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Zauberdach


Zauberdach

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Posted:Ok magic mushrooms are finally being all out banned as a CLASS A drug along with Crack and Heroin:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4105883.stm
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While it is perfectly legal to rig votes in the UK:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4410743.stm
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hmmm.... Politicians have the time to make Mushrooms illegal but not to sort out making election rigging illegal.

What do you think, I think I've just become a little more cynical umm


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ImmortalAngel
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Posted:Seems like they've got their priorities straight -.-

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Zauberdach


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Posted:biggrin

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linden rathen
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Posted:the only problem with your comment is election rigging IS illegal and the people doing it where caught. im just curious to see if the government learns anything and stops the postal votes

also found it amusing to see that they will try to stop people selling fresh magic 'shrooms cant see the point because it will just be forced underground and become a LOT more dangerous with people trying to pick their own and possibly poisoning themselves instead.


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UCOF
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Posted:frown

Ive been chatting about this all day on the Glastonbury website..

The law will be in effect before glastonbury, so no one will be out selling mushrooms there round the stone circle.


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Spanner
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Posted:I didn't know mushrooms were class A.
Whoops biggrin

In a way I can see why they are, grouped with other hallocinogens, but I doubt the risk of addiction is anywhere near that of cocaine or heroin, or even class Bs.

As for postal votes, I might have to vote that way in the general election as I've recently moved house and therefore couldn't register at my new address in time to be counted for this election. I'm going to look into just turning up and providing proof of the last address I was registered at though, because this case doesn't exactly reassure me that a postal vote would end up where it's supposed to go...


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dream
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Posted:'so no one will be out selling mushrooms there round the stone circle.'

just like no one there will be selling anything else which is illegal


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UCOF
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Posted:they will be chased by the police...

while the weed sellers sit there stoned smiling sweetly

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Zauberdach


Zauberdach

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Posted:Written by: linden_rathen

the only problem with your comment is election rigging IS illegal and the people doing it where caught.



I shall quote the article above about the legality of vote rigging:

Written by: bbc

The Birmingham Labour leader, Sir Albert Bore, wrote to Mr Blair saying: "At present, in relation to the handling of postal ballot papers, the law is so general that almost anything is legal."

There is a striking example of that. The ballot papers seized by the police from the warehouse were handed over to election officials, who decided they had no reason to reject them and included them in the count.

The judge commented to the Returning Officer that her function was nil.

"If something seems wrong with the postal ballot papers," he said, "you have no powers or resources to ferret around to see if the votes are legitimate."




So yeah it seems that while technically vote rigging is "bad" it isn't actually illegal. While technically mushrooms were "bad" while they weren't actually illegal. The government had the time to fix the mushrooms but not the vote rigging.


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fluffy napalm fairy


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Posted:I live in Brum.
And there's a mushroom shop outside uni ubbloco

better make the most of it hey?................... especially as my postal vote's going to be stolen.


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Kat
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Posted:Shite..better get ordering some stocks then, as I want to have a nice day trip on the day my exams end....

Boo, hiss, stone a politican!


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Zauberdach


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Posted:I like the way sh*te isn't a censored word... I wonder what else escaped?

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Mistress_Maledicti


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Posted:Written by: fluffy napalm fairy

I live in Brum. And there's a mushroom shop outside uni
better make the most of it hey?...especially as my postal vote's going to be stolen.

I work at the Uni, just give your postal vote to me and I'll fill it in for you! *g*

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.oO*Sprout*Oo.
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Posted:This law was passed here in Denmark a few years ago.. Quite silly in my opinion-as they grow right outside our doors hehe
I tink by forbidding them they attracted more of the "wrong" people's attention, mabe even curiosity..It passed after a kid on mushrooms went loony and killed an old lady. The whole issue of teenagers and mushrooms were blown up big time in the media, and all the politicians went off their shoes to make this prohibition as fast as possible .. It's my impression that after then, it's even more common to see kids from all kinds of subcultures using psychedelics, when it used to be only a part of certain groups' life..


