"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
Written by: onewheeldave
I do feel that marijuana use is helping to prolong the incidence of tobacco addiction; in that there's plenty of people who would have been unlikely to smoke cigarettes, who get addicted by smoking spliffs with tobacco in.
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
It is our fantasies that make us real. Without our fantasies we're just a blank monkey' - Terry Pratchett
Written by: duballstar
good point birgit but i know a lot of people that end up smoking fags as a result of starting to smoke spliffs so it is kind of a starting drug in terms of starting nicotine addiction....
"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
(G.W. Dahlquist)
Owner of Dragosani's left half
Because ActiveAngel sounds like a feminine deodorant
Like sex, I'm much more interesting in real life than online.
'Be the change you want to see in the world around you' - Ghandi
"For once there was an unknown land, full of strange flowers and subtle perfumes,
a land of which it is joy of all joys to dream, a land where all things are perfect and poisonous."
"Put out the torches! Hide the moon! Hide the stars!"
ture na sig
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Whilst acknowledging that money is undoubtedly a factor as well; the fact remains that once something has become firmly entrenched as socially normal 'banning' is not as straightforward or practical.
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
Written by: stone
I think the most serious gateway drug is alcohol
It is our fantasies that make us real. Without our fantasies we're just a blank monkey' - Terry Pratchett
Written by: Stone
Dave, you suggest a combination of education and legislation. The anti-smoking groups have has a huge impact with their anti-smoking campaign ads, so why do you still see the need for legislation? And what do you mean by legislation? Would you use legislative power for good or for evil?
Would you decriminalise pot?
Legalise pot cookies to prevent smoking diseases?
Legalise naltrerxone implants, to get people off heroin?
Legalise drug testing at raves to reduce odâs?
Legalise drug-testing kits?
Support heroin trials? (Which were stopped when the US Gov threatened to place an embargo on Australian opium.)
Support other new approaches to an old problem?
OR
Would you just increasse the penalties?
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
Love is the law.
Written by: coleman
pubs are public places specifically designated to use drugs (alcohol and to a lesser extent, nicotine) in a recreational manner - that is what they are there for.
if you should be allowed to smoke anywhere at all in public, it should be in pubs.
i think the pub landlords should be left free to decide what legal activities they permit on their premises.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
Written by: coleman
an analogy to show how a ban on smoking in pubs infringes uopn rather than protects our personal liberties is: if i never use a car for personal transport, why should i be made to breathe pollution all day in the city that i work in?
why is my health sacrificed just so someone else can get from a to b in their mercedes rather than using the tube?
is this not an infringement on my 'right to breathe clean air' and just as such, equally as worthy of banning as smoking in public?
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
"is optimism in austria just a lack of information?"
-Alfred Dorfer
My mind not only wanders, it sometimes leaves completely
Love is the law.
Written by: onewheeldave
Conversly, as an ex-smoker, I find myself deeply resenting the current pub situation in Britain, and do feel myself to be excluded because of the presence of distressing amounts of smoke in pubs.
My mind not only wanders, it sometimes leaves completely
"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
(G.W. Dahlquist)
Owner of Dragosani's left half
"is optimism in austria just a lack of information?"
-Alfred Dorfer
"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
(G.W. Dahlquist)
Owner of Dragosani's left half
"is optimism in austria just a lack of information?"
-Alfred Dorfer
"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
(G.W. Dahlquist)
Owner of Dragosani's left half
Written by: onewheeldave
If you feel so strongly about it then get to work- post your opinions on discussion forums, or start up a campaign etc.
I'm not going to disagree with what you've said; personally it's not a cause I'm up for supporting because I feel more strongly about the smoking issue, and prefer to spend time working on that.
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
Written by: Birgit
I was assuming that if you wanted a seat kept while smoking you'd be sitting next to someone you wanted to spend time with (which is what I usually do when in the pub with friends). If you don't have friends, take your drink outside with the cig, then just sit wherever when you get back in (or leave your coat on your chair. Also a tactic that's generally successful).
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
(G.W. Dahlquist)
Owner of Dragosani's left half
"is optimism in austria just a lack of information?"
-Alfred Dorfer
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
(G.W. Dahlquist)
Owner of Dragosani's left half
Written by: Konsti
...theres a risk of ur drink being unattended...
...so do u want most of the pub lounging outside in the streets...
please dont tell me that there is no inconvenience created for smokers...
Written by: coleman
would you argue that having groups of drunk people periodically coming out to stand and smoke outside pubs (which are very often in residential areas) is a good thing?
people that do not even wish to use the pub will have to deal more often with the noise and unrest that having groups of alcohol drinkers on the street creates.
and you must be a very trusting person if leaving your coat unattended in a busy pub seems like a good idea to you!
"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!