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Posted: 7th Apr 2005
tulips all the way, especially in bud

Been toying with these since Falmouth, i find butterly flowers easier to go into from half spins (my avatar).

Also the whole turning parallel flowers is getting there (same direction) just need more sun so i can use the shadow to practice my lines!

As for others, i guess fishtail carry flowers are possible

MCP?

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Posted: 7th Apr 2005
wtf? what is a fishtail carry flower? surely flowers can't have carries in them - or can they?

With pixie sticks I do butterfly flowers and f/w and rev weave flowers (which should be parallel but aren't) or should they? hmm......... antispin is going to take a while.......

aren't all the poi variations poss. with doubles?

Geologists do it in the dirt................

Posted: 7th Apr 2005
when you turn a fish tail fluff you "carry" over the top or bottom high or low - like when the arms do a flower high and low

just me using the term carry as esencially thats what your doing with the staff



get with it eh

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Posted: 7th Apr 2005
I can do butterfly flowers, and alternate time parralel flowers, both inelegantly, but butterfly ones look nicer even when done badly...

(With doubles obviously) The butterfly ones are more interesting cos they be harder.

I'm not sure about flowers with sticks yet, it annoys me that with poi flowers, the poi always stay on the outside, but with sticks, a figure of eight has to be done to keep em spinning.

Haven't tried windmill flowers yet, nor have I found out if they look like flowers, or just crazy circle things.

Antispin: Haven't tried yet, but do know that (normal - non-contact) longarm, doubles butterfly antispin is possible. (Not a flower though, yet)

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Posted: 7th Apr 2005
because your becoming god like with your staffs!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted: 7th Apr 2005
yeah but their not fishtails anymore then are they

i've got a nice wheel plane flower but i dont think you can do it with long sticks as it has to pass under your arm.

start with on stick in forwards fig 8 wheel plane

on the down swing use a low reverse double spin to bring it under your arm pit and circle the arm back and up over your head back into for Fig 8. makes a nice big continious circle.

rinse and repeat.

twice if your doing it with two sticks

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Posted: 7th Apr 2005
oh ok - not 'carry' as in clubs/poi...... ....

butterfly flowers.................... me love muchly - favourite tiny doubles move......

Geologists do it in the dirt................

Posted: 8th Apr 2005
How do u do flowers with a staff?!? or do u need doubles?



And is wheel plane the same as busssaw plane? Or is it the "front" wall pane?
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Posted: 8th Apr 2005
Wheel plane is what happens when you stick your arm straight out from your shoulder. That doesnt help at all does it.

Wall plane is what happens when you stand in front of a wall. Wheel plane is the other one.

Wait, your right. its the buzzsaw plane. But a buzzsaw is only one wheel. like unicycle or one of those weird cars.

Now would any of you fancy flower folk explain what a butterfly flower is?

also

f/w and rev weave flowers?

and

alternate time parralel flowers?

unt

turning parallel flowers?

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Posted: 8th Apr 2005
hey ado-p



i thought you were a man of wisdom and knowlege of the flower



Butterfly flowers:



are when you one are circle clockwise and the other ciclres anticlockwise, the arms meet at 12 and 6 olclock



Weave Flowers:



not 100% on this one as i would say its the same as parrelel flowers, but basicall your arms draw big circles in the same direction execpt they are always opposite eachother - ie. 12 and 6 - 9 and 3, 7 and 1 etc. (picture clock face and you will get it).



The thing with these is that when doing this move with doubles you can keep the sticks paralel all the time (bloody hard to keep perfect)



I find that doing these slowly helps loads, when my hands reach 1 and 7 oclock the staffs should be drawing a straight line diagonally from 1 to 7............



turning parallel flowers:



These are basically the above with turns, you can turn at anytime during a flower motion but i find it easier to turn when your arms ar one hig one low - like 1 and 7 above



After reading the above you must appreciate that its early, im half asleep, flowers are a new thing to me and i like clocks

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Posted: 8th Apr 2005
Yes, but what about all the other folk who only know flowers as one of those poi things.. or worse, colorfull plants......

So a butterfly flower is in front wall plane with both arms making big circles away from each other? no extra beats or fancy stuff?

Weave flowers? Wheel plane? I dont see where the weave is? Maybe like a giant weave with poi? This is pretty much what i described above i think except im adding an extra beat on each side.

I'm trying for turning parrallelllllll flowers. keeping them even is a pain and i find it easier with long sticks. Maybe because they go slower and i can see more of the stick. Im also trying to add in extra beats with low double spins on this . This changes the timing all odd but i think there is something there.

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Posted: 8th Apr 2005
i think you could be right, extra beats are possible just confusing....... i find that keeping the staffs parralel is easier if i concentrate on my thumbs, because in theory if they are going the smae way then the sticks should be roughly straight

Still i think flowery doubles should be part of the Uberstaff workshop fun


Infact im going to go suggest it now!

**wanders off**

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Posted: 8th Apr 2005
i do the thumb thing too. expeshily for one beats.

though i use my index finger for fig 8's

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Posted: 8th Apr 2005

Written by: strugz

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Still i think flowery doubles should be part of the Uberstaff workshop fun

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Totally agree Strugz

just my 2 euro cents about planes & flowa
you can move circles
1- in 2 parallel planes (front & btb for instance) , or
2- in the same plane

1. here I see two possibilities:
each staff is always in the same plane, e.g. basic side plane flowa
the staves swap planes at each 1/2 turn , e.g. wall-plane flowa with crossers (opposite shoulder, opposite hip)

2. these is to deal with pirouette turn (btb wall plane, or front side plane ...)

I'm doing extra circles (when a position/line is locked-out) using finger manipulation

Posted: 8th Apr 2005
Nice one Olive

Starting to make a bit more sense to me now.

Flower Power for Uberstaff!!!!

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Posted: 8th Apr 2005
cheers mate:)

I have not talked about buzzsaw plane, as I'm not using short-staff, which makes it pretty dangerous:
but I can fancy buzzsaw flowa with short staves, or inside planes (between head and raised arm, or between hip & downswinged arm)