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Hubert_Cumberdale
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Posted:This reminds me, I must go shopping in Camden smile

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*GingerAmy*


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Posted:Me and my friend Siy bought some from Herman's in Manchester a while ago and they told us they were going to be made class A, so we should stock up in advance... I say we all buy growing kits and grow our own!

Does this mean the same for truffles? Will they be illegal? Anyone know?


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Posted:ubblol at jon...

yes amy... but as you've already mentioned you'll still be able to buy grow kits which are cheap easy and provide for plentiful shrooms! smile only trouble is those lovely non-cubensis hawaiin are gonna get rare as they aren't easy to grow. on the flipside though we may see a return in the availbility of liberty caps and certain other hallucinogens which seem to have got a bit scarce during this whole mushroom bonanza phase... not that i'd ever ingest any kind of naturally occuring plant which the government told me not to, cos that'd be wrong, irresponsible and just plain uncivilised... ubbangel


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Gelfling
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Posted:Does anyone know if Salvia d is still legal?

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The Tea Fairy
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Posted:As far as I know Salvia Divinorum is still legal biggrin, think it's mainly because less people have heard about it and there's been less of a craze... mind you, now shrooms are facing legislation god only knows what will come next.

Mushrooms illegal? Surely grow kits will be made illegal too if this is so... *rushes to find books on spore-prints and shroom-farming*

' This reminds me, I must go shopping in Camden '

Might see you there, Mark!

I haven't taken shrooms for over a year now, that way they stay special to me. Last time I was so happy, everything was beautiful and it was like pilling but more real. I've seen so many people lose themselves and find themselves again with the help of this fungus, it truly is a teacher for the soul. My boyfriend used to be hooked on Coke really badly, he nearly destroyed his life but a revelation whilst tripping saved him (it really did save him, I doubt he'd be alive today if he hadn't took those shrooms and had that experience, although it was unpleasant for him at the time.)


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Posted:ARRGGGGGHHHHHH stupid politicians

why can't the governement let us make informed choices about what we want to do.

people can choose to ruin their life with alcohol so why oh why do they seem to think that we shouldn't be allowed to have some fun with naturally occuring drugs such as musshies and weed.

This makes me so angry

angry angry angry angry angry angry angry angry mad angry mad


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tripologist


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Posted:mad2 So they're making another thing that grows out of the ground illegal?

I think I'm going to cry frown

The government should have no right to tell us what we can and can't intoxicate our own bodies with as long as we don't harm anyone else.

This is all going to work out badly for the government, people will grow they're own mushrooms, people will sell these mushrooms, and their illegality will have a moth/flame like relationship to younger young rebelious teens.


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linden rathen
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Posted:because they have a duty to protect the public :P

also its harder to get taxes out of an intoxicated person

i suppose its also because if addictive substances more potent than nicotine were available then the people who distributed those would have a hell of a lot of power - not so true with natural drugs but say LSD which needs to be made in a lab - if a company made a highly addictive drug and had the patent rights to it they'd have a massive amount of power over the people who took it.


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tripologist


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Posted:LSD isn't addictive.

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onewheeldave
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Posted:Written by: starpoi




people can choose to ruin their life with alcohol so why oh why do they seem to think that we shouldn't be allowed to have some fun with naturally occuring drugs such as musshies and weed.







I don't think anyone chose to ruin their life with alcohol (or with tobacco which probably ruins far more lives).



It's the nature of many drugs that, by the time obvious damage is starting to occur, the ability to make choices and objective judgements concerning use is also seriously impaired.



It's easy to attach to the hypocrisy of alcohol and nicotine being legal while other drugs, generally considered less harmful; are banned.



But, it seems to me, that a ban on alcohol and nicotine is, at this time, not feasible- due to the degree to which they are (unfortunately) embedded into our culture/economy.



Maybe it's some comfort to those pained by the apparent hypocrisy, that, if alcohol or nicotine were newly discovered drugs, they would be banned on the same grounds that other drugs are.



