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Medusa
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Posted:Shapelle Corby has just been sentenced to 20 years in prison cause she was found guilty of traffic marijuana into Bali.

Any comments?

Would love to know what people think.


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Posted:i havnt followed it just from what people have said, im curious to know if her fingerprints found on the bag containing the drugs?

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Posted:I think it's an outrage, especially considering the Bali Bomber got 2 years jail for contributing to the death of ~180 people.

Clearly the bomber had a little more persuasive prowess....

Poor Schapelle - I totally think she's innocent. And, if she's not, well then she deserves it for being so stupid.


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Posted:They screwed up the bag evidence...the cops touched the bag without wearing gloves...she also touched the bag when she pulled it out after being asked to open her body board bag.

So it was all screwed up.


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Posted:I haven't been following it all that much but my Dad seems to think it was her brother in law who planted the drugs on her.



Yeah there was all that stuff with secruity cameras, weighing her bag, fingerprints etc.



How much marijuana was it again? 4 kilos?



Of course she's innocent but she was never going to be found innocent.



I was listening to the coverage on the radio on my way home and I was shocked and appauled at the group of Indonesians that cheered and clapped when the verdict was announced. I can't get over that.

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Posted:I don't understand how she couldn't have noticed the fact that the bag of marijuana that was found in her bag was huge...how could she not have been able to tell the difference????

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Posted:Written by: Medusa

I don't understand how she couldn't have noticed the fact that the bag of marijuana that was found in her bag was huge...how could she not have been able to tell the difference????



Somehow I don't think she's the sharpest tool in the shed....


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Posted:I feel sorry for her having to spend time in an Indonesian jail...but seriously I don't think that any of us can really tell if she is guilty or not...we haven't seen all the evidence (the media only show us what they want to show us).

I am quite seriously getting really angry at all these people saying they are going to boycott Indonesia because she was found guilty...how do you know she is innocent??? You don't in reality just as I don't know if she is guilty....so why boycott a whole country based on this one case?

Take into consideration I am a bit over emotional on this one as Indonesia is my second home....and yes though parts may seem shitty due to what has happened to this girl but not ALL of Indonesia is bad.


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Posted:But a witness from the customs people went to check her bag or confronted her about it she held her hand over her bag in effort to stop them from checking. (I'm not sure if this was in Australia or Bali)

And that was the most crucial bit of evidence.


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bender
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Posted:20 years is a long time. i hope her appeal works.

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Posted:They are trying to do a prisoner transfer with Australia so maybe the appeal will be heard in Australian courts

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Pyrolific
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Posted:eh Ive been following it closely, and I think there is no evidence to suggest she is innocent , there is only argument that much 'potential evidence' has not been handled well. There is a lot of dodgy stuff going on behind the scenes too - Eg she was offered two QCs specialising in this kind of defence for free by the Aussie govt, but she refused, instead electing to use Ron Bashir's (who is a proven dodgy guy) lawyer. If you want to see the kind of crazy thinking behind the support of Corby, go to www.schapellecorby.com.au. visit the forum.

As far as i'm concerned, the punishment doesnt fit the crime, but everyone knows the Indos are tough on drugs, and there is zero evidence that shows evidence of innocence, and she was caught with 4.1 kilos of drugs on her in bali. The only way you can think she is innocent is to swallow the argument that there was a bunch of coincidences in a row that contributed to the lack of evidence of innocence. Personally given that she has family contacts in indonesia, and that she's been involved with dodgy work before in Japan, if theres circumstancial evidence to be swallowed, its damning rather than supporting her case.

also The Bali Bomber guy wasnt convicted for bombing the bars, he was convicted for a minor crime that was related. Its not like they gave him 2 years for killing 180 people, thats a common misperception.


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Posted:I dont think she did it...how can you come to an airport and go to a non-compulsary bag cheack, open an unlocked body board bag and say "ooops, i forgot that was there"

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Posted:I have not followed it thoroughly and therefore will not pass any judgement on whether she is innocent or not ...

but

I find it truely disgusting that there is so much coverage of this case when so many people are wrongfully trialed in so many places for much more noble reasons such as fighting for freedom or justice...

