines of what Mr. Chutney said.

But really Nate, you are extremely talented with poi (technically superior to myself for sure), if a little cocky... wink

We all suffer our down periods where we feel like we are on a never-ending plateau. But you have to travel thru that period till you body-mind interface assimilated enough to take it to the next level, which I find tend to happen suddenly when it does happen.

And you told me at Falmouth 3 that I was one of the most interesting spinners to watch that you had ever seen - which I took as a huge compliment coming from you - I was kinda shocked even when you said it. So maybe what you should address while you are on this technical plateau are things like matters of style - what did you see in my spinning that you liked, and how can you work that into your spinning, etc...

And taking a break is always a legitimate form of expression as well.

One last thing I find that helps inspire me - teaching other people poi. Especially if you can find an especially talented student and work closely with that person for a while. Their joy of learning poi rubs off, their mistakes often fuel ideas for new variations, and occasionally they even blow you away by imagining and executing something completely different that you never thought of. weavesmiley


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Glåss
Glåss

The Ministry of Manipulation
Location: Bristol
Member Since: 8th Nov 2001
Total posts: 2523
Posted:ubblol Nate, owww sympathy:
1) What is good Poi spinning?

2) What is the most difficult thing to do with Poi?
(hint: you could spend a decade working on it and still want to practice it more.)

3) water water everywhere.... maybe you should drink it
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...ll/fpart/1/vc/1
br>Theres a follow up to that, which I really should write one day.

4)What bender said. Bender the offender is the most pant-wettingly funny wise old fool on hop.

5) A very good way for you to become a much better poi spinner would be to not learn any new moves for 6 months.

6) 8 years ago, putting the extra loop in cross follow with poi was state of the art.

(*if you're very old school you'd call a weave cross follow and the extra loop would be what you call 5 bt weave)


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coleman
coleman

big and good and broken
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay
Member Since: 29th Aug 2002
Total posts: 7330
Posted:nate hug



what chutney said was bang on smile



the inversions thread is classic hop new ground material - its a new area of poi that everyone currently thinks of slightly differently and that needs lots more exploration before it is in a form with a solid structure (and hence can be easily/logically taught).

the only way to understand is to read it all, try and spin the bits you think you understand slightly and ask tonnes of questions (by pm if you prefer) about what bits you don't get.

the thread you mentioned has a few connected videos and there are more that relate to it scattered around (with the exception of the atomics stuff).



in fact, in the case of that thread, it covers three areas of poi that have been barely explored by a very few people (even less that feel willing/capable of discussing it using nothing other than text and the occasional video clip).



i love what dragon said: there are massive areas of poi that are untapped that don't require lots of technical knowledge to get on with yet they remain ignored.



there's plenty around and *tonnes* of it you could think about learning.



that's what uberpoi and falmouth are for though, right? smile



solutions before then?



1. read what drew just said smile



2. read 'you can go to the ball' and do searches on anything you haven't considered fully.



3. search for all of andy's (poiboxII hug) posts from the last year or so and fully explore the suggestions he gives.



4. take what you already know and make it unique to you - make variations that are the same move technically but look very different stylistically (e.g. i used to love longarm variations and mixed tempo, now i work more on full and part isolation of moves and i'm just this week playing with inverting beats again).

a new variation is often more revealing and useful than a 'new move'.





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Dunc
Dunc

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Location: The Middle lands
Member Since: 19th Aug 2003
Total posts: 7263
Posted:Nate, it just peaks and troughs mate. Everyone I know has hit a plateau at least once. Sometime you feel it's a never ending learning scale, other times the inspiration is so low you can't even be bothered to pick them up.



Stop 'trying' so hard and don't think that you 'have' to find something new. As posted above a variation is easily just as satisfying, if not more so than new moves.



If you're feeling uninspired you can't force yourself to enjoy it, forget about it for a while, learn something else (not staff!! spank ) and then take your new knowledge back to your poi.



There's a million answers to this, all and none of them will help you out, but surely in time something will.



Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon! And for the rest of your life. And remember, there is no 'behind' to be left in buddy hug





Let's relight this forum ubblove

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Nate
Nate

Groovy ga watashi no namae desu!
Location: Oxford, Oxfordshire, England
Member Since: 5th Aug 2004
Total posts: 1530
Posted:THANKS EVERYONE!! although i'm reading this a little too late because i learnt a shite load of amazingly cool poi in ireland mainly thanks to fnf! hug

brilliant help from everyone here and im saving this thread in my bookmarks so i can return when i need to

glass i cant wait to meet you at uberpoi......i mean it, i really cant, sooo excited


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stavvy
stavvy

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Location: Nottingham
Member Since: 4th Nov 2004
Total posts: 18
Posted:i always find that making a mistake in a move will sometimes lead on to something new thus confirming that old day long expression you learn from your mistakes. A good way i find to break into new moves is to keep practicing what you have then as the muscles begin to learn the positions they will eventually begin to stretch further allowing the introductions of new ideas into the existing. all good things come to those who wait (especially a nice pint of guiness :P).

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bender
still can't believe it's not butter
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Member Since: 14th Nov 2001
Total posts: 6979
Posted:fnf inspired you?! funny that!

ps glass, youare missed!!

^_^


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PyroWill
PyroWill

HoP's Barman. Trapped aged 6 months
Location: Staines
Member Since: 4th Aug 2004
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Posted:Nate, you could always destroy every poi spinner in the world with a mega death ray, then you'd be the only, and best, or at least destry the simple ones and the imprefect ones, and just create pure races, hmmm forced breeding here i come biggrin

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Dom
Dom

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Location: Bristol, UK
Member Since: 19th Dec 2001
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Posted:Nate can spin. You've either learnt a lot in the past 3 weeks or you need to move in more directions (literally).

I'm constantly feeling left behind by technical aspects as I don't tend to pick stuff up from other spinners. And watching fire spinners this weekend I realised I probably haven't done a continuous 5 minute 'spin' for a long time. Back to basics for me!


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