I don't care one way or the other if mushrooms, or any other drug, are legal or illegal; I just find it very sad that many of the people in our culture are so ill-at-ease with their place in this world, that they feel the need to use this stuff (whether it be alcohol, weed, nicotine, mushrooms or whatever).



Sadder still, that of those who do experiement or choose to use them, a fair minority will end up with seriously damaged lives.


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Domino
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Posted:umm -- There a worrying point about election rigging yet most of the conversation is about mushrooms....

Give me a lever long enough and a place to stand and I can beat the world into submission.

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tripologist


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Posted:Written by: onewheeldave


I don't care one way or the other if mushrooms, or any other drug, are legal or illegal; I just find it very sad that many of the people in our culture are so ill-at-ease with their place in this world, that they feel the need to use this stuff (whether it be alcohol, weed, nicotine, mushrooms or whatever).

Sadder still, that of those who do experiement or choose to use them, a fair minority will end up with seriously damaged lives.





Have you ever considered the fact that people do these things because they are at ease with their place in this world?

Life is experience, and drugs are just another thing to experience; it shouldn't be up to someone so far removed as Tony Blair from the scene to tell people what they can and can't ingest.

As long as you maintain a high degree of control, and keep it, there shouldn't be a problem at all. You'd be suprised at how many do actually keep control. Outsiders see the words "I'm in control" as the first stage of addiction, this is still true, but it doesn't go to the next stage for everyone.


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onewheeldave
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Posted:Just my judgement from years of using drugs myself, and my (hopefully) objective observations of others who use drugs (by drugs I'm talking about acohol, weed, tobacco, LSD, mushrooms etc, etc).

There are plenty of people who do keep it within limits, and don't end up destroying their lives.

Then again, there's a substantial minority who can't seem to control it, and do end up (maybe twenty years down the line) fairly messed up.

My honest opinion, from what I've seen, is that people who are happy, and content with their place in life, do not use drugs.

There's plenty of people who believe that they are content, and believe that they use drugs to enhance their experience.

My opinion is that they are, in the majority of cases, mistaken i.e. they take drugs to make up for what they perceive as a void within.

To many, that will sound incredibly arrogant. But I've seen a lot of stuff to do with drugs over a lot of years and I've seen both sides of it.

In short, IMO, I'm in a position where I can make some kind of objective judgement.

And that judgement isn't me saying that drugs are bad, or that they should be illegal, it's me saying that, IMO, drugs are taken in an attempt to cover up, or fill, a lack of something.

And that people who actually take drugs, are not in the best postion to understand or make sense of the reasons they do so.

I can say with almost 100% certainty, that an individual who regularly uses drugs, will, if they move to a drug free-life, not only find that life to be as good as before, but considerably better.

(I'm not here talking about abstaining/attempting to quit; rather about becoming fully free of the need to use them i.e. having a very good understanding of the reasons they took drugs in the first place).


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Gelfling
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Posted:Dave - don't worry this doesn't sound arrogant at all, if anything it shows a great deal of objective thinking. You've presented what you perceive to be the facts without telling people what they should or shouldn't do i.e. you accept that people should make their own choices if people made choices based on balanced research more often than the world would be a better place - ever thought about running for government - I'd vote for you.

>What do you think about the state of the Earth?
>I'm optimistic.
>So why do you look so sad?
>I'm not sure that my optimism is justified.

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Posted:ditto

Better than the mud slinging career politicians we have today...

Public Servants... Pah!


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pricklyleaf
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Posted:Written by: linden_rathen

it will just be forced underground and become a LOT more dangerous with people trying to pick their own and possibly poisoning themselves instead.



Magic mushrooms ARE poisoness! thats why they have the effect on you they do! (just thought I'd point that one out!)


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pricklyleaf
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Posted:Written by: onewheeldave



My honest opinion, from what I've seen, is that people who are happy, and content with their place in life, do not use drugs.





I agree totally, I think drugs create a different reality, that if your comfortable with the world, you don't want or need. I rarely even drink as I want to experience the full reality of life and I feel drugs can actually limit this. But thats just my opinion


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