I am well aware that this has nothing to do with shappelle s case... i also do think that any person who suffers is sad, yet i just feel somewhat repulsed by the media chosing this case over many others not because she is innocent or guilty but because it will "sell" well...

I wish Aung san su ki or so many other people who really could use media coverage and support would "sell" better...

do you know what i mean ?

As for the boycotting of bali.... I am also really not impressed and can only send much love and respect to the amazing Balinese people who, after the bombing have suffered sooo much from lack of tourism... i wish them well and good business... because even in rough times, they have truely impressed me with their kindness and warmth,

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Posted:yeah and what about the twisted individuals who rang Charities asking for their tsunami donations back...I mean come on! who are you punishing? sometimes I wonder about Australians... shrug

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Posted:It's not fair to punish all of Indonesia on something that they had nothing to do with...it's not their fault that their judicial system is so horrid....

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Posted:the media is a function of profit, thats why they call it an industry....

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Posted:This story muchly reminds me of one of my favourite films called Midnight Express, if anyone hasnt seen it its an amazing film based ona true story where William Hayes, an american, was caught smuggling a bit of Hashish on a plane in Turkey, he was a one time offender trying to make a bit of money back home with some friends and it all went horribly wrong. Obivously its his own fault for doing the stupid thing of drug smuggling, but thats not the point of the story, first he gets 3 years but then the Turks in order to make an example on the day of his release tell him they've changed the sentence to life, which in a Turkish jail must be hell.

I'm sure Indonesia cant be much better.

The point in this is I believe these countries really should look on their sentencing laws. I dont see the logic in sentencing someone for life in prisonment for drugs when murderers and rapists can get off much lighter. thats the true crime. At the very least she shoudl be allowed to do her sentence at a jail in Austraila

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Posted:She is so lucky usely it's the death sentence or life (until death comes over there not 25 years like other countries) .
And how come the bali bomber get only 2 years for a minor thing ? .

There makeing a example of her . So i wonder whats going to happen to the bali 9 now ?.

Why would you smuggle drugs into a drug capitol ?


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Posted:hmm... havent really read this thread, so if am repeating stuff, I am sorry.

She may not have been found guilty, however, apparently a large part of the Indonesian law is possession, so even if it isnt hers, she is guilty, according to some laws...

And, to make matters worse, have you guys heard about the Indonesian Embassy in Australia being sent the Biological agent???


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Posted:yes they said it could be potentially harmfull ?. Meaning they need to do more testing .

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Posted:I read something very interesting in the paper today... If people are willing to boycott Bali because of what happened to Schapelle, are the pot smokers willing to boycott smoking pot because of the situation?

It makes as much sense.


Plus the nutter who sent the powder to the indonesian embassy has harmed her appeal hugely. They have made it ten times harder for the poor thing.


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Posted:Personally. I think shes guilty. But twenty years is a bit heavy

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Posted:well apparently the bioagent isnt harmful...

A large part of Australian law is posession too. No one has any hard evidence that shows that she didnt do it, and she was caught in possession of the drugs when caught in bali. also - there were 4 indonesian customs officers that said she tried to prevent them inspecting her bags, and that was a major part of the evidence that the judges went on. So much of the 'peoples defence' of corby is simply bullsh*t thinking.

australian weed is apparently of a much higher quality than indonesian stuff, and there is a ready market in Australians in Bali willing to pay aussie prices for the good stuff.

Her only defence is that much of the evidence that could prove her innocence has by co-incidence failed to materialise. If you ask me, she is in with ron Bakir, who is bank rolling the whole thing, and it was all set up. How else could so many of the safeguards fail to be operating? Its far more likely they were all 'taken care of' by insiders than that they all happened to be switched off / broken on the day she went through. Organised crime using planes to ship drugs around? we KNOW that happens. The chances of Security failsafes being switched off or broken in 3 airports (Brisbane, Sydney and Denpasar) on the same day someone happens to have drugs mistakenly put in their bag? very unlikely. Id put my money on the organised crime bet anyday. Also - imagine how much trouble the bungling baggage handlers would have got in for misplacing 4.1 kilos of weed? Theyd probly be looking at Cement Shoes for something like that. I dont believe they would make a mistake like that very often. So in all you are looking at at least 5 highly unlikely occurences happenning on the same day if you think she is innocent. A bit like winning lotto, but in reverse. and even more unlikely cuz any one of them NOT stuffing up would have proven her innocence. How many longshots are you willing to believe when there is a far more plausible story looking you in the face.

Of course, perhaps it was just an amazing series of conincidences and she is innocent. But if I were the judge, I wouldnt be giving her the benefit of the doubt. Especially considering she was caught with 4.1kilos of weed with no plausible story to show innocence in a country which is well-known to be tough on drugs...


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Posted:Thanks for that Pyrolific. That my theory on it exactly. i just didnt have time to write all that out.

There are a lot of people out there supporting corby by Default.
Because she is australian and pretty.

I just look at all the evidense i have been able to find and have formed my own opinion that she is guilty.

But in retrospect.
According to indonesian law...... wether she knew the drugs were in her bag or not is irrelevant. if you have the drugs on your possession even if you dont know it your guilty.

Kinda like even if you arent aware of a law it doesnt mean your not guilty of breaking it.

So really she was never EVER going to be found innocent no matter what was going to happen.


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Posted:Written by: DoktorSkell

According to indonesian law...... wether she knew the drugs were in her bag or not is irrelevant. if you have the drugs on your possession even if you dont know it your guilty.





Indonesian Law? If you were caught at any customs point, or for that matter by the cops at all, at almost anywhere in the world with drugs, you would be charged, and probably found guilty. The excuse 'someone else put it there' is hardly unique. If i was found with 4 kg of pot in my car boot, id have trouble getting out of it.
The entire thing of 'innocent til found guilty' doesnt really apply - she was found with drugs in her possession - she needed to be proved innocent. From the cold hard legal perspective thats how it goes.


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Posted:The point i was trying to make is that if you have 4Kilo of pot in your car trunk Dentrassi. If you can prove that you didnt know it was there. You would be found innocent.

I am saying that this isnt the same in Indonesia. They dont care if you know its there or not. if you are carrying it. you are guilty


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Posted:the problem is doktor skell, there is no evidence to show her innocence. and she was caught in posession. there is also 4 customs officials that said she tried to prevent them inspecting her bag. Now that would be damning evidence here too. In that case (both here and in Indonesia) she would be and was found guilty. Just cuz she might have gotten off on procedural errors (eg finger prints and missing weight evidence etc) doesnt mean she isnt guilty. Here in Adelaide we have a lawyer who recently ran down a cyclist and killed him while drink driving. He didnt stop and kept driving and there was even witnesses that saw him do it. Well he got off with a $3k fine. Anyone other than a top lawyer or a politician would be in jail. Fair? our system is a joke.

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Posted:I think its a rish which if your going to be stupid enough to do it then you have to be ready to accept the consequences of your actions and respect another countries laws too.

I think its right what one of you said how the big fuss i think is people are feeling sorry for her since she's a young pretty woman, lets face it, if it was a tattood skin head guy wiht 6 teeth missing people wouldnt kick up much of a fuss would they, i doubt it'd even be in the papers!

A question i put to you is, if she stays in jail ie no appeal, do you think at the least they should ship her home to Oz to do her sentence?


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Posted:My question is how could you smuggle drugs out of a country to start with through customs thats do there job ?.
And don't they have drug sniffer dogs in australia cheeking every deportation ?.


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Posted:Written by: Puk

My question is how could you smuggle drugs out of a country to start with through customs thats do there job ?.
And don't they have drug sniffer dogs in australia cheeking every deportation ?.



what if it was the baggage people or the customs people who PUT the drugs there? They would be able to get around that stuff. Thats what the uproar is over this whole case.


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